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Benjamin
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Quote: "Detain and question every known terrorist"

I think the problem is that these terrorists aren't 'known'.


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@Mouse -

I don't honestly think you can just shutdown terrorism. Even if we kill down all the organizations, leaders etc... there will always be the radicals who will fight for their cause.

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Yeah, I know, it's like trying to shut down theft or murder. I didn't mean stop terrorism, I meant stop organized strikes like this - they require coordinated groups of people with a lot of money and a lot of time to plan. Surely there's some way to end events such as 9/11 and now this.

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I was going to say, you can never stop terrorism because there are people everywhere willing to fight for what they believe in, but Eric said it first.

The thing is, these terrorists don't care if they die, therefore you couldn't make them tell you anything.


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yea, true. what contry will be attacked next?

and bush didnt "fight back", he needed an excuse to go and invade Iraq, and he used the terorest attack on 911 to get over there, and then, well... we all know the rest. the CIA new there were no WMPs, and i bet they told bush and he ignored them.

my sympathees to all who were injured or killed and there loved ones and friends.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2005 00:31
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Quote: "the CIA new there were no WMPs"


CALM DOWN!!

I'm sure they have atleast one computer with windows media player in Iraq!

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7 Explosions, 3 Confirmed on Tubes, 1 Double Decker Bus...
over 30 people are now confirmed dead.

over 200 ppl are confirmed injured, and atleast another 200 are confirmed trapped.

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Quote: "and bush didnt "fight back", he needed an excuse to go and invade Iraq. the CIA new there were no WMPs, and i bet they told bush and he ignored them."


I wasn't talking about Iraq, I was talking about the (pathetically small) activity in Afganistan, where bin Laden is actually hiding right now (probably). It's very little, but it's better than anyone else has done.

Quote: "I'm sure they have atleast one computer with windows media player in Iraq!"




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Quote: "I'm sure they have atleast one computer with windows media player in Iraq"


thats Weapons of Mass Destruction, dude!

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Posted: 8th Jul 2005 00:35
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Weapons of Mass Destruction are WMD's.

You said WMP's.

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And who are the idiots that supply these terrorists with weapons? I think have firearms is completely wrong because that means any one can get hold of them....ie terrorists, this world is going downhill, if someone doesn't stop these terrorists (that includes our world leaders, most of them including Blair and Bush are terrorist leaders are terrorists) and well the world will fall aparts, with Nukes as weapons that would mean fall apart literally. Killing people is just sadistic, and plane cowardly

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9/11 and this event didn't require any firearms whatsoever to go through with. As if it had to be any more obvious that the gun control debate was completely irrelevant to modern terrorism.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2005 00:37 Edited at: 8th Jul 2005 00:37
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to true, to true

did i put WMPs? damn, i'm lazy

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Windows media player, weapons of mass distruction.....the differance is? Windows itself causes mass destruction, some people are bald because of windows, Bill Gates is pure evil.


Holy f*** 30 dead, when I last looked they said at least 10 at kings cross, I still think people should prepare for the worst, bloody terrorist ba****ds!

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someones gotta do it, i guess. its what makes this world go round, for now.

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well okay, guns have nothing to do with it, but its so easy to get hold of bombs, a lot of them were sold by Americans over in america, if they are stopped, then as long as they don't make their own, terrorism will eventually die out

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it will never go away.

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Quote: "but its so easy to get hold of bombs, a lot of them were sold by Americans over in america"


That's one of the most obscene pieces of misinformation... get your facts straight, kid. The kind of bombs set off in London today could be made by any high school kid with materials purchased from a drug store. If you're talking about Iran-Contra, those were warheads being sold, not pipe bombs.

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well, true it won't, its better than none of it going away, only if explosives were never discovered/invented.

The best way to stop terrorist attacks is not to annoy the terrorists (or train them or put them into power, I'm not going to use that countries name, too obvious) you see these terrorists haven't attacked France, Germany, Korea, China or Japan have they? Because unlike England and America they keep their noses out of it and don't try to police the world, and well these are the concequences we face for our government, which is why I want to set up my own political party to work good for england, even if it never gains power over england

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President Bush made a very good statement about what happened.
On one hand you have people (UK, US, RUSSIA, JAPAN ETC..) trying to slove the aids and poverty problems, trying to save lives, help the environment, and then you have this other group whom I will not name (you know who im talking about)killing people for no reason. Bottom line, group two is the real scum of the earth. They can throw all their brainwashed ideas at us and make us the bad guys, but if they had an ounce of intelligence, they would know how ####### stupid they are. Now since the european stock market has been hit badly, all those other nations might start caring about terrorism. Even if they do start now, I still have no respect for them.

These attacks could not have been planned and set up over night, UNLESS an established group with pre made bombs and members carreid out the attacks. I also think this wasnt by a middle eastern based terror group, because they would have blown them selves up. These people had sense enough not to kill them selves. Its wasnt a random car bombing, they were well planned and executed bombings.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2005 01:00
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Quote: "then you have this other group whom I will not name (you know who im talking about)killing people for no reason."


They have reasons which in their beliefs justifies what they do. Saying they have no reason is stupid. Like that book over there, book is stupid.

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Why do you think they live in sand huts and we live in big wooden and brick homes with tv's and everything else? Because we are smarter, more advanced and most importantly, NOT BRAIN WASHED!!!

I can say what I want, and I will say what I want. Its called freedom of speech. The absence of freedom of speech in much of the middle east is what creates these bombers.

And once again, they have no reason.

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oh right, my bad, I was thinking of black market bombs over in america. I was to sure on what bombs were used

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It is damn sad that people would rather blame their leaders for events like this than the people that actually commit the crime. So, blame it on Bush. Blame it on Blair. But remember, Bush was barely in office when 9/11 happened. That attack had nothing to do with Bush's policy or agenda. It also happened BEFORE the war in Iraq (whether you believe that war is justified or not).
Political decisions are ALWAYS a game of the lesser of two evils. Every time you help someone, you piss someone else off. If you choose to help no one, you piss everyone off. Allies are much harder to find than enemies.

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Quote: "Why do you think they live in sand huts and we live in big wooden and brick homes with tv's and everything else? Because we are smarter, more advanced and most importantly, NOT BRAIN WASHED!!!"


No, we have more money and a more civilized system. Where do you get your facts from?

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Im wrong, it was a middle eastern group.

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Quote: "No, we have more money and a more civilized system. Where do you get your facts from?"


Rofl are you serious dude?
What a great schooling system they have in the middle east right?
Everyone there gets to go to a uni and graduates!!!!
I get my facts from using common sense.

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Well said WOLF.

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WTF? Where did I mention school in my sentence? I suppose you get your facts from the same place you learned to analyze what you are reading too?

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Eric, you said I was wrong. I said stuff about them not being educated.
Thats where I got that from.

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No, I said you were wrong in the following sentences:

"Why do you think they live in sand huts and we live in big wooden and brick homes with tv's and everything else? Because we are smarter, more advanced and most importantly, NOT BRAIN WASHED!!!"

And I said, your wrong making justifications like that when I doubt you have ever talked to one person from that region. Logic escapes this one.

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I blame both leaders and terrorists, leaders p*** them off badly by attack their country and killing their people, and its the terrorist's fault for killing innocent people as well, as said earlier one man terrorist is another's freedom fighter, our leaders look like freedom fighters to us and terrorists to them, we do what they do to us, they're as bad as each other, doesn't any one ever realise killing is completely wrong?

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I blame leaders for this attack.


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i blame the terrorists that done it.

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`fraid not eric.

Where do people get smart? The go to school.
What happens in many middle eastern schools? They get brainwashed.
I have talked to a lot of people from there, and some of them im friends with, others are morons.

Here lets put this into a way you might be able to under stand.

ManyMiddleEasternSchools[0] = Bad;
ManyMiddleEasternSchools[1] = BrainWash;

If ((ManyMiddleEasternSchools[0] == Bad) && (ManyMiddleEasternSchools[1] == BrainWash))
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I blame money.

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well spotted!!

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This is terrible for London and everyone... Im just thankful my uncle doesnt work there anymore (thank god for BBC moved his offices to Birmingham...)

This shows that we seriously need to take a look at our security measures... But like other people said, It was only a matter of time before this happened...


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i think you will find that middle eastern contries have cities too. and western contries have slums aswell. And people will do any thing for a bit of cash remeber that stupid bum fighting.

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Bum Fighting is a far cry from bombing metros.

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Quote: "Where do people get smart? The go to school."


Your just full of generalizations aren't you?

Quote: "What happens in many middle eastern schools? They get brainwashed."


Lets sing us a song:

Nathan the generaliztiono...

nevermind.

Quote: "I have talked to a lot of people from there, and some of them im friends with, others are morons."


I agree some are morons, but that kinda contradicts what you said a few posts up.

You should change your name to the Generalizationiz0r though, your really good at it.

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And find me where I said ALL middle eastern schools, cities, nations and people? You cant. GG.

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people are soo effing greedy! Why don't these effing murderers learn their lesson and understand killing is WRONG, that applies to our leaders too, if our leaders are sooooooooo christian then why do they send people to kill and die, thats KILLING thou shalt not kill!!!!!

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Shut Up. This post doesnt need to be brought into a flamewar!

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im not saying it was some bums, im saying it was some people with little or no money who think we have waged war on there religion and they might have money it might just be about there religion i was just pointing out people will go to extreams

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Its un avoidable.
Its a perfect example of whats happening.

There are those of us who side on the western side, and those who side with the terrorists (cough cough)

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"Why do you think they live in sand huts and we live in big wooden and brick homes with tv's and everything else? Because we are smarter, more advanced and most importantly, NOT BRAIN WASHED!!!""


Need some help analyzing?

Note this part:

Because we are smarter, more advanced and most importantly, NOT BRAIN WASHED!!!

Oh so I side with the terrorists? Damn... you caught me. Not even the US military background check could catch that (they give background checks to all family members of Navy Nuclear Technicians, which my brother recently became).

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I do not see a single word that would indicate I mean all of them.

You said you side with terrorists, not me.

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Some People Never Shut Up. Arguing over petty things which aren't really that important. People have died yet you continue to argue over things. Those people who died can't argue any more, they're gone. Want to argue then do it someplace else

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Quote: "You said you side with terrorists, not me.
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Where? Then again, considering your Awesome analytical(sp?) skills, i'm sure i said it somewhere. Just like when I talked about schools.

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