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Merranvo
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She isn't 9...
You aren't 9...

Any logical person can understand my graphs... Why the "Riddler" can't is beyond me.

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The painfull fact is that neither of you have a girlfriend to shake hands with.

Is that the answer to the riddle?


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Leys... that is the weirdest proof... it makes no sense, you basically ASSUMED that you are x and got that answer. WHY are you X. WHY aren't you 3?

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Quote: "But how do you know that you didn't know everyone at the party except the person with 9 shakes? What if YOU are the one that shook only one hand?"


look at my post above, process of elimination. start with person that made 9 shakes shook all hands, person with 8, shook all but the person with 1 shake, as the person with one shake already shook with the person that had nine shakes...just keep eliminating like this and you will come up with my results.

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Megatron... you don't even know what this is about. OBVIOUSLY it is beyond your mental capacity.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:30 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 13:31
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Quote: "Leys... that is the weirdest proof... it makes no sense, you basically ASSUMED that you are x and got that answer. WHY are you X. WHY aren't you 3?"


You are person x, because i said so. that's why. Trust me, i asked the "riddler" and he say's thats correct. Not sure how to explain that part, or even if i can, but it's correct, and i have been saying this for a while. So if it takes all your strenght, just "assume" you are person "x" as...YOU ARE!"

So now that we have established you are person "x", how would we finish solving which one of the (1,2,4) is your girlfriend?

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Merranvo is right, where is your logic that you're NOT the person that shook 8 hands. You shook everyone's hand except yourself and your girlfriends. Maybe you didn't know anybody!

But heck, since we don't know how many people you know, MAYBE you know 3 people, and then, since you don't shake your hand, nor your girlfriends, you're suddenly the person that shook 5 hands.

But, wait, MAYBE you knew 8 people, you didn't shake your gf's hand, nor your own, SO YOU SHOOK NO ONES HAND!

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Quote: "You and your girlfriend go to a party. There are 10 people at the party."


You shook noones hands cause you left since the party sucked...with only 10 people...

Ok seriously...its anything 8 and under...i dont see how there could be any more logic...to decide who knew whom...

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let me make this clear. YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE NUMBER 1-9, your girlfriend IS one of those numbers. Maybe this wasn't mentioned and the riddler was wrong, but now it is corrected.

YOU ARE PERSON "X", NOT INCLUDED IN THE 1-9

so where can we take it from herE?

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5 more posts and ill lock this thread so wrap it up now kids.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:34 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 13:53
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she isn't 1 (almost granted), she isn't 3. (Given)

She is 2. or 4.

Great Izzy... Next Time edit your reply. And DON'T POST about editing your reply. Number 4.

I wonder... what happens if you move the numbers around?

Eddie = MEAN PERSON OF THE MONTH

DON'T POST... EDIT YOUR REPLYS...AND DON'T POST NOW

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hahahaha, one post down... Only 4 more to go... CAN YOU FIGURE IT OUT?

Just kidding, but really, I still don't get your logic Leys.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:36 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 13:52
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Quote: "You and your girlfriend go to a party. There are 10 people at the party. You tell everyone at the party to shake hands with anyone they don't know(including yourself). Everyone but you said how many hands they shook. one shook 9hands, one shook 8hands,..7,6,5,4,3,2,1. From this information, you can figure out how many hands your girlfriend shook."


There, i have corrected the riddle, forget the original one, we now have the correct one. How do we solve?

Quote: " 5 more posts and ill lock this thread so wrap it up now kids."

I don't see what's wrong with discussion....

well, your off on the riddleR. AGAIN, the riddler is NOT a TGC user, back to the riddle...

Ok, the "riddler" has just given me the answer all though i didn't want it , but we still have to find the logic behind it. If you want the answer, let me know...but i still want to find the logic.

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@Merranvo, good idea, let's stop posting and start editing our replies...

Oops, hope that wasn't #5!!!

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Or you could all just meet in IRC under #riddle

Who am i...i don't know anymore...its been a long time since ive walked here...
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I will leaave it be then, carry on with the nonsense

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What is the answer? It is easyer to find the logic if you work backward.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:55 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 13:57
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the answer is
but how can we come to that? I have found a way to narrow it down to 1-4, but how do we go any further?

Quote: " I will leaave it be then, carry on with the nonsense"

Your awesome man but you did scare me, i didn't want to keep editing my posts for ages

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 14:00 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 14:01
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This is the only thing I could think of... but it assumes that the "Riddler" made a misstake, and that the girlfreind is X.

I say ask the Riddler to give you the logic. I don't think he has any propper logic to get to that answer. (you can almost always eliminate 1 though)

What I was trying to do was move the numbers around... They are fixed... I can't see any other graph but the one I posted above.

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This problem cannot be solved, your riddler is smoking the wanging choade.

There are ten people at the party shaking hands with people they don't know. One person shook hands with 9 people because he cannot shake himself, another with 8, 7, etc.
Here is how it works out with that pattern (x1-10 being the people, number after "-" being the number of shakes):

x1-9
x2-8
x3-7
x4-6
x5-5
x6-4
x7-3
x8-2
x9-1
x10-0

Person number 10 cannot have shaken hands with nobody, because person number 1 shook hands with 9 people and cannot have shaken hands with himself.

Tell your Riddler to get off pot.

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the "riddler" has clearly stated that you are "x" and your girlfriend IS NOT "x". He clearly states the riddle is in perfect condition and there is perfect logic behind it. He also states he will not give the logic to me, he will simply acknowledge that the logic is correct, if it is.

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Where does "x" come from? "X" in my table merely serves as a label to separate people from number of shakes.

Unless Riddler is talking about number of shakes, meaning

yourShakes==x && gFShakes !=x

Which all the more validates my theory.

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Quote: "x10-0"


well we are person 10 or "x", but you fail to realize, the "pattern" is non-existant. 2 people can know the same person, etc... we do not know how many hands "x" shook at first, but if you follow the proofs:

Quote: "
Person with 9shakes - shakes hands of all

Person with 8shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1 shake

Person with 7shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1 and 2 shakes

Person with 6shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1,2, and 3 shakes

Person with 5shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1,2,3 and 4 shakes

Person with 4shakes - shakes hands with person with 9,8,7, and 6 shakes

Person with 3shakes - shakes hands with person with 9,8, and 7 shakes

Person with 2shakes - shakes hands with person with 9 and 8 shakes

person with 1 shake - shakes hands with person with 9 shakes.

if you count the "shakes with all", there are 5, thus meaning person x(me) shook hands with 5 people.

the only people person "x" did NOT shake hands with would be 1,2,3, or 4.

We have been told that "3" is wrong, thus leaving my girlfriend as the one who made 1,2, or 4 shakes. and this is what i found with my crazy mixed lines picture."


we have found that "x" has shaken hands with "5" people. There is no "pattern" per say, multiple people shake hands with many others. get it? Sorry if you don't, but im bad at explaining things. I don't feel that we shall ever figure it out at this rate as every attempt leads to "unsolveable", so if I ever DO figure it out, I will post it...but it doesn't appear that we have the intelligence to do so right now. If need be, i will beat the "riddler" within an inch of his life, until he gives me the logic, then i will post it here. But i assure you, there IS logic behind it, and it IS solveable.

Quote: " Where does "x" come from? "


"X" is "you" from the riddle, as had been said many times in this thread.

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I sincerely don't think there IS any logic behind it.

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YOU are 8. and you did not shake hands with 4. This is the only way to get any answer if X is not held



Logic is incredibly flawed. But it get's the answer.




Better yet... number 9 is a conjoined twin. And her other half was in a coma and just woke up.

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I haven't checked that Merranvo's works, but if it does then Riddler is, as I have theorized before, on pot.

You have clearly stated that there are 10 people at the party, You or X is somewhere between peoples number 1-10, or 0-9 if you want to be nerdy. You have also stated that your girlfriend (let's call her Y), is also somewhere between peoples number 1-10, but of course is not the same person as X.

By saying there is no pattern you are contradicting the riddle itself:

Quote: "You and your girlfriend go to a party. There are 10 people at the party. You tell everyone at the party to shake hands with anyone they don't know(including yourself). Now one shook 9hands, one shook 8hands,..7,6,5,4,3,2,1. From this information, you can figure out how many hands your girlfriend shook."



I am not talking about solving the problem, I am saying that either you improperly delivered the information and Riddler failed to recognize, or Riddler is simply on pot.

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I will pay 250
to those who figure out how you get 4 from this riddle.

Quote: "You and your girlfriend go to a party. There are 10 people at the party. You tell everyone at the party to shake hands with anyone they don't know(including yourself). Everyone but you said how many hands they shook. one shook 9hands, one shook 8hands,..7,6,5,4,3,2,1. From this information, you can figure out how many hands your girlfriend shook."


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Quote: "Quote: "You and your girlfriend go to a party. There are 10 people at the party. You tell everyone at the party to shake hands with anyone they don't know(including yourself). Everyone but you said how many hands they shook. one shook 9hands, one shook 8hands,..7,6,5,4,3,2,1. From this information, you can figure out how many hands your girlfriend shook."

There, i have corrected the riddle, forget the original one, we now have the correct one. How do we solve?"


Read that version, i have already said the original was a bit flawed, and it was a mistake. The one above is not flawed. How do we find the answer for that one?

For those who STILL think it's unsolveable, let me once again assure you that you are wrong. If it's beyond your scope of thinking it does not mean that its not solveable, even if you can't see any logical way for it to be correct, it just mean...you can't find the logic...doesn't mean that it's not there.

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you don't...

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Look if the riddler doesnt just tell us im gonna call batman...

Who am i...i don't know anymore...its been a long time since ive walked here...
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Ok, i have a feeling this will never be solved at this rate, but I will figure it out no matter what it takes over the next few days(yes im obsessed) and if no one has figured it out by then, i will post my findings(even if they come from killing the "riddler").

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I'll bring the Pistol
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AK-47
Shotgun
Grenades
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Alien Weapons from Roswell.
Man Eating Mutants from Goverment Research.

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The little "but you" cleared it up rather nicely.

So X (you) shook hands with 0 people. But there were still 10 people at the party including X.

It would be most helpful if the Riddler would join and post here, because I frankly think he's bs'ing you and is laughing watching you trying to figure it out when there is no solution.

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Merranvo is Currently Developing a Portable Nuke, which he will shove up ******.

He gave a impossible riddle because you CAN NOT drive anything more from it besides the fact that the girl is numbers 1-4.


And X (which in the REAL riddle would be the girl) is 5

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Quote: "So X (you) shook hands with 0 people"

No, X(you) simply did not say how many hands he shook. So it could have been any number of hands. Due to process of elimination i have found that X(you) has shaken 5 hands, which i posted earlier.

Quote: "It would be most helpful if the Riddler would join and post here, because I frankly think he's bs'ing you and is laughing watching you trying to figure it out when there is no solution."


Well currently the "riddler" is sleeping, lol. He is in the same house as me for a few nights, but he is not bs'ing me as my cousin has also been told the riddle(and apparently how to solve it), and says its legit. Although, i suppose they both could be lying, but i doubt it. My guess is we are just thinking about it the wrong way :s

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I think the answer is 45




Solving with the claculator(TI-36X Solar)

1.Enter the total of people(10)
2.Hit the button that looks like this x<->y
3.Enter 2 (when shaking hands need two persons)
4.Hit third function, nCr
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uhm...we already have the answer.

The answer is "4", we're just at the point of trying to figure out how(which seems impossible).

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45 = total number of hand shakes


And your brother is just VERY gulible... the "Riddler" is a *censored* and will give you riddles to lure you into *censored* where he will *censored* and your mom will go hysterical and *censored* the riddler.

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I say "borrow" one of your mothers kitchen knives, pour some lemons in your eyes. Then walk up, stagger, and say "Tell me the answer, it is driving me insane" then take a small swipe at him.

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ok, we already realize everyone thinks its impossible, so if you do not have the logic/a way of solving correctly, then i would say there is no longer any need to post. Like i said, in a few days i will have gained all the knowledge to put my mind at rest, and will post it here. For now, let's just quiet ourselves down(finally) and admint we have failed at solving the riddle.

Quote: "We haven't failed... the monster that lurks within your shadows has failed. The riddle has no information that would say "I am 4""


Like i said, just because we can't figure it out, doesn't mean a solution does not exist. Just means you are not capable of figuring it out.

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We haven't failed... the monster that lurks within your shadows has failed. The riddle has no information that would prove "I am 4"

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Indi, solve this.

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If Riddler were a kind person he would impart his knowledge so that all may learn.

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There is not enough information to tell. I am also going with the riddler being on POT.

[edit] Or you are leaving out a vital clue. Small as it may be.

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This is an age old puzzle and has one vital piece of info missing. The other 8 people are 4 couples. Nowhere in your riddle does it mention this. Just Google around and this puzzle and answer is on hundreds of websites, such as:

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/56199.html

http://www.puzzle.dse.nl/logical/index_us.html#happy_handshaking


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Quote: " The other 8 people are 4 couples."


Trust me, that is a completely different puzzle. I know what you are talking about, and I can assure you this is a different riddle, without that information.

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Yes the couple information is the only way you can break it down further than 1-4. Other than that it is Impossible to be absolutely certain which of the 4 she is.

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Go figure.

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I knew this was nonsense from the get go, should of locked it earlier, never mind keep digging that proverbial hole for yourself, imagine what people think of you after this lol.

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Indi, you know something don't you.

*grabs Indi and begins shaking*

Where is it!!!


(I will PAY the riddler 400£ if he can provide a valid proof.)

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