o, i didnt see Andy's responses to my long "essay". His post wasnt blue
. Heres my responses
.
Quote: "Weapons are meant to do a whole lot of destruction. "
yes, thats my point. If you give an irresponsible country weapons, what do you think theyll do?
Quote: "Many people who where privy to the discussions in the administration at that time have said that the administration wanted to annex Iraq and felt that 911 was a great opportunity to do so.
"
I dont understand why people think that we actually wanted to make Iraq part of America lol. We are training up their own people so they can function by themselves. The US isnt trying to get anymore territory than it already has
.
Quote: "Of course the intelligence was ´faulty. The administration only wanted to hear about WMD's in Iraq, even if it came from the most unreliable sources they could find. As long as the sources said that Iraq had WMD's, they couldn't care less.
"
Why would they want to hear about them? Once again that brings us to the point that Bush drew the conclusion from intelligence given to him, so it wasnt his fault.
Quote: "The great thing about politics supported by the worlds most expensive military, is that you can do pretty much anything and you won't have to worry about consequences, because the blame can always be put on someone else."
Who's blaming someone else? And who are they blaming?
Quote: "Well, the prisoners in Abu-Ghraib, Gitmo and the general population of Iraq may not agree with that."
Once again, this is an isolated incident and cannot be substituted for all of Iraq. The general population of Iraq is glad we freed them.
Quote: "I've seen you refer to this before and there are several problems with it. "
I dont recall ever referencing to it on here before...
Also this story was told to me by someone who saw the video, i didnt see the video, so everything may not be completely correct.
Quote: "That's called a burqa and is rarely used in Iraq. It is extensively used in Afghanistan however.
"
Ok, thanks, i couldnt remember its name
. It may have been in Afghanistan then...once again, i was told this story 2nd hand
Quote: "Iraq never had religious police, neither did Iraq have Hijab or Burqa imposed by law.
"
ok, sry, it was probably Afghanistan...
Quote: "then out of sheer cultural ignorance you assumed that this happens in all countries where there are muslims. Then you felt that this could be used to justify the US invasion of Iraq.
"
No, it wasnt cultural ignorance, i didnt assume i got the two mixed up. Please dont assume that im cultural ignorant. I never felt that this would justify the US invasion of Iraq, but my point was the persecution that was going on.
Quote: "Actually they can't. Before, the police enforced a strict anti religious policy in Iraq, which meant that any attempt to excersize sharia would be severely punished."
OK, they still dont have freedom of religion, of any religion, although it is a Islamic country, and therefore would wearing religious clothes not be considered excersizing your religion?
Quote: "The reality today is that women cannot leave their homes without being accompanied by a male family member."
That was the reality before the war. Today they can leave their homes, still possibly to be killed by the remaining Islamic extremist. Also you say that a woman cant leave without her husband, isnt this part of Islamic law? Making it a religious exercise?
Quote: "Those same armies are patrolling in front of schools and academic institutions refusing to let women enter, because their local islamic clerics believe that women should not go to school."
Ohh, this is what i love...First you say...
Quote: "the police enforced a strict anti religious policy in Iraq,"
but then you say:
Quote: "because their local islamic clerics believe that women should not go to school.[/"
Women are now allowed to go to school but it used to be illegal.
Quote: "My conclusion is that you are deliberately lying."
dont accuse me of deliberately lying.
Quote: "The plight of Iraqi and for that matter Afghan women have been covered extensively in the west, so when you say 'Now they can walk freely around without their hoods and nets and long sleeves on."
Yes it has been covered actually, who are you to make that statement? Do you even live in the US? I say that they can freely walk around because its not illegal anymore and its not legal to beat them to death. It still happens because of insurgents and Islamic extremists.
Quote: "It supported and sponsored Al-quaida and the whole Afghani mujahedin movement. "
We never supported a terrorist group. We may have supported what they were doing, because at the time it was not terrorism, but overthrowing a dictatorship.
Quote: "The US is killing more civilian iraqis than terrorists, it's just so easy to call them terrorists."
No they arent. Your adding in the amount of civilian deaths by car bombs, insurgents, and Islamic extremists to the count. Iraqi's are very very rarely killed purposefully by US soldiers.
Quote: "You mean spending millions on US companies charging hundreds of times what local iraqi contracters ask for, hiring mostly foreign workers.
"
I dont know what your talking about. Im talking about our giving them food, healthcare, water, and basic neccessities. Havent you ever seen videos of the people standing in the back of the army truck trying to hand out things to the tons of Iraqi's just trying to get some of it?
Quote: "But there is virtually no law-enforcement in Iraq. The only thing resembling law enforcement is the local clerics, their private armies and their reliance on sharia."
Actually yes there is. Havent you seen the training of Iraqi police by Americans? Havent you heard the reports from a casualty count include the title "Iraqi Policemen"? Havent you seen the police cars now? Havent you seen that the Iraqi Policemen are now taking over from the US soldiers?
Quote: ">If America didnt think he was doing a good job, why was he
>elected...twice?
He wasn't!
>Are you saying he didnt actually "win" either of those elections?
>What do you base this on?
The CEO of Diebold virtually guranteed that he would win, well in advance of the actual election. Computerized voting based on proprietary systems and software is unreliable and easy to tamper with."
Then why is he president?...Once again, the losers holding a grudge come up with excuses to rationalize.
Quote: "The US is killing Iraqis faster than Saddam Hussein ever did. If that constitutes life saving, I am guessing that most iraqis and most americans would rather be without."
Your right, we are killing Iraqi's...the extremist and terrorists.
Quote: "The US estimates that upwards of 250,000 people have been unlawfully killed in Iraq during the Saddam Hussein reign. NGO's estimate upwards of 500,000 dead. Apparently you decided to make up a number.
"
No, ive taken it from what ive read and seen on TV.
Quote: ">allowed for normal people to be treated humanly
-Abu-Ghraib!
-local warlords
-islamic clerics cutting off hands, lashing people and stoning them to death.
"
1) How many times do i have to say it...an isolated incident doesnt substitute for the entire war.
2) The local warlords are being tracked down and killed/captured.
3) That was before the war, that doesnt happen anymore, legally at least.
Quote: "-The US is in control of internal security.
-The IMF is in control of the fiscal and economic policy.
-The 'government' is subject to US reles made by Paul Bremmer
-Internal issues are subject to US rules by Paul Bremmer"
The US is in control, because Iraqi's cant take control, they arent strong enough yet. Same thing on economics. I dont know what your talking about with Paul Bremmer.
Quote: "The US already knew about the killings. Remember that the US helped start the iraqi WMD programme, helped Iraq in the war against Iran, and didn't mind people dieing, as long as they were communists, socialists, democrats etc. "
Where did u get that? We didnt help Iraq start a war. If we wanted a war, we would have let them invade Kuwait in the early 90's
Ill respond more later, but i g2g now.
Video games…they take you places unreachable, unfeasible. Putting you in the book...putting you in the movie...putting you in a world, that before could only be imagined. expage.com/piratesmainpage.
