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Geek Culture / The mystery of SWEARING!

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PiratSS
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Why do people swear?

Especially noobs, they scream at somone cuz they missed a part of code, and blame DB Team for that.

I never sworn in my life, the closest words that came out of my mouse were: sh*t and sux or suc*s

Can somone explain!
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Posted: 19th Feb 2003 20:47 Edited at: 26th Mar 2003 03:20
I think it's just a way of communication

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Posted: 19th Feb 2003 22:18
the only reason for people to swear is when other people make loads of irritating #@*& posts. LOL JK

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Raven might think that swearing is big and clever... but not everyone else does



now lets see how many people click this button

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don't know why i couldn't resist ^_^

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You should have made a button and put "PORN!" on it, and had the same link. I swear half of the users would have pushed it.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2003 02:11
lmao... i should've made a small red button - will be cool if Rich ever add support for flash, or even simple java.

i'd put up a red button to something - no one can resist the red button

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I try to limit my cussing here. I'll only cus if the jerk is asking for it. I don't think I've used the S or F one yet, however I'm in the nasty habit of saying "Frell"

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Posted: 20th Feb 2003 04:34
Heh- Ive let a couple slip in my 14 year career Most were when I was little and I didnt know better. I really never swear now, I mean, hardly at all. Just against my beliefs

I think swearing makes people sound idiotic- like they are trying to show off to people or something. You know, when everyone is F this and F that. Makes them sound dumb, you know?

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Posted: 20th Feb 2003 07:42
(^_^) i cuss on an hourly... (and when i'm using Max minute) basis

anyone remember the first time you accidentally let slip a swear infront of your parents?
i do - think i've got the brain damage to prove my father was not the most amused

i still for some reason feel really weird swearing infront of my dad too ... god knows why we don't even get on, infront of my mom its like second nature - but then again speak to my mom and you can understand where the habit comes from (^_^)

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Hehe, I'm Scottish, swearing is part of the language, I mean I swear at my mom, she swears at me - but some people only swear occasionally, I use it like any other word. The language we use is only as effective as the context we use it in. I mean when having a laugh, I'll probably swear quite a lot - but when I'm angry I don't swear very much at all, I prefer to be clear and in control when I'm giving someone an earful. That is really effective when dealing with drunken idiots, just speak to them clearly and confidently without swearing, they won't have a clue how to respond. What I don't like is people that swear in front of kids, I hate that - the boy is coy though, he asks permission to swear first!, "I can tell you a joke dad, but it's got a sweary word in it?, am I allowed?". God knows what language he uses in the playground though.


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Posted: 20th Feb 2003 15:46
lmao... i think swearing is a just part of the british culture - noticed stateside, that if you swear alot your some kinda offensive lout
though, that declines the closer to Longbeach you go

americans don't know howto swear though, its funny - its like they try to put them in there to sound cool or something ... next time you listen to one, aww they try so hard

i know its the irish roots in my family it comes from, especially the position of the swear word in the sentance...

like "pass the f***in' remote" is perfectly acceptable (^_^) - however "f***in' pass the remote" thats when you know you've played the hide the remote game too long

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a lot of words seem to have different strengths of meaning in America.

"Oh crap" here just means that's annoying / inconveniant

stateside people get quite offended.

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Posted: 20th Feb 2003 17:15
Yet they go around talking about their fannies all day :/.

Call it arrogance, but if people get offended when they hear me swear, then tough - you should hear me really offend someone!. It's like this old bat that works beside me, she'll walk into my office, and if I swear it's "Tut, Tut, language". That's usually when she gets told to "Get the fudge out if she does'nt like it". When I was a kid, my dad promised me that when I pay the rent, I can swear all I like, I'm only respecting his wishes .


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Posted: 20th Feb 2003 17:38
lmao... you know what i like (^_^) the "when you pay the bill you can do whatever you want, until then you'll live by my rules"

i pay my moms rent (^_^) but aparently it doesn't count, its still her house... damn that mommies always right rule
i'd love to set some really stupid rules, like the no drinking at home - i hated that rule
especially as mom made alot of home brew stuff, i swear the old house looks like some small villages brewary

you know now would be a cool time to find out, whats the funniest thing a friends ever done when drunk?

cause i remember one of my friends couldn't hold his drink, we had like a 3litre bottle of Strongbow or something - it was pretty weak vol cider anyways. He got piss'd as a newt of the fumes (or as good as) and then went to the toilet in a trashcan ... and i don't mean he needed to pea

we still tease him about that (^_^)

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Yeah, so much for the First Amendment in the USA. These "moral crusaders" need to lighten up a bit (personally, I don't trust any kind of crusade). Just saying dang, shoot, or sucks pisses some people off. Makes me wonder how they react to a real disaster.

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"Oh crap"
Since when do us stateside people get offended by this? I personally use things much more offending like instead of 'Oh', I usually insert 'Jesus'. For some odd reason that never turns out well at church.
In th US, people don't give a crap what you say. I can't ever seem to go a day at school without letting a few words (and/or fingers) slip to the administrators. There is, however, this one really up tight chick. She won't even say jack ass (I mean its a damn donkey, come on now), she has to say jack butt.

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To answere your question on why most people cuss, is this...

It makes a sentance sound better & more important, so it adds flavor. I cuss on a secondly basis, every 1 word for every 1-2 cuss words. I tend to hold back on forums though, not a good idea to P/O the people who make an engine, as they can ban you, you cant ban them. ^^"

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Or like the irish just use Feck instead of F**K.

That reminds me, any of you ever watch Father Ted?

Oh did know I just figured out that FCUK actually stands for French Connection United Kingdom, I just thought ... actually never worry what i thought!!

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Shadow - "It makes a sentance sound better & more important"

It does? Personally when I hear people talking like that out in public it makes me wish they'd paid more attention to English class at school and would just grow the hell up. It is an amazing sign of immaturity (mentally, not necessarily age). I'm not saying I don't swear, I do - but I check my language at the door when I leave my house.

(This is just my opinion btw, not aimed at you at all, but aimed at all those foul mouth kids on the bus/etc who think they're "it" when in fact they sound like an inbred caveman).

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Hehe Father Ted was my favourite show. I mean it was pure genius, it's like they tapped right into my sense of humour. Father Jack was the best "Feck, Drink, Gurls". Even that annoying twat Graham Norton was great in it - anyone ever see the Caravan holiday episode?. It's a great shame that the star died and the shows over.

Yep, nobody can swear like the Scots and the Irish - sorry but swearing with an English accent just sounds daft, your voices aren't rough enough .


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lol, I learned to swear when I moved over to Ireland. Of the first 20 words I learnt, nearly 15 must have been swear words
The only advantage of the Irish ppl when it comes to swearing is that because of all the swearing thats going on, they have grown a lot more tollerant, and wont explode in anger when somebody curses or calls them names.

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My first swear infront of my parents (actually parent) was the S... My dad didn't like that much, but through the power of being an A+ Student and Computer Nerd at the same time, i got past that one !

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Rose, Father Ted is the greatest show EVER! I've got a set of DVDs with all the series' on them! I especially like the episode called Lent or something and father jack sobers up for the first time in 12 years.

ARSE FECK DRINK GIRLS .... brilliant.

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Hehee... i wouldn't worry Rose, i thought for like a whole year that some company was trying to get away with just being rude - until my girl at the time yanked me into one of thier shops
don't think much of thier stuff to be honest, but then i'm not a girlie so hehee

i loved father ted, was cool (^_^)
personal favourite was the TV episode, where he had that charge for doogle with Fanstasy on oneside and Reality on the other - the TV people come and they like swap over hahaa

hey Van the swearing depends where you come from i mean if your a cockney then it sounds a little odd in rhyme ... and those with a kinda posh accent sound like they're trying to hard (kinda like the americans)
think the time i sounds right is when it isn't cause your thinking about saying it ... its like just a natural use of the word.

its not there to enhance it in anyways and think that just accentuates Rich's point - i mean the words have a meaning of sorts dont they.

its like saying the sentance "you bastard" and "YOU Bastard!" ... one way its ment like "you dog, get in there my son" (which is the southern version ) and the other its ment as in the insult
most places cept britian you can't get away with how you say it without someone getting offended.

i think the yorkshires with thier kinda farmer like accents have the best voices for swearing in the UK

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would just grow the hell up
Rich, you just used a little one, lol. But it brings up a point. Addin a curse word as an adverb or adjective is used to highlight that subject. If used in moderation, this can help your case. If you're one of those guy who belches one out every other word it makes you look bad.

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Actually, I think the real case is that cussing is whats "in" in most parts of the world. The first time I cussed at my parents, was when I was P/Oed, & it got them really mad at me & all hell broke loose. I still cuss at them today, & I could care less about them. The was I view it, is I have no family (im adopted,) & the parents I have now are just a poor substitute (adopted at age 3 weeks.)

I think what I posted just now, is what the real case is, but the way I view it, is it adds so much flavor to a conversation.

But, I do not cuss at anyone, other than in a conversation, so I dont cuss & put them down. The only ones I do that with, are my stupid parents, who do not know what is going on ever. In fact, here is an example. My mother, one day, got into a car accident, the immediatly after, within 2 weeks, she was in another.

Both the cars were giving to us by my grandmother, but she was pretty peved.

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umm i swear all the time but most ppl grow up swearing over hear i mean comon my mum and dad swear more than i do hah and im f this n f that

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It's like learning to walk as a toddler, at first as a teen it's beep beeep this beep beep that. Then you get a brown belt and start perfecting the art of swearing, by the time you are a master at swearing you no longer require it. But ya still keep it handy for those who really need a lesson.

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Lol, I read over some posts, and I couldn't stop laughing.

This guy in my school only knows like 5 words in English, and those are only swearing words. All you can make out of his talking is ...bla..bla..bla...F*..F* and so on.

I never know how he learned english like so, I mean they don't teach those words In school do they?

My theory is that swearing is the most common Virus in any culture that has direct effect on your speech.

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well, they physiological reason is stupidity. A swear is the ultimate vocabulary word. Who needs to think about what you're saying when a swear is the best, easiest interprited word to choose? I'll be damned if someone swears and someone else doesn't know what they mean. Swearing is a sign of a small vocabulary, and the inability to articulate your thoughts. But screw, it comes in handy often.

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My Aunt was explaining it the same way to her son (5'ish). Well one day a large dog ended up in her house (she has a phobia about dog), and the second she saw it out came old 'S'. Later when her husband got home her son ran up saying "mommy aint sas smart as I thought, she's dumb". She then had to explain that sometimes when your very scared or angry, you can only think of dumb words.

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I think swearing is acceptable when used in context. My son is only young but has a very large vocabulary, his english is exemplary. We let him swear in the right circumstances, like if he hurts himself, or is actually making a valid point where the word fits into the sentence better than others. We don't think its right to limit his vocabulary or knowledge, so long as he has the widom to know when it is and isn't appropriate. He will only swear at us as parents in an arguement if he truly feels we are being purposely unjust, and I think we owe him that right. He never swears to older members of our family or strangers for example, he knows its direspectful. I would say depending on who I'm talking to I swear either not at all, once or twice, or a lot. In certain areas and cultures its more or less acceptable. For example I used to live in central Gloucester, where if you didn't finish every sentence with "and s**t" you were a "fag". It kind of annoyed me tho - "Oh this morning I hung around, watched TV and s**t, then I went to the shops, bought some milk, some bread and s**t..." - in circumstances like this it can become blazay (why no accents ) and just lazy

A good case in point is Pulp Fiction. That film is incredible - but a good percentage of the atmosphere would have been lost without the swearing.

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Talking about using religion in "swearing", I have a good one:

A friend when asked by his parents why he was refusing to go to church:

"I'm an Atheist, for God's sake mum!"

Ahem!

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lol

Again, Blasphemy is only offensive to certain ppl with certain beliefs. But ppl who don't believe in God really shouldn't use it - unless they are being facitious

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To be it is just a word, it has to meaning apart from the fact that it is a name.

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only becauase it has been given that name!
for example in the states you say you want a 'faggot' they think your gay or something ... but in the UK it's kinda like meatloaf (only not quite as tasty hahaa)

but still its a form of where a word has been basterdised by a culture who believe that it is thier word to do as however they feel, which isn't right.
I can bet alot of teens who use the swearing they do, happen to do it to be cool and not because they understand the meaning of the word in the first place.

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i only swear when i am am work coz burger flipping is very stressful. problem is i have nearly been sacked twice coz customers got alittle to pushy and i lost my english dictionary of words that shouldnt not be used however being able to swear in irish is always abonus

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"but still its a form of where a word has been basterdised by a culture who believe that it is thier word to do as however they feel, which isn't right."

Isn't it? - I belive that people can plagarise words and use them as they please, after all, words are just a means of communication, and who are we to set limits on this?

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although some times there nothing better a loud swear word like when you hurt yourself for some reason you feal a hell of a lot better after shouting a few chocie words rather loud

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hehee... well i was quite surprised actually, i saw alot of ireland and the way i'd heard it portrayed was ya'll swore like as much as us English guys - but christ ya'll are pretty timid like that. Though they may have been swearing and i just couldn't understand them ... remember one night i was trapped after i came from the bar, i had my pint and this old guy started talking to me - i couldn't understand a single sodding word he was saying so i was nodding trying to get through it picking up the odd word or two.

released i get a very 'english' accent when i can't understand some bugger, i mean Rose may be able to say that like when i was with her and her mates i was kinda quiet, partly cause sometimes i couldn't understand them - other part was to stick outta some of the conversations ... lmao i kinda thought that one about 'pam' was hilarious. well anyways i'm trapped so i'm like "oki, oki... i've just gotta go over here."

the guy ended up putting his arm around me and telling me something, which was probably a joke cause he was almost pissing himself laughing ... i eventually pawned him off onto my stepdad (who wasn't happy cause the guy latched onto him the whole weekend aparently hahaa) - but through the whole time i didn't really pickup much cussing from any of ya.
compared to a nite at my ex's house, most of the irish peeps i met have saintly tounges lol

that aside though... i'd say if there is already a set meaning for a word, why confuse the rest of the word who learn a language with several meanings simply because one culture wants to be different?
i mean unlike English comming from Anglo-Latin and alot of European words, and becomming an entirely new language, American English is essentcially the identical set of words - they just differ the meanings and spellings - and to what end?
There isn't one except to confuse everyone!
The last thing i wanna do is actually get into a huge fight with some american simply because they're not speaking the same english as myself - i shouldn't have to learn a WHOLE new language syntax even though i know the original language should i?
And i don't think those who learn english should be put through the exact same things. Take Japanese for example there are 3 seperate language of that, however they're all used in a universal form where the meanings are the same - the characters used to describe are different... and sometimes a different syntax, but the actual words and language are the same!

why should it be any different for english? the language isn't used correctly most of the time anyways becuase it is a very subjective language with alot of subtext being able to be laced into a single sentace without the knowlage of others unless you know what the words could mean... pah! but i mean what do you care you're only really making the point to disagree with me.

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Posted: 25th Mar 2003 23:26
I make it a point never to swear. It really bothers me how almost every other word out of someone's mouth that I know is a curse word. Another thing that really bothers me is when I say something about something else and the person I'm talking to tries to change what I said into something about a gross or obscene part of the human body.

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Posted: 26th Mar 2003 00:44
F**k knows.

Hell, at the very least it keeps the support desk at work on their toes.

And hey, it depends how you swear. Having a laugh is not even noticeable, while swearing while, say, in the middle of a shopping precinct at the top of your voice while fighting can be too much.

Grief, at the end of the day I would rather have someone swearing in general speech (work where I do and not many sentences - from men or women - are completely swearing free, and I am a programmer), not really noticing what swear words they are using, than someone being cruel to a person without a single swear word. It's only words at the end of the day.

Cheers

Ps. Good example is these forums. In 3000 or so messages from the old 4Rum, I would be very suprised if I swore with anything worse than "hell". But then it wouldn't be proper. And I've never sworn in front of my parents (I'm 30 BTW). Yet my sister does (they rarely do in front of us). And I swear ALL the time in work (everyone does... helps relieve stress, esp. when most of us are giving up smoking right now )

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Posted: 26th Mar 2003 04:26 Edited at: 27th Mar 2003 18:23
Damn Raven your like the freaken ever-ready freaken bunny you go on and on and on.
You must write a book, Iam not kidding you do show promise and stamina.
Don't take this the wrong way I am starting to admire it. although I don't always agree.
Had to put disclaimer, didn't what to start a raven fan club God forgive.

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 26th Mar 2003 17:13
lmao... yes probably best never to support anything i say cause people tend to go off the handle i've found. (^_^)
i'm always gonna air my opinions even if they're not liked, because there's no point in ever piping down about something you feel should be said.

i mean if people agreed with my point of veiw all the time then i'd be worried, because i'd have to question if they're just agreeing because they do actually feel the same - or if they're just worried what might happens if they don't. Can't stand kiss ass people, ya know ... its like they have no backbone to speak of - can't respect someone who appear to have thier lips attached to your ass.

sometimes its good just to have someone sit back and say, "ya know i respect your opinion, but i don't agree with it"
think what fuels most of the huge replies i post with alot of anger in them is the fact that oftenly certain individuals will not post a reply to what i write, but actually just try to ripp apart what i said from the inside.
it cool to have your own opinion, but when you start ripping on people personally thats just not right... and i do the same but only once i've been attacked first ya know?

(^_^) as for the swearing, it all depends how and where you grow up. I mean you hear alot of kids now they swear aborintly all over the place, nothing to it ... but i mean they are just words at the end of the day and do have meanings, some within the dictionary, some not. I mean not doubt you can tell when you've really began to tick me off because my brain will start to blank lot more and the best multipurpose word i have in my volcabary is 'fuck'

so you know when i'm so piss'd with someone if i'll start on a sentace and its literally a fact my brain is just tearing ahead of what i can actually say - so every few words to give myself time to catch up i'll throw one in the sentance ... its not ment as an insult, its not ment to be big or clever, its just because i can't think of any other sodding word you can use at anytime within a sentance that doesn't sound out of place.

to alot of americans (atleast the age group i'm generally around) i swear alot, because they've been brought up that swearing is a bad thing and an insult. you then have the kids that use it because they think its big'n'clever ... i mean if there is no place in the conversaion for it you don't use them. See this is why i generally don't even use the word 'hell' in front of my grandparents, i mean its like a Cartoon Network daytime cartoon.
But then thats probably cause i very rarely hear them swear

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Posted: 27th Mar 2003 14:36
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Cheers

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Posted: 29th Mar 2003 17:52 Edited at: 29th Mar 2003 17:52
i dont normally swear but sometimes the words come out by themselves.

Well whatever. Even if they were to come now,
they wouldn't be able to handle me.

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