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Mike Johnson
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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 13:48
Lee, Rick and I will be going. Possibly also Paul and Dave but not certain about them.
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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 14:25
Hi Guys,

Its Tuesday and I am having a day off (worked all weekend into the early hours), so naturally I am at the keyboard like a fool. Just wanted to chime in and say we've given the official TGC 'nod' to the end of October dates mentioned at the start of this thread. We will make a proper official release with all the details you might need once we have secured the venue.

As you would expect, being the first official TGC con, we're aiming to get the complete team in attendance, if only to deflect some of the blame from my terrible coding habits I can also confirm that my presence is assured, partly for solidarity, but mainly because there is a fancy bar and lounge selling all manner of wonderful drinkies. I suspect my talk will be on the far flung future of Vista, DirectX 10 and the unified shader architecture (and how it will benefit to you guys). I am hoping each member of the team will bring something unique to the agenda, and if any regular convention contributors would like to chip in, they are more than welcome

More as it happens!

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 14:48 Edited at: 27th Mar 2007 14:49
Exceeeeellent.

And this looks like its an opportunity to repay the two beers and 1 guinness and a beer that I have promised Mike and Lee respectively over the past year or two.

I've spoken at the past three conventions on legal topics that people have requested to learn about. Because my head is 100% full of deformable objects in DarkPhysics, I'm currently out of ideas about other topics to speak about. If anyone wishes to nominate a topic, and I can speak on it in an informed way, I'll happily give a presentation.

I won't mention orange juice either. For a change.

@Lee

Quote: "We will make a proper official release with all the details "


Great. Although you will get some people posting in the bugs forum that they think the euler angles being returned by the TGC Convention object are wrong. This happens with every update. Its basically a tradition.

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Ron Erickson
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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 20:36
Since TGC are now into doing some charity stuff ( Red Nose Day ), why not have another fund raising drive to help make this "official" convention an international affair. I'd be happy to speak on 3D rotational mathematics.

Quote: "I won't mention orange juice either. For a change."

Damn.

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...and I always thougt Steve was lying about being married. I guess now I know anything IS possible.

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Posted: 27th Mar 2007 22:16
Quote: "...and I always thougt Steve was lying about being married. I guess now I know anything IS possible"


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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 02:45
Hmm. Will have to do a little more looking but it seems flying into Leeds is about $400 more than to Manchester (option mentioned earlier),requires 3 or so stops compared to 1 and is for non-refundable flights to get that price. This may toss a wrench into my attendance.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 03:11
Quote: "...and I believe my Bat pups beat your Wolf cubs into the world - all 3 times! "


LOL! Sorry. I couldn't resist

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 03:50
I would *love* to go now, since Lee and the rest of the team will be there Already have my big trip planned out this year.

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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 10:28
Mrs Scraggle has given her approval, so there really should be no reason for me not to be there.



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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 20:13
Its right near my birthday (May even be on it!) But probably after it. I think I'll be able to go though!

Ron Erickson
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 22:02
Quote: "I would *love* to go now, since Lee and the rest of the team will be there Already have my big trip planned out this year."


Let's see... a visit to North Korea or a trip to the UK for a DBpro convention. Hmmm.....
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Posted: 28th Mar 2007 23:37
And he has to be shown vertically - not horizontally or at 90d degrees...

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 00:12
and no photos of Philip unless his face has been edited out and replaced with a bear.
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NO! Philip is a bear! All photos of him without editing show a BEAR!!!!


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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 02:29
If I came, would you guys say I'm 18.. I don't want to be left alone while everyone's at the bar

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 05:53
Quote: "remember: No photos of Lee unless they include his entire body with a beer in at least one hand"


Hehehe that was funny Believe you me, mark my words, I will go to the next one. My wife and I have always wanted to go to the UK together, and what better reason than for that?

Have fun everyone!

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Posted: 29th Mar 2007 08:03 Edited at: 29th Mar 2007 08:04
No, its more like:



pleading and needing and bleeding and breeding and feeding exceeding..where is everybody? trying and lying defying denying crying and dying..where is everybody?

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Philip
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Posted: 31st Mar 2007 18:38
Mnem is correct. If you take a picture of me, you just get a picture of Yogi bear. There is plenty of evidence of this already on the forums.

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 13:42
These costs are somewhat steep, IMHO.

I help run Cult.TV, our costs a similar. Our accomodation rate is the same (£110) but for that you get three nights (Fri, Sat, Sun). Our con rate is slightly more (£90 vs £60), but early adopters got half price (£45).

I don't know what TGC intends to spend the £60 on, but we spend the fees on getting some 25 guests to attend, including flying a number in from America, and building and running a TV film/soundstage. (For info ours is a charity event, we make no profit and we don't pay ourselves a penny - it's all volunteer).

Then again the people we have organising the venues are probably some of the best in the business. Certainly if you're looking to run one next year and you'd like to find better-value options you could do worse than give us a shout.

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 15:25
The costs you see are the costs to TGC. Technically that's a lie - there are various other costs involved, but they haven't been passed on to the delgates.

These prices are well below average in the UK. Last year, we couldn't find anything for an unofficial convention that would have been below £200.

Nick's venue was well priced. But for 2 nights at the hotel + convention costs, it was still £240...plus evening meal. You could get it cheaper by staying elsewhere, and that's still an option with this one.
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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 17:32 Edited at: 1st Apr 2007 17:33
Those of us who live in North America should get organized and have a TGC convention here. We would have to choose a centralized location of course. It wouldn't be fair to people like Steve and Jeku if we had it in New York just as it wouldn't be fair to me and Wolf if it were held in Seattle... So after carefully and patiently calculating the best location to hold such an event with a complicated distance algorithm (okay fine, I opened Google Earth and zoomed straight in until I hit a city), it appears some town called Lawrence, Kansas would be the most centralized location for such an event. So Toronto, Boston, or San Diego, which should we go to?

But seriously, it would be pretty neat to have a TGC convention here in the States or in Canada so those of us here on the other side of the puddle can get to experience one. Maybe the gang could link up via web-conference or something, so we could have a giant 150" Super Lee projected onto a wall. I'd pay to go to that .


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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 18:06
Well I'm up for it. Hopefully can book Friday night and Sunday night too.

I've currently trying to re-write Tyrannt in VB.net using DSDK.net. (If I can stop myself playing WoW) Would be great seeing people again.

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 22:29 Edited at: 1st Apr 2007 22:33
The full details to date are in this month's newsletter...

http://www.thegamecreators.com/data/newsletter/newsletter_issue_51.html#1

Matt, Vibe, you could probably do something similar without it being too expensive, by the sounds of things. In the UK, you can go anywhere in Europe for £30 ($60). But if you want an internal flight in our humbly-sized country, it could cost you £200 ($400). My American colleagues tell me travel is cheap, so distance isn't as big a deal.
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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 22:34
Depending on where your travelling from in the UK it may be cheaper to go by airplane as opposed to train, so check out both possibilities.


Luckily I live in Manchester so I can get to Leeds easily

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Posted: 1st Apr 2007 22:38
It's definitely worth thinking about. If a few other people latch onto the idea of a North American TGC Convention I'd definitely participate, but with the TGC webring, Live Pacman, the upcoming Text Adventure Competition, the games I'm making, and my desire to play football (soccer) this summer, I'd definitely need a lot of help, lol.


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Posted: 2nd Apr 2007 16:04
Has anyone considered video conferencing as a sort of cheap, temporary solution for all the US and non-EU people, you could have some (limited) interaction between the different parties involved? Plus it's geeky

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Posted: 2nd Apr 2007 16:22 Edited at: 2nd Apr 2007 16:24
That'll whack up the price a bit - you would need to find an ISP, get cameras - unless we all bring iMacs, and get it all connected.

And then there is the time difference...

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I would happilly settle for a few cheap webcams hooked up to laptops or something. Heck, it could even be done over a messaging service like Yahoo or something. I'd just be greatful to at least somewhat take part in the convention.


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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 17:18
Quote: "The costs you see are the costs to TGC. Technically that's a lie - there are various other costs involved, but they haven't been passed on to the delgates. These prices are well below average in the UK. Last year, we couldn't find anything for an unofficial convention that would have been below £200."


All I'm saying is those with experience (almost 15 years of it) of finding cheap-but-brilliant convention facilities are on hand to offer you to signfigantly reduce those costs in future years.

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:10 Edited at: 3rd Apr 2007 18:17
Dont forget charities and commerical companies are treated differently.

Anyhoo, I've sent off my deposit - hopefully more will turn up than my last one

Its going to cost over £100 for train - time to start saving a bit harder, me thinks... And OS X 10.5 will be out in a few months (mind you, that may be delayed as apparently its just barely out of beta at the moment).

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Posted: 3rd Apr 2007 18:19
Nick, Why don't you fly from southampton to Manchester, which might be about £70 return, and then get the train from Manchester which is £15

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Yes, it might be worth it - the flight is around £60

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Hey honestly, I think the camera idea is real nice for the US people. I am sure someone who is going to the conventions can also take his webcam, so that everyone in the US can benefit.

Any Ideas?
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I'll certainly be attending the full two days, the venue is set back from a major bus route, good public transport access and a few mins walk from the best take-out pizza I've discovered (so far)

Will TGC be arranging video coverage for online viewing? And if not could you clarify the situation for attendees willing to use their own personal recording devices for the benefit of those unable to attend?
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 13:08
What day is it that the convention starts, because I want to fill the form out but dont know what day I will be coming (I think its friday, right?). Would it be from Friday to Sunday?
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 14:42
It starts Saturday, but the option with accommodation is from friday night. Friday has always been a good socialising evening.
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Posted: 6th Apr 2007 14:46
I'm pricing a flight now, unfortunately, Ryanair will only let me price the flight to England, not back >_<

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Quote: "Friday has always been a good socialising evening."


I remember, Or don't remember really, it well (For those attending who are over 18 that is )

Did make Saturday a bit shorter than normal

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BatVink - did my cheque arrive ?

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i think i'm goning to be on of the only yanks over there.

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Nick, yes we have it thank you! At some point, people will be informed by email, and kept up to date in the same way too. So if you've booked, you'll be privy to new information as soon as it's available.

I can also advise anyone thinking of attending that 1/3 of the rooms available for the convention are now spoken for.
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Quote: "I can also advise anyone thinking of attending that 1/3 of the rooms available for the convention are now spoken for."

Thats why I sent my deposit early - I presume I'll be getting the Presidential suite

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Is there an age limit?

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Only that if your under 16, then you haveto come with one or more parents.

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And if you are over 80 you need to be accompanied by both parents



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only thing holding me back is cost, in particular a plane ticket from australia (damn you expensive flights!!!!!!!!!)

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I put my booking form and my cheque in the (first class) post on Saturday evening. So hopefully it will arrive on Tuesday or Wednesday.

As for the video camera idea, my recollection is that this would be an offence contrary to the RIPA Act, without the prior written consent of all the attendees. I'm not an Intellectual Property lawyer so I'm not entirely sure on that, but I certainly don't think its something worth bothering with. If you want to attend, come to Leeds. Its a city on the M1 with the only motorway left off ramp in the country.

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Posted: 10th Apr 2007 16:01
The point is that people in different countries can "partly" attend. I assume the terms for using a webcam are the same or similar to taking photos, which seems to be fairly common at these conventions

@Mrs Batvink:
What kind of different payment types do you accept? I'm not located inside the UK so if I send you a cheque it would be in euros.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2007 19:35 Edited at: 13th Apr 2007 19:38
Matt Rock, Jeku, LiT and everyone else who might be interested in a US based convention, I am very interested. As previously stated before, flying around the US isn't that big of a deal, if you fly to Kentucky or Fly to Washington, it is not much of a difference.

Las Vegas and Portland are both 2 good places for holding conferences, plenty of lodging, international airports and plenty of after-hours activities. Los Angeles is kind of difficult to get around in, as is San Francisco, if it weren't for that fact I would recomend those places as well. Any other suggestions?

If anyone is interested in a North American conference, please chime in!

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Posted: 13th Apr 2007 19:41
Portland would be fun as I could just drive there. I don't have my passport yet so I can't fly into the US, but hopefully in a few months I'll get it.

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