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3 Dimensional Chat / Katana (Japanese Sword) please comment

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Matt G
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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 00:44
[img=http://img227.echo.cx/img227/825/katana18sd.th.jpg]
[img=http://img54.echo.cx/img54/6654/katana26zb.th.jpg]
[img=http://img205.echo.cx/img205/7788/katana33vc.jpg]

The sword itself is about 850 polygons and the scabbard is about 80.
Modelled in 3D canvas, textures in photoshop.
It took about a day or so...

I'm pretty new to modeling so would appreciate people's thoughts on the model, ways to improve etc.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 01:26
it looks good - could you upload the wireframe of it?

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 03:19
very nice, i like it. new to modelling you say? pfft, show off

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 09:13 Edited at: 15th Jun 2005 09:14
New to modelling maybe, but not to texturing! Well done my friend.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 11:32
@STALKER: Yeah new to modelling but I did graphics in school so I know photoshop really well

@IanG Surreal Studio: Sure here's the wireframe:


here's the untextured smoothshading (can see the detail better):


and just fixing up the hrefs on the old pics cause the didn't come out as thumbnails:




BTW, if anyone can upload this to host it e-mail me cause I want to make the model freeware, but you can't repackage and sell it.

I've being dying to make a samurai dueling sought of game, primary based around the katana, but I suck at programming and don't have the time. So if I can't maybee someone out there will use my model and get inspired or something

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 17:57
Wow your very talented if your new to modelling thats great.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 18:14
@The admiral: thanks, I did say pretty new to modeling, not like I just opened 3D canvas for the first time and did this.

I just learnt how to use the extrude and lathe tools and i've finished all the basic modelling tutorials in the help files, and I've done about 4-5 other models I'm kinda proud of. I think the hardest part about modeling is trying to keep it low poly and still look good.

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 20:45
pretty sweet, I want one, my dad says when you're 18 (Only 2 years to wait now ) , the legal age to own one, so all I'm allowed to play with is Nunchuku, Bo's(Japanese staff) and the Bokken(Wooden Katana)

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Posted: 15th Jun 2005 23:26
Im staring at 3 blades right now on top of my bookshelf that all look very much like what Matt made. Though the scabbards on mine look a litter prettier I think. Its got a kind of tortoise shell look.

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 00:17
well some people are more lucky, well

here is a good place to get Japanese weapons

http://www.blitzsport.com

Their authentic hand made in japan samurai swords sell about £400, assuming they still sell em

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 00:36
That texture is beautiful!
I recall seeing a set of 3 katanas on a stand with scabbards for about £200. Likewise, I have two years to wait before I can get them!

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 00:42
well the regualar weapons on blitz are quite cheap, includes Katana, Wakizashi and Tanto.
Here is list of the stuff they got from memory
Authentic hand made imported swords
Katanas
Wakizashi's
Tantos
Bo's (I got a white oak one, light and fast)
Bokken's (I got a white oak one, same weight as a Katana)
Kama
wooden Kama
Ninja swords
Tai Chi sword
Chinese broadsword
Nunchukus (wooden, foam, plastic and metal, I got wooden and foam)

pretty sweet

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 00:45
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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 19:39 Edited at: 16th Jun 2005 19:43
Lol, this is the closest I'll ever get to owning one. I'm 18 but I live in Australia where all weapons are illegal unless you have an ultra hard to get license.

Again I state: anyone who wants the model + textures just email me...

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 20:37
Not even a display weapon, thats not sharp?

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 21:45
Not even any object that could be considered a weapon, or is just in the same shape and of similar size if made out of similar materials. It's basically because if you own a display sword there is nothing stopping you from sharpening it yourself, or someone else stealing it and making it into a weapon.

Yep, Australia is pretty strick on weapon laws.

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Hey, better safe than sorry. It is probably a good thing.

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 21:51
Yeah, how much I want to own a katana is outwieghed by how much I don't want to get stabbed.

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Posted: 16th Jun 2005 23:46
great work! the modeling isn't revolutionary but the texture is sweet!

e-mail it to me at admin@hellmutharts.com and i'll upload it for you

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Posted: 17th Jun 2005 00:57
I guess legalising weapons is based on trust, so why did USA legalise them? Mosy guns owners there aren't trust worthy, big mistake. I guess the strict laws are a good thing, UK is pretty strict about it too, but you are allowed Katana's, air rifle etc.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 01:15 Edited at: 18th Jun 2005 01:16
@Peter_: I emailed it to you. When/if you upload it paste the link here so other ppl can get it.

Thanks to everyone who commented/posted!

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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 05:00 Edited at: 18th Jun 2005 05:01
Matt, that is a sexy sword. Crazy good work.

Quote: " pretty sweet, I want one, my dad says when you're 18 (Only 2 years to wait now ) , the legal age to own one, so all I'm allowed to play with is Nunchuku, Bo's(Japanese staff) and the Bokken(Wooden Katana)"


It's perfectly legal to train with one in my martial arts dojo (Age 16+) but if you are to take it home to train with, it must be in a special case (also makes people think it's just a flute) and if you draw it in public, your ass is arrested.

Again, amazing texture work Matt.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 07:42 Edited at: 18th Jun 2005 07:44
uploaded

http://www.hellmutharts.com/downloads/katana.zip

again, really nice texture on that cloth handle...and the metal bit at the bottom of the handle

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@ Megaton, the nearest dojo's for Kendo are in main cambridge and Stevenage, the only weapons I train with at karate is the bo and the knife, my sensei said he might start on nunchaku for us higher grades. Me and my dad learn what we can from Kendo from a book, I told my sensei I wanted to start it for real but he said the best thing to do is wait until I become black belt before starting a new martial art. So all the playing with the Bokken can only be kept at home for now

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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 08:51 Edited at: 18th Jun 2005 08:51
That's a shame, especially if it isn't included as part of your Martial Art.

The one I practise includes the usual hand-to-hand as well as the Bokken, Tanto and Jo. Although we spar and practise with the bokken, the samurai sword (Which is actually what Matt's looks like...more then katana ) it strictly for solo practise. Anyway, we shouldn't jack Matt's thread, it would just be better to maybe start a seperate thread asking what Martial Arts people here practise.

Sorry about that Matt.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 09:25
I;m sure the katana is for solo practice, can't go cutting each other up


I like the sparring in the way of the samurai for PS2, you just cut the hell out of a 100 people lol, and the survive lol, only if real life worked that way

I'm not far off blackbelt, so I can start kendo soon, just hope traffic isn't bad for going to Cambridge or Stevenage, the motorways in England are hell for traffic lol, but not too bad when we got training Karate with John Van Weenan, 8th dan trained by Kanazawa, pretty awesome instructor....Although he thinks it funny to try and embarriss people....like me...
well what he did was asked me to go infront of the whole class (about 25 black belts and 7 other brown belts watching) to do a simple punch, then he roled up my sleeve to see how straight or bent my arm is, he see's a lil bit writing, he couldn't resist to pretend to read it and call out Geri Haliwell, evil lil sod lol......But its wasn't don't worry lol


And that was completely irrelevant

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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 09:36 Edited at: 4th Aug 2005 19:30
Very random.


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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 13:54 Edited at: 18th Jun 2005 14:02
Thanks about worrying about my thread getting hijacked Megaton Cat, but it's ok because now I'm going to give an almighty rant:

Uh, it is a katana,
Quote: ""The Daisho, a pair of swords that only the samurai were permitted to carry, consisted of the long sword (katana) and a short sword (wazikashi). The katana was typically 40" long and had a curved single edged blade.""
- From straight out of my butt. Anyway it is still true because I learnt that in my ancient Japan history class.

Kendo is the sport of sword fighting.
- Kendo frequently employs scoring techniques that are contradictory to the correct way of attacking an armoured opponent. For example chest as opposed to kidneys, head as opposed to throat.
- Kendo uses bound bamboo as a practice sword, which is much lighter and permits unrealistic strikes.

Kenjutsu is the art of war with the sword.
- Kenjutsu teaches to strike to kill at opponent’s weak points, no points are given and sparring is not for sport.
- A heavy wooden sword is used for practice as it more closely represents the weight of a sword.

I have been training at Go-Kan-Ryu karate for 5 years and recently received 1st Kyu (Second Black Tip). Mine is a true karate style so we have learnt no weapons as Karate means ‘empty hand’. When I get my next belt (Shodan Ho - Black), I will probably take up Kenjutsu, Kendo is for sissies who want to play around with their big stick.

So I don’t care if I just offended everyone who does kendo now cause you should stop being fairies and learn Kenjutsu.

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Kendo now uses a bokken now usually rather than bamboo, because the white oak bokkens have the same weight as a Katana, for more realism.

So you're saying the book I've been studying from is actually Kenjutsu, it teaches you to kill with a single blow, and uses wooden swords..... It should've been called 'Kenjutsu guide' not 'Bokken' lol

I'd say the best move is knocking the opponent of balance and striking 'em to the neck....


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Posted: 18th Jun 2005 23:08
Quote: "Not even any object that could be considered a weapon, or is just in the same shape and of similar size if made out of similar materials. It's basically because if you own a display sword there is nothing stopping you from sharpening it yourself, or someone else stealing it and making it into a weapon."


Holy crap-sticks batman...i wouldnt last 5 minutes in Australia...ive got about 6 different blades within 10 feet of me.
(Im a camper so its a machete, My strong fixed blade survival knife, and 3 wood carving knifes and my folding saw)

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Posted: 19th Jun 2005 06:04 Edited at: 19th Jun 2005 06:07
Quote: "Uh, it is a katana, "


It really doesn't matter then. "Katana" is a just Japanese word "common sword" which refers to several swords including the Samurai Sword.

I train, and was taught to call it the Samurai Sword. In movies, a katana is often reffered to an assassin's blade. (Or something "Ninjas" carry )

Quote: "Kendo is for sissies who want to play around with their big stick."


No comment.
I don't really know much about Kendo and don't exactly consider it a "Martial Art".

Quote: "I have been training at Go-Kan-Ryu karate for 5 years and recently received 1st Kyu (Second Black Tip). "


Yeah I heard it's a hard style, gj on your promotion.

Quote: "I'd say the best move is knocking the opponent of balance and striking 'em to the neck...."


I actually know the exact move you're talking about.

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From what I knew the 'assassin's blade' was simply the 'ninja to' a straight shorter version of the samurai sword.

'Katana' meant 'long sword' and by the tokugawa era the only type of long sword was the samurai sword.

The 'tachi' was a longer more curved and elegant sword yet it was heavier so It faded from use after earily Japan.

The 'no-dachi' was a very heavy 'blade' similar in appearance to the samurai sword except it was blunt, and so not considered a sword. It was used simlpy to fold an opponent and crush their bones in a single strike, armored or not.

The 'wazikashi' was a short sword primarily reserved for the seppuku ritual, though a samurai would draw it to fight if nessisary.

What other swords did the have? I've always loved japanese martial history so if you know any thats cool cause I always love learning a bit more

Thanks on the congrats Megaton Cat, it is a pretty hard style, black is like full contact without drawing blood, but I didn't break any bones in my recent grading so it must be getting soft
My uncle trains with me and the grading before last he has his face broken in three places from a single punch, and cause of the nerve damage didn't even feel it so he kept sparring

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Posted: 19th Jun 2005 19:55
I want a Habatawari (Can't remember the spelling) Means helmet crusher, nice.

They had the Tanto thats another blade the Samurai used, the nagitana is a Japanese weapon too


Quote: "1st Kyu"

Damn I'm 2nd Kyu Shotokan

Go-Kan-Ryu, is that like go-jyu-ryu because I know someone who quit our Karate because he was embarring in front of the whole association, because he was portrayed as a really good fighter in competitions who couldn't be beaten by anyone other than 6th dan or above, then in a Competition (last november), he was beaten with ease, the dude who beaten teased him during the fight by dropping his defense completely, walked to the edge of the mat, waiting for the dude to push him off, instead it was the other way round lol, seeing that was quite good, it looked more like street fighting than Karate tho. But quitting Karate for that is lil childish, being a 5th dan too.
I have a feeling the dude who was beaten works for Cinema 4D, because I saw his name crop up in the credits of the Cinema 4D team near where he is from...

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Posted: 19th Jun 2005 23:25 Edited at: 19th Jun 2005 23:28
I actually never seen a Martial Arts competition in person. Must be cool. (My school doesn't attend them, although we did have masters from England and Japan visit)

Quote: "but I didn't break any bones in my recent grading so it must be getting soft "


Lucky for you!
I broke a rib in my back like the first 1-2 weeks when I just started.

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I injured my knee in a session, had to sit out for advanced lesson
and I still get aches....odd...

Martial Arts Competitions here are good because very few low grades enter, mainly us higher grades, which are fun to watch and participate in freestyle, last time I won the first round with an equal grade, second round I fought some tough guy, same grade, but I lost, then he beat my friend Birri Gomez, if I beat the dude (he left parts open I couldv'e scored with) I wouldv'e gone to fight Birri, Birri is easy in the Dojo, (Well up until recently, sudden improvement) and I wouldv'e one third place at least! Oh well, this year my master wants to get a proper team together, so we should get a trophy

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That's the stuff that confuses me about tournaments and competitions. How do you win? Are points awarded for style and variety? Do you maybe have to accomplish a certain strike to a certain area of the body? Or do you just have to beat the god-almighty crap out of your opponent untill he can no longer stand?

Again, the reason my school doesn't compete is because it's actually very hard to uh..."Fight" using my style. The majority of our training is focused on close-rang chokes & grabs that immobilize your opponent or take his balance and bring him to the ground. Kinda limited amount of strikes and actual offensive moves. (A good deal of counters and parries though. No jumping at all btw )

Again, would be really interesting to see an actual competition as you and Matt sound like really advanced students.

EDIT: Also heavy emphasis of falls & rolls. Which is kinda how I busted my rib. Pure stupidity and incompetence on my end )

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For karate competitions in sparring we have to strike a legal technique at a scoring area (head, kidneys, ribs, chest & stomach) at bring it back to where it started without the opponent blocking it. Different belt divisions have different ranges for example a punch that comes out three inches from the opponents face and returns to the hip (where it started) before the opponent can block it counts as a half point for yellow belts, the range for black belts is contact, so the punch has to come out and touch my face without drawing blood and return to the hip. Full points are awarded to killing techniques (kicks to the head, attacks the hit them in the back, undefendable techniques like sweeping them to the floor then kicking them in the stomach, they couldn't defend themselves, they die, or multiple fast unblocked techniques before the referee stops the round, like a punch in the face and stomach with each hand - full point). The first person to 3 points wins. Each round goes for three minutes, and after each scoring technique the fight is stopped points awarded and the fight resumed from the starting positions.

If you beat the crap out of an opponent till he can't stand you either get disqualified for excessive contact if your a lower belt or they lose the match because they are unable to continue if your heigher belts- either way not a good idea because if you draw blood at all you have to turn around and get on your knees, as it is shameful to see your sparing partner (who's not a real enemy) in pain - then you get disqualified if they can not stand, or can not effectivly continue.

Kata which is a set of traditional predefined moves is also a competition. Kata is scored on technique, speed, timing, strength, breathing, and basically not making any mistakes that deviate from how the kata is supposed to be performed.

I've won 5 bronze medals in state and two silver in regional tournaments but that was when i was orange-red belt, now I don't enter the tournaments cause I have to spar black and above (to like 5th dan), which always hurts like hell and I would probaly lose.

The other funny thing about Australia is I count as a registered weapon because of my level in martial arts, if I get into a fight I would be charged with possessing lethal weapons, and depending on how bad I hurt people, intent to use lethal weapons + attempted murder.

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I love sparring with black belts, and equal grades because all the lower grades, think, ahhh he's an advanced grade, better keep my eye on him, it shouldn't work like that, going up against higher grades and trying helps you improve your skills, hence I like going up against the black belts.

The competitions here are the same, except the off target area are the face and below the belt (unless its a sweep) and you're not allow to go of the ring or its a warning 2 or more warnings the opponents starts scoring half points. 3half points in normal matchs you win, in the final its 6.

We have Kata, Team Kata (Three people together, have to be in time with each other, my first year of compo, our oponents were black belts lol) Kumite(Sparring) and Team Kumite (Take in turns, not gang fighting)

As for sweeps, they're not undefendable, I always move my foot, although I have gone down before, I got a roundhouse kick as I fell, but was too late, they scored because I was too slow with the kick.


Yup Compo's are great. Megaton you should do another style of Karate as a second martial arts, like I'm gonna do with Kendo when I reach black belt. Something like Shotokan Karate or any of the Korean karate like martial arts like Tang soo do

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I don't mean sweeps are undefendable, it's once you've been swept and your lying prone on your back completly dazed is a position your unable to defend from.

I love sparring higher belts in the dojo, but in a tournament is different because you have to make contact to score = injuries. Dojo sparring is all about improving each other, tournament sparring is about defeating your foe.

BTW We have team kata and kumite as well as well as the out of the ring deal, I think that's pretty much the same across the board.

I'd agree with Seppuku Geijutsu on this one Megaton, if you already have some idea how to defend you self without weapons taking up a martial art like KENJUTSU ( kendo, what were you thinking??!!) helps complement your style, and is kick ass fun.

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Posted: 20th Jun 2005 23:23 Edited at: 20th Jun 2005 23:23
Quote: "The other funny thing about Australia is I count as a registered weapon because of my level in martial arts, if I get into a fight I would be charged with possessing lethal weapons, and depending on how bad I hurt people, intent to use lethal weapons + attempted murder."


Now that is wierd



Quote: "tournament sparring is about defeating your foe"


That's where our Martial Arts differ. I take Aikido and Iaido (Mastery of the Samurai sword: Extension to Aikido) which again, doesn't exactly put emphasis knocking your opponent sensless, and training partners whether in the dojo, sparring, or tournaments are never ever to be considered your "foe". We have a saying that goes
"conquer yourself before you conquer your enemies" which mostly means disciple and improve yourself, rather then attacking others, especially weaker then yourself.

Heh but congrats on your "Weapon status" Matt!
I don't think is something you should be bragging about though
So if I am seen walking down the street with you, will I be arrested and charged with weapon possesion?


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Quote: "So if I am seen walking down the street with you, will I be arrested and charged with weapon possesion?"


Only is you pick me up by the feet and stab someone with my head I think...

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Well from the looks of your avatar, you look like you have a very stubby sharp head...

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I got a website now yeah!!
you can download the katana from here now plue I'll be adding heaps of other models that I've have made soon:

http://www.dbgames.0nyx.com/

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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 02:52
Nice one!

What are the Diablo models? :S

Matt G
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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 03:15 Edited at: 21st Jun 2005 03:27
I haven't uploaded them yet but they are basically 3d versions of the little inventory sprites in diablo 1. I've finished 3 daggers and a morningstar.
I'll upload them very soon, stay tuned!

[EDIT]: ok I uploaded the objects_064.zip and objects_070 so download that and check it out.

There is well over one hundred of them to model but these 4 only took about 1 hour all together so i'll probally do the lot.

http://www.dbgames.0nyx.com/ - free models & textures
Megaton Cat
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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 03:29
You should make a screenshots page!

Matt G
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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 03:55
Uploaded objects_062.x

They are pretty crappy models with even worse textures but I'm going for quantity of quality on this one

Yeah I will make a screenshots page but it's 4 am here and i've been putting this website together all night, screenshots included in version 2.0

http://www.dbgames.0nyx.com/ - free models & textures
Megaton Cat
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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 04:43
Quote: "I'm going for quantity over quality"


That's er...not a very good goal to set for your self...
lol

Keaz
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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 05:03 Edited at: 21st Jun 2005 05:06
AS far as the no sword Australia, what about hollow unsharpened replicas, as they can not be sharpen (yes, because they hollow and too thin). They do look like the real thing, but aren't going to kill anyone. I know they sell them in Okinawa and you don't need any permits for them anywhere in the U.S. By the way excellent model.

Breaking Stuff=Fun!,Bug Testing<>Fun!, Bug Testing=Breaking Stuff, so...
Bug Testing=Fun! Hmmmm....
DOES NOT COMPUTE! SYSTEM MALFUNTION!
Peter H
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Posted: 21st Jun 2005 11:06
did anybody notice that i uploaded the katana?

"We make the worst games in the universe."

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