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Prof Polley
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Posted: 24th Feb 2003 17:04
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is it posible to disable direct x in darkbasic?
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Richard Davey
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Posted: 24th Feb 2003 17:07
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That's like saying "is it possible to disable the engine in my car?" - yes, you probably could somehow, but it won't be much use afterwards!!!

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Prof Polley
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Posted: 24th Feb 2003 17:15
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Well is it possible to get darkbasic to look in a different place for the files?
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Richard Davey
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For what files? DirectX is installed as part of your operating system.

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That's like saying "is it possible to disable the engine in my car?" - yes, you probably could somehow, but it won't be much use afterwards!!!

In fact, I'm also interested in this question. I once made a little 2d games that only used commands with wich you draw curves and create bitmaps... I gues I don't need DirectX for that but my game does require DirectX and a 3d graphics accelerator... When it should be possible to disable this it wouldn't be any longer necessary for people to have a 3d accelerator to play my stupid 2d game...
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Richard Davey
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DirectX controls all graphical operations (and more - input, music, sound, etc) - not just the 3D. You don't just turn off part of it I'm afraid. If all you need is basic 2D support for old graphics cards I'd use DarkBASIC classic. It will still need DirectX but at least only version 7 where all the sprites are real sprites and not 3D, etc.

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QuothTheRaven
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I dont think polley actually understands his own question...

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Shadow Robert
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Posted: 25th Feb 2003 03:07
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somehow i don't either...
if you use DarkBasic Standard/Enhanced, and stick to only the 2D commands in theory you shouldn't require a 3D Acelerator as it still uses DirectDraw seperate.

However DarkBasic inilitised the entire DirectX library, not just the sections you use - if you require a different system to DirectX or just plain 2D, there are many alternative languages ... includeing C which is relatively simple to use for Basic 2D needs
And isn't greatly different in how you use it either, for just basic things.

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However DarkBasic inilitised the entire DirectX library, not just the sections you use

that's another disadvantage... when you make a simple program that prints 'hello world' and you compile it, it will be about 1.7MB... Ok, I know you should better make such programs in other languages but it still is something very stupid I think. Why including stuff that isn't needed?
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MrTAToad
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The size is due to the fact that all the debug code is currently compiled in with the program. DirectX programs can be large or very small - for example my SelectGraphicCodeAndMode library uses DX8.1, and is around 140K...

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MattIsFun
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Isn't there a command in DB to turn on software emulation, and then you wouldn't need 3D card?

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MrTAToad
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Software emulation is usually done either in your program or through DX...

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Shadow Robert
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Toad does note a good point ... C++ Application are either very Large or very Small.

Good example is Ciyanna Notepad i made a while back.
Debug version was 350kb excluding libraries
Retail version was 42kb excluding libraries

DarkBasic simply packs everything it requires in at once, try to remember that this is an interpreter program unlike DarkBasic Professional (however there are a few of us who have the same beefs with Professional)

You can turn on Software Emulation, however the emulation requires an engine to run ... and DBS let DirectX handle this as it has it built-in (^_^)

personally i don't care that .exe's start at 1.50mb
because you zip them up and they become 650kb

and after that they don't exactly grow greatly in size - i mean you add 2,000 lines of code they'll grow by like 0.20mb and that still compresses down damn'd small

so i don't see the problem

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