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Stevie
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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 02:52
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We have just launched our new Cartoon Fantasy Theme Pack. The pack contains an assortment of fun looking buildings in a fantasy styled cartoon theme. Some of the buildings are posted here.
As well as the buildings, the pack also contains 5 music tracks, 4 sky cubes, and trees

http://www.arteria-gaming.com/cartoonfantasy.html

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WOW! Very nice!

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 10:06
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lets take the TGC number 9 bus downtown to the 3d section.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 18:06
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Why is this in the 3D forum? this should have stayed where it was. because if adverts have to be here than all of the stuff in the FPSC forums should move here as well.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 18:17
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Why has my post been redirected to here? Does this mean everyone else who posts on the game creators forums re 3d from now on, gets moved here?

People who would be interested in buying this pack certainly wouldnt be looking here in this forum, as this forum is generally for 3d talk and people who model themselves.

Please move this post, back to where it was originally posted, so the general public can see it.

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I hope this pack is of better quality than the last ones. I was not impressed, nor would I pay money for it.

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I moved it because, I believe it was more of a 3d article then anything.
I think its worthy of a sticky in 3d for a while if you like.

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Quote: "I hope this pack is of better quality than the last ones. I was not impressed, nor would I pay money for it."


These models are very nice. Here is video http://www.arteria-gaming.com/cartoonlevel.wmv


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the last packs were full of unwelded and random vertices strewn everywhere, as well as the interiors hardly finished.

Talk to megatonf or some screenshots.

And of course they're going to make it look good on their website... When you pay money for something you need to look closer than the obvious.

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I like the idea of putting the castle on a tree stump; fresh idea.


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I think oddmind got ripped of at some point in time

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Oh my God.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2006 16:19 Edited at: 15th Nov 2006 16:40
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Quote: "I think oddmind got ripped of at some point in time"

He is not the only one.
Several people feel they have been 'ripped off' by this guy. Whilst the quality of his work looks quite impressive on his website, I would urge anyone considering buying from him to first do a search on this forum for comments about his work.

Quote: "I like the idea of putting the castle on a tree stump; fresh idea."

There is nothing fresh about his ideas for this pack. I directed him to the 3drt website a few weeks ago and he has simply copied their ideas. Whilst this is cheaper than 3DRT's work, I for one would rather pay the extra from a damn good company that I know does quality work, than pay less to this guy that I know produces crap!


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Nice work...

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Quote: "here is nothing fresh about his ideas for this pack. I directed him to the 3drt website a few weeks ago and he has simply copied their ideas."


Thought the screens looked to have a familiar style, I thought perhaps he was the artist for those in your link.

Those are good models, but I have heard of the reputation for service, I could swear I saw someone say about how when enquiring about them not working properly in an engine the response was 'they work fine for me' but no help or real help. If that's the case, my advice is 'the customer is always right' they contribute to your business and your reputation, bad reputation means bad business, if someone has an issue, do your best to resolve it, if impossible offer a refund, as any business would.

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the last packs were full of unwelded and random vertices strewn everywhere, as well as the interiors hardly finished.

Talk to megatonf or some screenshots.

And of course they're going to make it look good on their website... When you pay money for something you need to look closer than the obvious.
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Those are good models, but I have heard of the reputation for service, I could swear I saw someone say about how when enquiring about them not working properly in an engine the response was 'they work fine for me' but no help or real help"


Ok I think it is time to let this issue die out. Every thread that Steve posts gets flamed. And all opinions are based off of past dealings from second hand sources. I remember the megaton issue and scraggles issue. I believe Steve refunded Scraggle so that should now be a dead issue though it is still brought up. Megtons issue was considered dead by I think Rich, and both parties were told to figure it out off board.

If you have a grudge with Steve CS then that's your deal, but leave it off of these forums. that is a matter that you should take up with Steve via email or contact the TGC guys since it is their boards and have them mediate the situation.

You can not expect a one person outfit to stop everything they are doing to respond to customer problems. You have to allow the person to set priorities for his company and work flow. After all they are probably involved in several other projects. And maybe just maybe someone else is having a problem and he is dealing with their issues. Take TGC for instance it can take up to a week to get a response from them and they probably have a guy who deals with the problems and vary little of anything else (If I'm wrong please correct me). Seems to me that people are holding a grudge when they should not be. Please if you have a problem take it up with steve on a personal level and not in a public forum.

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I don't have a grudge, no reason to, but from what I've heard, I thought I'd make a comment on good business and good service, possibly helping the dude pick up from mistakes, if its something not emphasised clearly before.

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I think people should be informed before they spend their money on something thats different than what it looks to be.

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Then direct them to the threads so they can read the stuff in it's entirity instead of off hand information.

Have you test driven this new pack or any of the last three? How do you know that you are getting sub par media? You assume and you know what assuming does right? I do think that steve should release a model for people to test drive but that's his choice. He has included a 3D walk around wioth the new pack in an actual 3d environment. You can run in to them and view them from all angles, you can turn collision off and run to the inside of the buildings to see if there are any extra stuff just chillin. I recommend going to his site and check it out for yourself.

Seppu- I understand man. I am just tired of seeing Steve flammed. I know the last three packs are quality. there were a few issues with Tropical pack II and DBPro but I believe Steve refunded that individual his money.

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it was the midieval and tropical packs that I had experience with.

I'm glad if the new stuff is quality, more power to anyone who wishes to purchase these models. Be forewarned.

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They dont have to point to the threads. They can say their experience here. I am sorry, but from what you are saying:

I walk into a computer part shop. I buy a processor, go home open the box, and find that the box is empty. It starts a court case, but the computer shop has professional lawyers, and many people on their side and I lose. I should not be able to tell people that the company doesn't sell processors, just things that look like processors?

http://phoenixophelia.com

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Quote: "I walk into a computer part shop. I buy a processor, go home open the box, and find that the box is empty. It starts a court case, but the computer shop has professional lawyers, and many people on their side and I lose. I should not be able to tell people that the company doesn't sell processors, just things that look like processors?"


Sure you can do that if you chose, depending on the outcome of the trial, and depending how far you take it. there is a point when it becomes herrassment. And that is when it becomes illegal. So like I said you could but it depends on the extreme it's taken to. now one can say that jumping on every thread that he posts and continuing to flame based on past occurances, even though those matters were dealt with, relates to herrassment. You can try to talk a way around that but it's not going to work. stating it once is sufficient enough but on every thread that is posted, constitutes harrassment.

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I think you are missing the point.

There are many problems with several of the packs that he sells. It would be reasonable to presume that he would fix them and provide updates for those that have bought them, but he does not. Instead, he continues to sell them to other unsuspecting people.

If it was a different product he was selling and the fault could cause injury, things would have to change.
Let's say for example, BMW's latest car had a design fault that caused the brakes to fail.
Would you expect people to point it out?
Of course you would.
And if BMW failed to do anything about it and continued to sell the faulty product to other people, would that be acceptable?
Of course not.
And if people then warned others about the faults of the product, would that be harassment?
No. It would be expected.

The reason I have pointed out the faults with these packs is not because I have a grudge against this guy for fixing problems that shouldn't have been there. It is because he has not fixed them. At least, that is what I would have to presume because I certainly haven't received any updates.

Now, you can call it harassment if you want to but I would call it a public service. If I ever receive an update fixing the problems that I have highlighted to him then I will stop warning people against his products but until that time I have to assume that the products are still faulty. Therefore, I consider it my duty to let people know what to expect.

Personally, I am suprised that his adverts are still accepted on this forum. If BMW failed to fix their brakes they certainly wouldn't be aloud to continue selling their products.


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Similar to how we had problems with the Camber Sands campsite, complained, not solve, left for another site, asked for refund not given, wrote a letter concerning the refund, no reply, next stage, authorities, but we are doing what we can to make sure that their reputation is known for what it is, it wouldn't be harrassment, but rather taking the customers at heart and making sure other people don't have the same experience as you and take their business elsewhere. Meaning if the person gets annoyed by this and gets bad business, for them to solve it would to be a good businessman and give the customers what they want and paid for and learn from it. Thus being a solution, if all the comments were all 'oh wow awesome', then it would attract people into buying the product without knowing the reputation fully. So if there was both 'the models are awesome' and 'bad customer service' then it would be fair, I mean people get reviews on ebay, for people to make a choice, it helps people from not getting what they should.

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It wasn't Mega whom had the issue with Steve, it was me. I posted the screens, the debates, flames, etc.

Steve has since rectified the situation and was in fact the one to contact me after sometime to remedy my complaint. Furthermore, steve went very out of his way to help me recover some lost media that was my own fault.

I have since made purchases from steve and without regret.

Reality: Never pursue law. I won't get into it but, youre so extremely way off in your analogy it's near embarassing. If you really want to get into a Civil law and Small Claims debate, email me. And I beleive the legal proceeding you where hoping to refer to was Defamatory not Harassment. And even then that motion does and would not stand in that scenerio and would be dismissed before even entertained.

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Quote: "Reality: Never pursue law. I won't get into it but, youre so extremely way off in your analogy it's near embarassing. If you really want to get into a Civil law and Small Claims debate, email me. And I beleive the legal proceeding you where hoping to refer to was Defamatory not Harassment. And even then that motion does and would not stand in that scenerio and would be dismissed before even entertained."


pwn'ed!

My two cents: If you dont like this guy dont buy from him. No need to waste your valuable time arguing about something stupid with people you really don't know. Hey! That's what I'm doing right now! Yay for hypocrisy!

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Well law is off, but there is still some point, I think really if someone is going to post an opinion on a thread with selling on, there should be both the bad and good experiences, similarly to how you leave a comment on ebay, it helps those know what they'd be getting, which is why the point about harassment etc is off. I don't know anything about this dude, but what I do know is, he is a good modeller and texturer who sells at a reasonable price that has had his reputation for unreliability, but seems in cases to pull through, and I got that from this thread, anyone to dismiss bad comments on someone's service I would say to be out of line expecting that otherwise I'd think I'd being getting 'da bomb' of media.

I'd probably make a purchase on this dude if a-I had money b- I didn't make my own media, I'd probably take the risk of bad customer service, because I'm sure someone somewhere would be able to help if he failed to, as long as the models and textures were there. People still have the right to make a complaint around the company based on bad experiences, which is what those analogies being made seem to attempt.

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Quote: "there should be both the bad and good experiences"

What if there are no good experiences?

Quote: "what I do know is, he is a good modeller and texturer"

How do you know that? You have told us you have none of his products. I do and I have to disagree with you.

Quote: "as long as the models and textures were there"

That is the whole point. They are not there. There are several textures missing from several of his packs and he does nothing to rectify the problem.

Quote: "I'd probably make a purchase on this dude"

I thought about calling you an idiot for that comment but decided against getting personal. However, I think what you are saying speaks volumes about you.


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Posted: 16th Nov 2006 17:49 Edited at: 16th Nov 2006 17:52
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Quote: "What if there are no good experiences?"


There has been. Thus why I made a purchase not long after the matter was rectified and Steve having gone out of his way to assist me in recovering some lost media.



Quote: "How do you know that? You have told us you have none of his products. I do and I have to disagree with you."


I do as well. Live and learn. Steve made an unintentional mistake in the past. We all do. The matter since has been rectified in equal proportions to the past mistake.


Steve: You really should provide a demo that will allow a potential client to view all the models as was suggested awhile back even by Mr Richard Davey. A few of us have offerd to code one up for you and in a secure manner. You have to admit,you have marred your name. Now is your chance to restore it.

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Then that says a lot about the seller

Quote: "How do you know that? You have told us you have none of his products. I do and I have to disagree with you."


Well essentially you don't, but can assume it from what you are shown, but for him to be a crap modeller/texturer it would show in the screenshots, and from what I see the textures are reasonably done for the style and the models don't look to have cheap short cuts and look good overall, but then if they turn up with upside down/missing normals, or having various errors, that's not really modelling skills, well for the normals upside down means there is a miss in one important thing to do with game media.

Quote: "That is the whole point. They are not there. There are several textures missing from several of his packs and he does nothing to rectify the problem."


No textures, then in that case I take back my statement of purchasing from him, I would only buy if I got the product and the issue could be resolved, if not, then well, its not worth it.

Quote: "I thought about calling you an idiot for that comment but decided against getting personal. However, I
think what you are saying speaks volumes about you."

In a sense you are calling me one, otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it, but getting personal just doesn't work in an argument/discussion, so I wouldn't either, heck I don't even get angry/shirty. But I wouldn't say it says much about me, other than I'd base my purchases on what people have said on both sides of product, which I see no problem in, because surely you'd get a clearer view knowing what other people have found, before I realised there was missing media I had thought people were having issues with the media itself and lack of help/response from the seller. What I was really arguing about was allowing for people to express their opinion on the dudes products, good or bad, as reality forgotten seems to take as harassment, so I do not see what reason you would get for taking the conclusion of being an idiot.

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@x1b- It would not be defamation since there was an obvious problem with a few of his packs. Look it up sometime.

Just in case you're asking a buddy what defamtion is, here ya go.

Quote: "Defamation is an injury to the reputation or character of someone resulting from the false statements or actions of another. Defamation is a false attack on your good name. Your good name is regarded as a proprietary interest, not a personal interest. Defamation is an improper and unlawful attack against your proprietary right to your good name, your reputation"


I never said his early packs were flawless. So please don't presume to know what I am thinking. Please do not ever put words in to my mouth. And for your reading pleasure here is the definition of "harass"

Quote: "
harass - Show Spelled Pronunciation[huh-ras, har-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–verb (used with object) 1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute.
2. to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid.
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I'll let you work the logic out for yourself since your so mastered in Law.

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Quote: "I'll let you work the logic out for yourself since your so mastered in Law."


Nope, nor am I an attorney. I do however carry The Quebec Legal System, Civil Responsibillity and Business Law Certificates. Copy Right Law in the works.

Steve was in no manner, harassed. This is a forum, not a phone call, nor did he receive a single email, he DID however make phone call(s) but i'll not air that here as that was information I was made privy to. Opinions where viewed and aired by past and present clients. I suppose by your very flawed logic and poor law, that the Better Busiess Bureau is harassment? I gave you benefit of the doubt and offerd Defamation. Now I can only conclude you just like to listen to your self talk.

I'll let you work that out for you self.

At this juncture of this debate, you're making matters worse for Steve by trying to act as any form of representation for him.

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We can discuss this via messenger or email wich ever, you are sadly mistaken with your rational of the law.

Your Canadian Law my friend

Quote: "Unsolicited words or conduct which tend to annoy, alarm or abuse another person. An excellent alternate definition can be found in Canadian human rights legislation as: "a course of vexatious comment or conduct that is known or ought reasonably to be known to be unwelcome." Name-calling ("stupid", "retard" or "dummy") is a common form of harassment."


Canadian Law

The link above is all about Canadian law. You should read it sometime. Now we can do this all day long, It's up to you. The quote above is from the canadian human rights board.

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Quote: "you are sadly mistaken with your rational of the law"


Then please, post, email or msn me with your purported Allegation.

And thus far, your claim bares no merrit. The words provided where given in opinion and not intention to annoy. Lest you can prove your accusation? A phonecall made? email sent? anything documented with clear intent to harass? So far your arguement is built on Circumstantial Evidence or 'Hear Say'.

In this case, it seems I represent Steves Clients and thus this a Defense. The burden of Evidence is upon me. Said evidence has been provided, filed and documented as well as witnesses called forth.

And now you are entitled to 'Answer to Plea'. Prove beyond reasonable doubt your accusation of Harassment.

This thread is enroute to lock. MSN or Email.

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Quote: "n this case, it seems I represent Steves Clients and thus this a Defense. The burden of Evidence is upon me. Said evidence has been provided, filed and documented as well as witnesses called forth"


Ok so you in character yet?

Quote: "A phonecall made? email sent? anything documented with clear intent to harass?"


MUltiple threads bearing the same information. Also TGC has stepped in and said enough is enough. Since TGC are the end authorities on thyese boards and an y decisions that they make stand as law, when they said it's finished then it is finished. bringing these gripes and moans again constitutes herassment for the following reason:

Members were asked by TGC staff to take care of this off board, and when it flowed back on to board.

Here are some threads.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=68346&b=1

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=69207&b=1

And it now starts over in this thread. This does constitute harassment at this point. Since you have been asked to stop not only by Steve and but also other people.

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And in a real court of law you could not represent.

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Harassment? Law issues...Sorry have I missed something?...I see no harassment...I feel something should be obvious, but fail to see it.

But then from the sounds of things I could get several people done on MSN for harassment, I mean I keep getting requests from people, trolling and such and I find it very irritating, I am bothered by it continually and continues to disturb me. But then I suppose by those definitions loads of things could be considered harassment, but throwing the law and book at each other with different laws on harassment, come on people... I suppose we all are bad people for harassing poor Stevie because people have issues with some of his customers and these customers not only want this resolved but see their opinion is expressed to other customers, and I guess we're all guilty under Canadian law.

Quote: "Unsolicited words or conduct which tend to annoy, alarm or abuse another person. An excellent alternate definition can be found in Canadian human rights legislation as: "a course of vexatious comment or conduct that is known or ought reasonably to be known to be unwelcome." Name-calling ("stupid", "retard" or "dummy") is a common form of harassment."


If there was name calling here, well then the person is out of line, but I'd clarify is Stevie is vexed and I'd clarify whether or not the comments made were to be vexatious, but if you say if you say well they're vexatious and therefore still fall under it, then:

By Canadian law I could throw the book at Scraggle (Mind your head) I was a little vexed by his comment and I'd consider it to be known as unwelcome, heck the same would apply to comments made day in and day out on these forums.

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You are proceeding with Circumstantial Evidence. An opinion. Weak Law. Dismissive.

In reply to your evidence:

Mod John H
Quote: "They are not attacking you. As a customer, x1b has the full right to post images of the product he purchased along with his dislikes about it. He is simply warning other users about the product that they will recieve if they choose to buy it, a step you should have taken yourself to avoid this whole mess. Contacting TGC will do nothing, as these users have done nothing wrong, they have simply criticised you on your work."



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Quote: "I'm going to lock this thread because I feel that both sides have had suitable chance to air their grievances. I will not delete this thread, it has every right to remain, as the models really need fixing. Having created so many different model packs this should be an easy task for someone with such obvious skills."


Appears was terminated only due to Mod Richard Davey feeling that the defenses point has been made and stood in agreeance.

Again, you have only provided an opinion. Below even Hear Say or any acknowledgable Circumstanstial Evidence.

I do in fact still bare in my email history what can constitute as Steve being the haraser. But i'll not go there as you have already done Steve a major disservice.

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Quote: "Harassment? Law issues...Sorry have I missed something?...I see no harassment...I feel something should be obvious, but fail to see it."


hah. ya, bored now. i'm done here.


Steve: Really sorry man, I initially came up to bat for you.

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Quote: "feel that both sides have had suitable chance to air their grievances"


As rich stated you both had time to air your grievances, he also stated that he was not going to delete that thread as everyone has the right to read it. So with that being said instead of spamming all of his threads point them to that thread. seems clear to me that was Rich's intent of leaving that thread on the forums locked.

As soon as Rich posted that it should have been a deadend subject. If you wanted to make people aware you should have referenced the thread Rich Locked. Also this has gone beyond making people aware this has become a Witch hunt. BY posting that Qoute from Rich you said a mouthfull.

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Quote: "If you wanted to make people aware you should have referenced the thread Rich Locked."


I think everyone here was aware except seemingly you.



Quote: "As soon as Rich posted that it should have been a deadend subject"


It was. It was locked. Was dead until you made the accusation of harassment, that seems only you seem to agree on and are the only one arguing in favour of. The irony being that for all your intent to defend steve? you've buried him again.

Anyway, this is by far a dead subject. I'll leave you to bicker with your self.

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Actually, there wasn't really spamming, Oddmind says he hopes these ones are better as there were problems, like Megaton demonstrated in the last thread, someone makes the statement that he must of got ripped off, Scraggle emphasises that its not the only case as though, because there have been people ripped off, its not spamming his thread, but really informing people of what happened with the other packs, which they have the right to know, then you start the whole argument from there, I mean it could have ended there, people with good comments about his work and people with negative comments about his work, but an argument resulted in a larger issue.

So I'd give it a rest here, continuing this will only result in this thread going down the drain further, I'm sure if Stevie had any sense he would fix his problems and once he has proven that, people won't complain.

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People are always going to complain...............dead issue.

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I reckon there's only one real way to settle this... I'm gonna buy it

Steve, please don't let me down I'm convincing my dad right now. My mom already said yes and my dad is budging. It's just 35 bucks and a shoulder massage away

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35 Bucks and a shoulder massage? They drive a hard bargain.

* On another note- I hold no animosity towards anyone..Disagreements are going to happen. *

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Quote: "35 Bucks and a shoulder massage? They drive a hard bargain."


Yeah my parents are pretty nice. Usually I earn my money but I can call in a favor from time to time...

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@Seppuku Arts
It seems we are both reading from the same song sheet. I am truly sorry if offended you and I realise that my comments were very mis-directed. I should not have taken offense with you and for that I am sorry.

@everyone else
If the roles were reversed and it was my products that Steve had a reason to complain about. Then instead of letting people argue about it here I would do my level best to rectify any problem that he had so that there was nothing to complain about. That way, when I posted about a new product like this, instead of having past customers saying how poor my service was they would give me praise for my excellent customer service (or at least, not complain about the present one).

I have several concerns about Steve (Arteria Games):

1) Despite so many negative comments about his products, he has done nothing to rectify the problem. This is not the first time he has received negative press and yet there are customers (like me) that have paid money for goods that they have not received.

2) He must obviously be monitoring this thread. I know I would be if it were my product and yet despite this, he has not once tried to defend himself. That suggests to me one of two further concerns:

3) Either, he is going under a different name to defend himself and pretending to be a customer or ...

4) He knows he produces inferior quality products that he simply cannot defend.

I find myself continuing to add to this thread and yet in doing so I am doing Steve a great service by keeping his advert at the top of the page. my only hope is that in doing so it will induce one of two possible outcomes:

a) People will realise that they really should look elsewhere when considering buying model packs.

or

b) Steve will realise how important customer satisfaction is and I will eventually get the products that I have paid for.


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I'm confident this cartoon pack is quality. Mistakes happen.

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I would like to say sorry for getting so worked up about the issue. The reason I got so worked up is because I deal with Steve quite a bit and have had no short comings with him. Things work as they should for me.

I hope that the crazy can shed some light on the cartoon fantasy pack. I know Steve has started to use different methods to build his models and it seems that they are for the better. Don't get me wrong I think he should post a few freebies for people to test drive.

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I would like to reciprocate,RF.

I apologize if I became belligerent and at any point ,a blatant assh*le.

Steve and I have a rough past but have recently made amends.

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Cool. This community is actually becoming quite friendly. What on earth is happening?!?? lol.

The pack looks very good from the screenshots.

I personally wouldnt buy a model pack, I'd make them myself, but not everyone can do that.

Hope thi goes well for you guys.

Crazy - Report when you get a chance!!

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