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Jeremiah
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I went to fpspacks.com and ordered that pack several days ago. I still havn't heard from them. Does anyone on here know who runs that site?
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Locrian
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Not real sure why you'd by a pack of 60 segments whenh it only shows two on the site. That would have made me think right there.

No idea who runs it though. Good luck.

Loc
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Veron
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Just contact the creator.

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vorconan
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there is a contacts page you know

sales@fiberfrag.com
support@fiberfrag.com

try those, may be worth a shot

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Jeremiah
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Posted: 21st Mar 2007 21:30
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I have emailed those about 6 time already. But I appreciate the effort anyway.
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Benjamin A
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I'm afraid you've even paid for stuff you can find for free on the web. I've looked at the screenshots and some of that stuff is on my harddisk also from free websites. Do a search on free textures and you'll find lot's and lot's of stuff much better looking then what they sell.

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Strelok
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 17:30
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there are a lot of scammers...

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Jeremiah
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2007 17:51
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Actually he just emailed me the files and quite a few of the segments are pretty nice. It came with 44 Segments 6 of which are really nice 18 celings, 17 floors, 40 walls. Non of which I currently had.
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Fiberfrag
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 00:38 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 09:09
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Yes glad you like it. Sorry if they came to you late I did email the information out right after the order came in...

Fiberfrag

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Locrian
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 06:35
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Not sure why Mods let this live. He shows 2 segments on a site with a flash mech theme we've all seen before.

Theres no way to even tell what he's selling is his with him showing 2 segments.

I strongly advise all to stay away from this seller.

This is another case of someone slapping a site together with incomplete information. 99 times out of 100 these are malicious or rip offs.
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 07:08 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 08:09
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hi i just wanted to know if the textures in your screen shots are fromhttp://www.arroway.de/en/index.html.they look 100% the same.are they the ones in the pack you are selling ?












textures - edition one
metal
structure 02
Steel Wall
lattice 01
Lattice


size 1033x387 think of what it looks like at 512x512


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Locrian
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 07:50 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 07:59
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* screams in wwf loud wrestling voice*

"Dose the Loc know?......or dose the Loc know?.....

"I'd like to thank my brother Domray for stepping into the ring........against all odd....to help out a brother in need"

"For that...I thank him....stepping up..... up to crush with an iron fist all these would be challengers...."

"I ......Am .......The ......Loc"

" I am your verb....."

" I am your adjective....."

" I am your noun brother........."

*hits on ring girl*



*struts around ring doing the "I told ya so dance"*
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Jeremiah
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There are non of those in the pack that he sold me.
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Jeremiah
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It doesn't match.
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Locrian
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 07:53 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 07:57
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It matches 1000%
Check out my red squares...pfft
I can sniff um out like a bar fly in heat man......
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Jeremiah
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similar yes, the exact same, no. I am not just standing up for the guy... I don't care about him. I have been a photoshopper for years and in my opinion it isn't accuse him all you want for whatever you want, but I don't think he stole anything.
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Locrian
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:05 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 08:18
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No ya haven't Photoshoped for years or you'd see it. It's not similar...it's exact.....Do I need to point out every thing thats exact?.Only streched a little because its on a taller wall then the original?....Quit....Face it....This guy smoked ya.....

We just want him gone now

Your opinion is wrong.

**Dang my comp probs or I'd do this whole nice layout...you guys will have to settle for paint shop cause Im on comp 2.
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DOMRAY
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:22 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 08:51
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Jeremiah can you plz send me some screen shots of some of the walls in the pack. or even a photoshop spread with a watermark so i can have a look at this pack .ty

size 1033x387 think of what it looks like at 512x512



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Locrian
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:37 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 08:52
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OK. First off let me say....
You better look closely when your disagreeing with me. I'm not saying I'm perfect. But I don't talk crap unless I'm sure.

You'll notice I never call new guys the "n" word. I try and give everyone the respect they deserve....

Now were going to show your why your wrong. Now were going to explain to you on a level that even a new guy can fathom, about why I speak up when I do....

Lets look at image one shall we?

I want you to try and visualize the "s" and the "a" in the yellow highlighted boxes. I want you to try and see the section under the "a" that looks like a stalk of wheat, with the kernels pointing left and the stalk pointing right.

Lets have a look at image two...we know youd like to..

Now here highlighted in green we see a reverse check mark. thats a little hard to see on the segment picture so look at the 2 lines underneath it. Do ya happen to see any similarities?

K lets have a jaunt with image three shall we....

Here we have a section highlighted in white. I use different colors so your not confused from one image to the next.
Looks like a duck don't it? A mature duck with his head pointing to the right. Maybe it's just me and I imagine all this.

Last but not least we have image four.

You may not see it. but highlighted in pink to me is a really skinny version of the Vishnu logo..lol

I'm over talkin to you.....You stepped on my WWF vibe....

Loc
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 08:52
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@ loc

is the texture free for download that he used? is he violating the license for that texture? if so i think i ban is in order...


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Two things...
One...Loc has never been wrong yet when he says the textures came from elsewhere,were stolen,etc.
Two...I believe at least one forum member just sailed up the creek without a paddle.
Somebody is in a heck of a lot of trouble.
Good job on the tag team guys and now,since I am appointing myself the new special guest referee I am gonna step in and put a stop to this...and disqualify somebody.

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It's better to Burn Out than to Fade away.Victor Kruger/The Kurgan
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 09:13 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 09:14
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Bullshock,
When Loc posts the info that you need you can bust this guy since you got to this first.
Piracy gets a automatic 1 year ban minimum (somethimes more) from me but I'll let you have the fun this time.
I'll post it one more time for those that haven't gotten it yet...
We here on the FPSC forums don't take kindly to piracy...period.

Edit:
Domray...no Undertaker?

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Locrian
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Posted: 4th Apr 2007 09:26 Edited at: 4th Apr 2007 09:29
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They don't list the license. You'd have to ask Dom(thought he had the pack). They are commercial packs selling for 45$ each. My guess is it's a non English speaking site. What site sells their packs for 45$(say thats Europe money) and allows the same pack to be sold for 8$.

I bet my membership to this site that this isn't the authors intentions. It's a new site it says on it, so they may not know a license isn't listed. I can't find a public license. I will be emailing the Admin.

http://www.arroway.de/textures/01/en/index.html Thats where that blue wall is.

PS I will be getting the info for this....May take a day or so.
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Locrian
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I sent this letter off and we'll see what they have to say.

Quote: "Hello info@arroway.de,
My name is Eric and I'm a member of a game development site hosted by The Game Creators.

There seems to be a pack of textures going around thats noted in this thread:
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=102439&b=24
It seems to be your pack listed here:
http://www.arroway.de/textures/01/en/index.html

Some of us Indie developers are vigilantly anti-piracy. The site here:
http://fpspacks.com/
-is selling your pack for $7.99
Your pack is selling for 45 EUR

We would like to see a license, or even better, chime in to the thread on this forum where this is being discussed and settle this for us.

Our moderators would love to hear from you.

Thank you for your time
Eric P."
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I just ordered the 45 Euro Pack, the textures of arroway look great - and yes, I also ordered it because I´ve bought the fpspacks package some weeks ago and now my blood pressure is goint to the roof...

It`s not a bug, it`s a feature
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Here we go again....

It looks like Locrian has the same eye as myself. I always look for those minute patterns when comparing textures; most people don't. I look at shadow placement, even pixel placement if it gets down to that.

Once we've heard something official from the original artist (or the license is verified), this member's time here is at an end.

I think we may want to discuss Nuking accounts of Pirates, in lieu of a 1 year ban; just to cover their IP as well. It's pretty obvious that the punishment currently isn't enough.

Arrgghh!

-Keith



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@Keith: If you like, I can call the Studio offering the original textures. We exchanged business details a few hours ago, and it`s a) not expensive calling from Austria to Germany and B) we don`t have any language barriere...

It`s not a bug, it`s a feature
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I agree with Keith.Nuke 'em...

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@Ertlov; thanks, but we're going to need a response in writing (just so we can post it). If somone sent them an e-mail, and get a response...post it here. But if you end up calling them anyways, be sure to let us know what they say.

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you guys know its my turn to nuke the pirate right?

+ =

anyway, ya were just awaiting a response on the license issue.


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Quote: "you guys know its my turn to nuke the pirate right?"
Yes, I forgot. We need two more Pirates for it to be my turn again.

[Good Morning Vietnam bit]"Well, how do you know who the pirates are?"

"That's easy. I just ask them "are you a Pirate?", and if the say yes I Nuke them".[/Good Morning Vietnam bit]



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Um lol dude your screwed you used free textures to sell



A ban might be in order lol!

(uploaded walls) + (Selling Them) = Ban


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Quote: "Um lol dude your screwed you used free textures to sell "


I think we established the basis of that already, and If you had read this, you'd know they weren't free, they were purchasable for 45 EUR

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so, I spent 8.00 on soemthing that is stolen?
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Quote: "so, I spent 8.00 on soemthing that is stolen?"


Some what like that he sorta scammed himself

45 Euros = 60.1335 U.S. dollars

Lol


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Quote: "so, I spent 8.00 on soemthing that is stolen?"

Yes.
And the sad thing is that at least two people posted yesterday trying to tell you this.
The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself in any way speaks for itself.
Here's the deal...because I have had at least two members that I have bought stuff off of that might have illegally distributed media in them.
If you ain't sure don't use it.
You got ripped off.I hope you learn from this...for the web getting ripped off for $8 isn't bad.It could have been a lot worse.
If it makes you feel any better your situation has probably put a pirate out of business and kept other forum members from getting the same raw deal you did.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2007 07:52 Edited at: 5th Apr 2007 07:59
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Considering I have designed 3 levels of my game using some of these segments.

Can i post the other segments on here as well as the rest of the pack?
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I just posted a dispute with paypal. He now does not have access to his paypal account until he takes care of this problem.
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Ouch...well,you can always e-mail him and tell him how happy you are?
Since he hasn't responded to this thread or anything else that has been sent his way about this he probably won't respond to you.
And since e-mails aren't covered by the AUP you can express your happiness any way you wish.
Personally I think we've waited long enough and Bullshock should just nuke him myself.
maybe if all of the FPSC forum members e-mail people who do this maybe they won't be so eager to do it again.

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Money Refunded Jeremiah and it was not because I didn't have access to my papal account it was the fair thing to do in this situation. I offer that to the few people that bought the pack. Just email from the forums and refund will be processed.

Hmm, I have been a graphics designer for years and have always had work somewhere on the net. Seem that my work was stolen and is actually all over the net and I can see how it can look like I stole the work. I am pretty anal with my artwork and not happy at this time. I am now going through my art and seems that there is a company or two that have taken all my stuff and selling it or giving it away for free on the web. I have contacted them and waiting for a response. As I take this serious I have taken the website off line. My no means did I steal any artwork from anyone as it was stolen from me.

Sorry that I have not been looking at this post as I would of responded right away as I always try to help in these forums. If you look on Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 16:38 I did make a post so to say I was not around a whole 24 hours is crap because I am right here. I was not aware that this post went on accusing me of stealing when my stuff has been on the web way longer than this site has. So once again, sorry if anyone things I have been stealing as it is not the case and I am pulling the packs off the web until I get this fixed with the others carrying the same textures.

So I am not going to get into a pissing match on he said she said about the textures. It is just easier pulling them off and dealing with this outside the community. Sorry for any confusion this may have cause, as truly I am an honest man trying to help the FPSC community.

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I have a question.

The textures on that site you can download them for free...
And on the FAQ their is a question about:
Why would i buy these if i can download them for free?...

And than they say because it is a bad quality...

But they dont say anything of how you can use it.
(Okey i know that it is a little bit strange to sell them)
But what if people download them and use them for their own game.
So that they are not selling them is that okey?
They are not making any money on it.
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I think Fiberfrag has done enough and he should not be banned. Lets face it, the internet is full with scams, stealing and everything else. And by the way Jeremiah, just becasue you dispute a charge paypal does not stop someones services of being used so lets not lie about what you did do when in reality you did not. Anyway, in my opinion, pulling the site down right away was the right thing to be done as we are not sure where these were developed as the internet as good as it is ruined things forever.....
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He did refund my monies. Let me know when and if you get this resolved and I will buy your packs again.

Thanks for being honest and I will deal with you in the future. Also, I think everyone on here owes you an appology, including me.

thanks and sorry.
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Yea, can't trust anything anymore with the internet... Look at the music industry... Record Companies are going crazy and can't control the lack of music sales. Same thing here, I bet you 100's of material is out there claimed to be owned by themselves. But you never know with the internet and it will only get worse. I believe anyone could own that artwork including Fiberfrg.. I am new here but have been reading a bunch of posts so hello.
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All good man. Things happen.

I am so pissed off right now. That is why we got out of certian things we have developed for the internet... Things get stolen and it is a pissing match of who's it is. We have developed many thing that is now on the internet with different skins on them. There is no way to stop this and never will be a way. In this case I have pulled my product and developing a new Model Pack that will be killer. It sucks that this happened but we can only go from here. I have been around a few months and post almost every day trying to help other out. The last I wanted was this. That is why I fired up Z-Brush again and will prove that quaility packs are what I can make and that would be enought said about our skills in Segments for FPSC.

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This one thread singlehandedly reminds me of the Salem witch hunts, which is what the forums are turning into.

Based on little to no evidence, you are flaming, ruining the reputation of, and banning innocent members without giving them a decent chance to defend themselves. (24 hours is not even CLOSE to being enough)

You all owe fiber more than an apology, and i think you know that DARNED well.

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Gee...I'll reserve any apologies for when I am convinced this is resovled...and I am not.
This site appears to be reputable and they appear to be the ones in the right at the moment.
Far be it from me to say that this forum member (who is accusing everybody of stealing his textures) is right and the site that is selling these textures is wrong.
Keith already said that he needs to send the .psds of the layers to a forum mod (there are four of us...take your pick).
If he has the original .psds of the layers that will go a long way in reloving this issue.
If he cannot provide them then he didn't make these textures.
It's a really simple solution to this problem and as far as I know Fiberfrag hasn't provided one of us mods with the .psds.
I resent the witch hunt bullcrap you posted...it's obvious that somebody stole something one way or the other and I intend to get to the bottom of this.
If the textures wee really Fiberfrag's why refund the guy for his pack.
Just present the evidence that is required and we weill take care of everything.
We can already prove these textures are for sale on the site in question.
Now we just have to find out who made them.
If Fiberfrag did make these textures and he provides the requested media for a mod to look at then he will get an apology from me and I will take care of this.
I bet otherwise but I will hold off judgement until he has a chance to do what has been requested.
Fiberfrag,
You've sent me e-mails.Please send me the layers of the textures (not the textures themselves...anybody can do that) and when i can verify them i will make this all go away.
Otherwise,what I said before goes.

For all of you conspiracy nuts and withc hunt fanatics...I am going to get to the bottom of this one way or the other.
My suggestion would be that if you have nothing useful to contribute to this thread you do not post here.
If,for some reason,you have issues with the way moderation is done here on these forums feel free to e-mail the mod you have the issue with.
Please remember that the mods' decisions are not up for debate.
We hope to have this resolved as soon as possible.


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So your saying these were your textures originally, and they stoled from you?

Well thats easy to clear up. Email the mods with the unretouch photos you used for the blue metal cargo container(pictures of the container from different views as we know you'd not just shoot one in case it didn't turn out), or send them your un-merged psd showing how you painted each layer from the base to the chipped paint to the rust and any overlay layers you used to give a more photo realistic image(if your going to say you no longer have the original psd's or layered image, then sending a merged image has been tried...no one falls for that just because it has a .psd file extension and one layer).

I'm yet to hear anything from my email. A big problem is the language difference. But if these were originally your textures, this can all be cleared up in mere moments. If it was me, I'd of all ready thought of this, and sent the Mods my psd.s, or original photos. But that's me. I plan on selling SinniNSoul. I have every photo and every psd I've ever made for it. If theres any ever question, I have proof. Like my comics too. Whats shown on my site are like 900 pixels wide. My originals are over 2000 pixels wide to do the comic coloring to them(otherwise the ink lines come out to wide if a small image is used). It would be really hard for someone to take one of my images and claim it as their original. You can always resize down, but you can't resize up with out degradation to the image. So in the end, the guy with the more untouched image wins.

Cross post with MonT:
I started out only saying I wouldn't trust a site that only showed me 2 out of 60 pieces of the product they were selling me. That is a very shoddy business practice employed mainly by scam artist. I only got on the hunt after Dom posted the site those same images are on.

I don't owe him an apology for pointing out the exactness of the images. I'm owed an explanation as to why the same images are being sold in two situations. Bess check your moral compass there, and ask your self who has the best intentions for the community. He can easily prove they are his images. I've outlined it above. All I see are stall tactics.

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Yep.If I had an e-mail with the .psd layers sent to me I could clear all this up within minutes and issue an apology...
which would be better for me than the alternative.
Still waiting on those .psds.

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