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DLL Talk / Can you make a .dll out of an .exe ?

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Eevil Weevil
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Posted: 14th Oct 2007 15:41
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I've always (well, since I got DBPRo) wanted to make a dll. It'd increase flexibility in a game, right? Anything to up the frame rate. Now I know I'm probably posting something that'll get flamed loads, but don't, cause I got asthma . But is it possible? I don't program C++, or Visual basic, or C# (although I do have them on the computer [excluding C#]) - DBPro is my forte (probably spelt wrong ) and I.. well, constructive critism please, no spam, etc.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2007 21:20
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No, it's not possible right now, and probably won't ever be possible.

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Posted: 15th Oct 2007 22:08
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Oh, Ok.
Although theoretically, if someone made a program to convert an .exe/.dbpro/.dba file to C++ code (This is hypothetical) and then made the C++ compiler to compile the code, the made a .dll out of it, then... *pant* Then you'd have the dll

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Posted: 19th Oct 2007 23:18
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How to convert an EXE into a DLL:
This is called emulating, and it is not very nice. For starters, there are only 2 languages which can be easily translated both ways.

The first is machine code, which your processor reads (although this can be either 6502 or Z80 machine code)

The second is assembly language, which consists of commands like INC, DEC and LDA.

Those commands can be replaced by commands in C++, but not very efficiently. And when it is compiled, it would become even more inefficient, and can be likened to turning motion into sound, to then turn it into something like light. Not very efficient.

How to turn .DBA code into C++ code

This means hardwiring each and every one of the DBPro functions into C++ code. Once you've done that, you can simply alter the syntax, but keep the semantics the same. Slightly longer, but much more efficient.

Although, to be honest, I don't see a reason for making a DLL with DBPro.

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Posted: 21st Oct 2007 21:24
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Quote: "How to convert an EXE into a DLL:
This is called emulating, and it is not very nice."

WOAH. You're really a fan of opening sentences, aren't you?

Quote: "Although, to be honest, I don't see a reason for making a DLL with DBPro."

Coz I don't wanna learn C++ . There. Simple as that

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@Eevil Weevil
You really should learn C++. Once you get over the initial difficulty of understanding it all, you will find that it is a REALLY powerful language. It is both the fastest (excepting assembler) and most functional language there is! (With pointers etc.) Also, making plugins for DBP is nice

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Posted: 25th Oct 2007 12:10
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@Diggsey:
Yeah, s'pose I should. But still, I'm sure I'm speaking for a few people who might want to make a plugin, but not learn a whole new language because of that.
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It'd actually be quite a cool project:
Quote: "How to turn .DBA code into C++ code[b]
This means hardwiring each and every one of the DBPro functions into C++ code. Once you've done that, you can simply alter the syntax, but keep the semantics the same. Slightly longer, but much more efficient."


Y'know what, that [b]mightt actually work!!!
There are thousands of DBPro commands, though (wait, just creating program to calculate how many ) and someone/thing (making allowances for Hello Kit- I mean, tha_rabbi - I mean, tha_rami heh heh heh) would have to write a C++ equivalent for them. So, this'd be pretty hard, but also pretty rewarding... hmmmmm.......

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DarkGDK contains almost all the DBPro commands for C++. Theoretically it would be possible to create a program to automatically change the syntax to/from DarkBASIC/GDK.
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you know what you could do?
You could compile it into an exe, decompile it into c++ code, and yeah!

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Quote: "You could compile it into an exe, decompile it into c++ code, and yeah!"

Please tell me you're joking. Machine code doesn't just "decompile" into anything very readable.

@Eevil Weevil:
While it's a good thing to learn C++, it's not necessary to use it to create plugins for DBP. You could also use Delphi or PureBasic. There are lots of other alternatives as well.

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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 12:16
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@Eevil Weevil -
If you don't want to make plugins with C++ then get PurePlugin which allows you to create DBP plugins with Purebasic. Purebasic is around $99, and is WELL worth the price. It is an extremely powerful language that creates small EXEs and DLLs and has Basic syntax.

Making a DBP EXE into a DLL is really pointless, because it will be even slower than the native DBP code. You're adding layers of abstraction to the original EXE, each one making it slower and slower. The purpose of a plugin is to encapsulate commands and to speed them up. It would be an awful lot of trouble for no reason, because nobody would use plugins made like that.

Quote: "Y'know what, that mightt actually work!!!"

If you wanted to make a DBP>C++ converter you would have to do it yourself, and that would mean you'd have to learn C++ anyway.


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Posted: 28th Nov 2007 19:44
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@Cash Curtis II & hyrichter:

Ty for the info on Delphi, and PurePlugin.
Quote: "Making a DBP EXE into a DLL is really pointless, because it will be even slower than the native DBP code. You're adding layers of abstraction to the original EXE, each one making it slower and slower. The purpose of a plugin is to encapsulate commands and to speed them up. It would be an awful lot of trouble for no reason, because nobody would use plugins made like that.
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. Good point, although there could be a way around it of converting DBPro code first in C++ then into C++
Quote: "If you wanted to make a DBP>C++ converter you would have to do it yourself, and that would mean you'd have to learn C++ anyway.
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Yeah, the 'idea' was just a hypothesis

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Quote: "Can you make a .dll out of an .exe ?"


Open it in notepad, then "save as..." and then type your filename + ".dll"
And then you have a DLL :-p

I don't guarantee it'll work though...

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Posted: 1st Dec 2007 01:44
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its not possible

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Quote: "Open it in notepad, then "save as..." and then type your filename + ".dll"
And then you have a DLL :-p"


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Quote: "Just because a puppy is brown and bounces in the grass doesn't mean you should go kick it over a field goal..."


Lol, THAT's a funny idea...

But as everyone is saying, I also think it's impossible. But I once did see a program that could extract DLL's from an executable (I think).

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Quote: "(making allowances for Hello Kit- I mean, tha_rabbi - I mean, tha_rami heh heh heh)"

Crap, even on boards I don't frequent.


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Posted: 23rd Dec 2007 22:04 Edited at: 18th May 2008 10:56
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Quote: "Crap, even on boards I don't frequent."

Yup, no escape from the eil.

Anyone got anything else to say?

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