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FPSC Classic Product Chat / An alternative to ButterCutter....

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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 01:51
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http://www.prismatoid.de/fpscreator/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1654&forum=3

Above is a link to where a guy in the German FPSC forums appears to be ripping off buttercutter,(the commercial picture has replaced the scissors with shears........

If I turn out to have misunderstood the whole thing, I'm sorry.
My German is quite basic.

Anyway I guessed ButterFingers would be interested to see a guy ripping off his work.....

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butyouman
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nooo hes not riping him off he made somthing and hes sharing it.

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Hardcore
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 05:25
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How do you know what to download? I don't speak German?
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Keo C
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 05:55
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Quote: "How do you know what to download?"

The D/L comes on the 31st.


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muggins majik
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 06:33
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Looks like ButterFingers has a rival to keep him on his toes and this guy has just given away a free Xmas version (how strange).
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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 13:16
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Quote: "nooo hes not riping him off he made somthing and hes sharing it."


Sorry,sorry.....

As I said:

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If I turn out to have misunderstood the whole thing, I'm sorry.
My German is quite basic.
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Corky
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 15:54
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Maybe butters should make his free *hint *hint, Im just kidding butters, but to let you know im going to have to go with this guys.

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CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 16:12
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Quote: "but to let you know im going to have to go with this guys."


Yeh, 'cos it's free!

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Captain Kirk
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 16:35
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Yeah! Good to hear that there is a free alternative. buttercutter is a bit expensive.
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Corky
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 17:01
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Quote: "buttercutter is a bit expensive."

Please dont start this again.
*runs and hides behind a wall

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Captain Kirk
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 18:26
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What again? I only wrote my opinion.
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Corky
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 19:08
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Quote: "What again? I only wrote my opinion."

I know but on the original butter cutter thread, everybody argued about the price, I agree with you though.

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Opposing force
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 20:54
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Quote: "*runs and hides behind a wall"


And Butter cutters will make a hole in the and we will see you.

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Corky
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 21:10
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Quote: "And Butter cutters will make a hole in the and we will see you. "

lol

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Seth Black
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 21:23
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...I bought Butter Cutter, but I'm still glad to see that someone else is making a similar product available.

Competition is always a good thing.


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KeithC
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 21:38
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Will there be an English version available?



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Seth Black
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:09
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Quote: "Will there be an English version available?"


...dunno if the pack will be in english, or not.

You can read the entire site in english, though, if you run it through babel-fish.

I'm sure that one could also run various components through babel-fish, and get translations.

Thanks,

Seth Black


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Corky
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:10
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You Could Just manually translate it, it wouldn't be that hard would it?

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Seth Black
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Posted: 16th Dec 2007 22:57
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...no, wouldn't be hard at all. A little time consuming, but not hard.


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Benjamin
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It'd be a bit hard if you didn't know the language.

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muggins majik
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 05:45
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Google can also translate the site.
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Butter fingers
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 15:54
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Oh well.

It's good to know I'm a trend setter. Even the germans and the French are biting my style! At least they're not just putting my product up on warez sites.

I don't really mind to be honest guys. There's not alot of info on the thread about whats in the pack. I doubt there will be as much stuff as in ButterCutter, but who knows?!

Ha! I just translated it, and the only bit that bugs me is this:

Quote: "I look forward to the total Cutter After Realease Butter Fingers will not earn much more. Now we have a reason to be happy New Year"


Waaaaah? So they're all gonna be happy because I'm not making any more money. grrr.

Oh well. New pack is in the works as we speak.

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Corky
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 15:56
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Ha ha, oh they must hate you butters

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fallen one
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 17:00
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Quote: "Oh well. New pack is in the works as we speak."


I hope its the traps pack?

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tschwarz
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 18:16
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That is just wrong. It's difficult to think of new ideas and implement them. It's easy and sleazy to blatantly copy some one elses ideas. Shame on them and shame on the person that used butters cutters in the subject line of this post to promote it. To bad these people can't think on their own, then we might have a wide variety of things to choose from instead of cheap knock offs.
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Butter fingers
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 18:17
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you're hoping right buddy.

so far I have:

flame pit, flame wall, and burning pipes in various shapes and sizes.
circular saws that move along the floor. A jackinthebox clown that pops out of the floor with a gun. moving spike walls (indiana jones style). Arrow traps from the walls. Scifi electric traps (similar to the flamey ones), there's gonna be a bunch more.

I'm really having a few issues keeping it simple. I think I may just have to include a manual that tells you how to set up the trigger zones etc to make it work.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 18:27
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Quote: ""I look forward to the total Cutter After Realease Butter Fingers will not earn much more. Now we have a reason to be happy New Year""

They actually said that? There's a difference between a little competition and what they are doing. If they want to bother making their own version of ButterCutters, that's one thing...but what has Butters done to piss anyone off (besides make tools for the community and help out in many other areas)?

I was going to offer to put this tool up in the sticky in the Models and Media section, but not after a comment like that.

-Keith



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xplosys
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 19:57
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Quote: "I look forward to the total Cutter After Realease Butter Fingers will not earn much more. Now we have a reason to be happy New Year"


It sounds like that comment came from a forum user, and not necessarily the re-creator of the not-yet-re-created program. Time will tell what it and it's creator turn out to be, as no one has even seen it yet.

Best.

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Zilla
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 20:48
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Quote: "I was going to offer to put this tool up in the sticky in the Models and Media section, but not after a comment like that."


I can understand German and this comment was not from the author of the software. It came from another user of this forum.

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Cheese Cake
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Thats just sad...
Why does anyone wants to stop the hard work of another?
I mean...why does anyone wants to make the "exact" same product...
(of course much lower quality etc...)
for the only goal to ruin someone else's hard work...

I think they deserved to be cutted with the Butter Cutter.

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Quote: "for the only goal to ruin someone else's hard work..."


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Damn Germans. First D-day, now THIS!?! I kid, but that really pisses me off, as I'm sure it does Butters. I would go with Butters pack because:
He has the integrity not to steal someone elses idea
The convenience of purchasing,etc.
Would be better quality
What would Butters do without our precious money in his Swiss bank account?

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Reality Forgotten
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the last couple of posts are a bit off i think. as Zilla stated the comments were not made by the creator of the program in question.

Quote: "I mean...why does anyone wants to make the "exact" same product..."


Funny... Follow the link posted below. It's a list of companies selling anti-virus software.....All these guys must be crazy! Imagine a world with only one of each software/program type......

http://www.findapp.com/fMgmt/products.aspx?C=369

Quote: "Would be better quality"


That's a mighty bold comment to make, isn't it? Stop snorkeling and let this other project bloom, you never know you may like it more. You will never know unless you give it a chance.

Cheers,
Dave


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Ross tra damus
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 22:56 Edited at: 17th Dec 2007 22:57
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Theres nothing wrong with healthy competition as long as it's all legal and no fighting words are used.
If it's released free then thats even better for FPSC users.
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Reality Forgotten - Not a good analogy for a small community. Though, not legally wrong still not good practice. I am sure if someone copied FPSCreator Lee would not be happy with all the research and hard work he put into it. But, good to know you don't care if any of your unique work that goes up for sale gets copied.

I won't be checking this thread again.. said my thoughts, period.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2007 23:41
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Quote: "Damn Germans. First D-day, now THIS!?! I kid, but that really pisses me off"


Your racist comment pissed me off.If you thought it was funny you'll find the ban you have received even funnier.
Degrading a whole race for the actions of one person or a few people is not only insulting but shows the limited intelligence of the person doing the degrading.
It is 2007...almost 2008.The time for inbred,backwater racist crap is gone.It's unacceptable in our society and it is unacceptable on these forums.
I'll leave the post as is...so everybody can see how they can get their own ban and how bigots act and why it is inappropriate and disgusting.
I have no patience for racism.Period.

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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tschwarz.
Quote: "Reality Forgotten - Not a good analogy for a small community. Though, not legally wrong still not good practice. I am sure if someone copied FPSCreator Lee would not be happy with all the research and hard work he put into it. But, good to know you don't care if any of your unique work that goes up for sale gets copied."

Exactly!
You spoke the words out of my mouth.

Sorry Reality forgotten....
But those Virus scanner software isnt quite comparible to a media pack...

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All this whining about copying when butters himself said he's cool with it (excepting that anti-butter-fingers comment) seems silly to me. Should we get rid of all MP FPS games because they copy Doom? Saying it is not comparable is silly as well. How is it not comparable? Explain in more detail if you think I'm incorrect. {Edit}On second thought, this ain't a fight I want to be in the middle of.
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Agreed. That was extremely racist. My best friend is German, he doesn't go around drawing nazi (I don't capitalize nazi) symbols or talking about killing Jewish and such. That was a stupid mistake, joking or not.
Quote: "Your racist comment pissed me off.If you thought it was funny you'll find the ban you have received even funnier.
Degrading a whole race for the actions of one person or a few people is not only insulting but shows the limited intelligence of the person doing the degrading.
It is 2007...almost 2008.The time for inbred,backwater racist crap is gone.It's unacceptable in our society and it is unacceptable on these forums.
I'll leave the post as is...so everybody can see how they can get their own ban and how bigots act and why it is inappropriate and disgusting.
I have no patience for racism.Period.
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Not to argue against you Fred and Darmic, but I think it was a joke. I do agree with you though, that was racist, but maybe you could maybe be a little less harsh on him. I dont think you should ban him for this. Just give him a warning.

Quote: "My best friend is German"

Mine to!

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I wish I knew how to speak German its a neat language.

Quote: "If you thought it was funny you'll find the ban you have received even funnier."

I hope this doesn't get me banned but, LOL.

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Wow, Freds always banned me with a Thats all I will say.

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Quote: "Reality Forgotten - Not a good analogy for a small community. Though, not legally wrong still not good practice. I am sure if someone copied FPSCreator Lee would not be happy with all the research and hard work he put into it. But, good to know you don't care if any of your unique work that goes up for sale gets copied."


Your funny...

Sure TGC would be mad, though in a sense all drag and drop game makers are one in the same with the exception of small ad-ons?

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I have thought about this and reconsidered and decided to lift the ban.I am still not happy about the racist comment but under the circumstances I will just call it a misunderstanding and let it go.I admit I was a little harsh.

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Quote: "Wow, Freds always banned me with a Thats all I will say.
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You never posted anything like that.
Please remember I have no patience for racism and neither does any other mod.The problem has been addressed and taken care of.

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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Butter fingers
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WOW.

Put down the BFG9000s guys.

Like I said, I'm totally cool with this guy making and selling this.
The comment was made by a user, not the creator!

As I said, it's totally fine.... I've made alot of sales, and I'm happy with the return I got on ButterCutter.

Thanks for you support though!

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You just seem to attract attention,Butters.I guess when people start copying your ideas and you've started the Umbra game genre you have garnered some fans.Sorry about all of the aggravation.
We really do mean well.

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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Quote: "Damn Germans. First D-day, now THIS!?! I kid, but that really pisses me off, as I'm sure it does Butters. I would go with Butters pack because:"
He said I kid, but none the less, it was an exceedingly stupid thing to say.EDIT: Didn't realize there was a second page now that butters has spoken I hope everything cools down.


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I think a formal apology is needed here. I didn't mean to offend, and I certainly didn't mean to be racist. I wasn't thinking about the impact of my words. As usual, I was making what I thought to be a light joke. When I think of Germany, I naturally think of WWII. Not in a bad way, just word association. I am aware of Nazism from 1939-45 and the stranglehold it had on an innocent country, but at the time of writing, this simply didn't occur to me.

But anyway, I apologise and will think before I speak in the future.

Oh, and thanks for lifting the ban, Fred.

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You were man enough to apologize and admit your mistake.That goes a long way...

Please have mercy and use the search function.
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For some reason seeing a site for FPSC site in diffrent languiges scares me.I know i spelt a word or two wrong.

Who are you and why are you here?
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