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Kangaroo2
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Posted: 21st Jul 2003 03:16 Edited at: 21st Jul 2003 03:21
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Please download this and test it for me, on my 1800, 512Mb, GForce4MX, WinXP machine I get around 1500fps !

Here's a screenshot:


Here's the download, its only about 0.5Mb Zipped
http://www.quikly.com/sonicdemo/sonicdemo.zip

Basically its Sonic, and you control with the arrow keys, hopefully he runs up and down a very hilly level with perfect collision and 2 layers of paralax.

The reason I expected this to run far worse than it does is because the level isn't a tile based system, its simply one big picture, so therfore should eat memory and I am worried that on a slower machine or less powerful graphics card it will run jerkily or at the wrong speed, otherwise it seems to good to be true, as its a very simple method, and practically no code...

Anyways, all feedback appreciated, a big Thank You in advance Oh and no I'm not making a Sonic game I just ripped the graphics quickly to test my collision method

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Sonic here to test your sonic game!

Well that was a waste of time! sonic just falls straight through the floor as soon as level appears never to be seen again!!!!!

Also confused as to how you get more than capped 60fps in full screen exclusive mode as fps is linked to monitor refresh rate which is 60 on my pc.

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He just falls straight through the floor here too


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works fine 4 me 800 fps 1.7 ghz 512 ram ge4ce 4 mxb 128mb(ithink)
i edited the level but he wont stop at walls

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I fell through

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Nice Demo all works well (except it ends too soon) do any controls work except the left right arrows?

Exclusive mode 650 to 800 fps
Window Mode 340 to 350 fps

at 350 it is too slow!!
you could change the increment of movement in inverse proportion to the framerate

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Posted: 21st Jul 2003 04:32 Edited at: 21st Jul 2003 04:32
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Works fine for me.
He walks too slow! Where's his jump!

I get only 204 FSEM, 121 WDM.

And are you gonna tell us how you did it?

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Posted: 21st Jul 2003 04:34 Edited at: 21st Jul 2003 04:35
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Works fine here as well! I get 1115 FPS in Fullscreen exclusive mode!
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Oh.. I know how you did it! You used a certain color as "Ground" color and checked if he hit it. But how did you get the image data. Point? Memblocks?

I did notice though (after I edited the level), that if he hits the ground color at two parts of his body, he gets stuck. It can't be too hilly.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2003 05:16 Edited at: 21st Jul 2003 05:29
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Wow thanks guys, fast response

Hmmm ok thats 5 people it worked for and 3 people it didn't

Yes it is based on color, using the point() command. However you should find that the levels can be as steep as you want, he'll climb a vertical wall!! Only the green and yellow colors used in the grass are collision colours tho, strictly those exact colours, any other yellow or green won't work, like those in the trees And he only collides with the middle of his feet for the purpose of this demo.

I'm seriously confused as to why the collision detection doesn't work for some people - Sonic, Rob K and Intermidiate Newbie, (the guys who he fell through the floor for ) Would you please tell me your specs? Especially your graphics cards? I have a feeling it may be because it checks for collisions before syncing and for some reason thats making it read incorrectly - other than that I have NO idea

I'll try making a new exe file with the syncing before the collision detection and see whether that helps. Really hope I can fix this to work properly as its so speedy

[edit] I just tried changing the sync command to after drawing the background and sprite but before checking collisions, and now he falls straight through the floor for me! so thats no good, Would perhaps locking the pixels before checking do any good? I'm open to suggestions as I'd really like this to work for everybody

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Hrmmmm. I am new to DB....can you tell me how you made the collision so he don't fall through?

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I noticed most of the fast comps worked fine so I tested it on my slow one...I got 85 fps...a little laggy thought

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Point???
Wouldn't it be much faster with memblocks?

And when I said he gets stuck, that's when there is a "V" shaped valley.

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Posted: 21st Jul 2003 05:45 Edited at: 21st Jul 2003 05:46
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Yes it would, especially for multiple points BUT this demo took me all of an hour, just too test my theory (its less than 20 lines of code ). If it worked well I was gong to write a proper routine

Maybe it's a problem with the point command, and saving the screen as a memblock and then getting the data from that would eliminate the problem, I should look into it. Obviously that would take longer than just an hour fiddling around though, and I originally just wanted to see if it was viable.

However the fact that it doesn't work at all for some people is kinda worrying

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Posted: 21st Jul 2003 06:06 Edited at: 21st Jul 2003 06:07
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I'm doing one now using memblocks. I'm trying to get it at least 2/3's faster as yours.

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I also wrote a routine that was based on the point(x,y) command. It worked great on about a dozen different machines but then tried it on an IBM machine and got some very strange readings. Even though I set the video mode the IBM I got diferent values.

I would suggest you read the value at two known points and then compare the values you are looking for aginst these variables this should eliminate the variations

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Thank you, thats a great idea! Infact for the purpose of my ultimate excerise if that works, it'll make things a whole lot easier. Simple ideas are oftn the best My only hope is that the problem isn't a rendering one and that point() is actually returning a 0 as the screen hasn't rendered in time on some cards But thank you, I shall try that tomorrow and post a new exe which will hopefully work for everybody

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Ok just ran it and I had the problem of falling through the floor, Frame rates on full screen exclusive were 2400 and on windowed 512. For machine specs check below. Also wondering what patches everyone was running for the test. I think this machine is patch 4, have to check with the resident geeek.... umm I mean mr_Flibble

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Kangaroo2,

Same problem with falling hoglet, but on Exclusive mode, 395fps, in windowed mode, 90fps.

Spec for testing machine is:-

Intel Celeron 1200Mhz, Windows XP, Intel(R) 82810E Graphics Adaptor (Onboard), 128MB Ram.

I will also test it on the machine spec'd on my signature

MSI/AMD Athlon 1300, 256Mb, 60GbHD, SoundBlaster Live!, GeForce 4 MX440-64Mb, Win2K, DX9, DarkBASIC Pro(PUv4.1)
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Works fine in Window mode (the 777 FPS seems way to much - are you calling SCREEN FPS multiple times !?). FSEX is around 312 and works fine too...

Its with my GeForce4MX 2.2Ghz P4 works machine (DX9.0a). I'll try my home computers later.


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Ok my bad.... I asked what patches duh...wasnt thinking straight earlier. Of course patches dont come into it, already compiled.... Think I will have to pay more attention in future.

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on mine I got 335 fps in fullscreen exclusive mode, though sonic just falls rght down out of the screen.

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My desktop is always in 32-bit mode - is that the answer/problem ?


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and the graphics look nowt like your picture, unless that's from the real sonic

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Thanks everyone.

Toady, glad it works for you, and no the fps rate really is that high, its only called once a loop The reason it might not look it is because I have the Sonic animation and the scroll speed moving at intervals of so many frames per second, hopefully to make it run at a sensible speed on most systems - I I just set it without this restriction it moves so fast on mine I can hardly even see it!

It may be to do with forced screen depth modes or refresh rates, that may effect the result of the point command I can try again with the new suggestion as before, unfortunately I'm out most of today, but I'll try it on later tonight

[Edit} Shady, you said the graphics don't look like the screenshot, which is seriously strange, as the shot was taken directly from the demo, and you can see yourself from the media included what the sprites and background should look like What do they look like for you? Can you email me a screen shot? (If you have Win XP just press 'Print Screen' key then paste it into a paint package )

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Sam, here are my specs:

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K2 - You might have found a bug that Lee must know about...


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Rob - Thanks

Toady - you might be right - unless there's a simple explanation this might be a relatively serious bug. I'll contact Lee with my source code if my next exe doesn't clear up the problem.

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I changed to 16-bit graphics mode, and poor ol' Sonic fell through the land...


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Straight through the floor. 80-85 FPS Windowed. 145-150 FPS Exclusive.

Interestingly enough I created a similar collision system for my very first game (2D RPG in VB), although it used BitBlt and two images - One was the visible map the user saw, the other was a colour coded collision map, black would be impassable, you'd walk behind blue and other colours resembled items that you could pickup. It used the GetPixel() command and was fairly fast (40 FPS on a P166) for BitBlt. Both systems have their advantages, yours obviously because there isn't the hassle of 2 images (i.e. less design time, memory used, HD space used) but mine means less programming goes into defining every colour you can't walk over.

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I don't think it is a bug - more a tech issue. Run it in 16 and then 32 bit mode - maybe you need to check for a range of colours rather than a specific one.


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I just moved the ground down in the bmp so when it loads the level you see him start in midair and then fall through the ground so I'm pretty sure it hasn't got something to do with checking before sync. To double check this I filled the whole map in the exact same yellow and yet again he falls through so I think Rob has got the right idea, it can't match the exact colour.

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Laptop specs where he falls thru (tried all sorts of resolutions):
P4 2.53G, 256MB, ATI Mobility Radeon 9000 (64mb - catalyst 3.5), xp home

When I get home from work I shall try on 2 different desktop pc's.

I think your problem is possibly with point command. Rob K and I had similar problems doing a flood-fill thingy for Spectre's paintpot proggy (http://www.darkbasicpro.com/apollo/view.php?b=1&t=9985&p=0).

Remember point's have to be stored in a DWORD for accurate results.

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I think I see a pattern.
Program works with NVidia
Falls through with Radeon

Question : Kangaroo2 did you write it on an NVidia machine
Question : Did you set the mode, its possible that NVid and Rad default to different Modes

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i get a FPS of 2450 in full-screenmode and 850 in window mode.

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Oh - it can fail on Nvidia machines, Codger - it seems to be the desktop resolution that does it.


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Or maybe not - my 2Ghz P4 Ti4800 in FSEX mode caused Sonic to fall through - and I'm using 32-bit graphics mode...

Interesting problem...


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I have Nvidia

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Are you moving him multiple pixels per frame? If so, he may be skipping entirely the pixels you're checking for collision against... This would vary based on the speed of the machine...

A better solution is to figure out how much you want to move him, then trace a line along that vector to make sure it wont hit anything solid... Then move him... If while tracing you hit something solid, move him only that far....

It's kinda like walking in a dark room... You could just run, or you could put you're hand out in front of you and detect the collision before it happens!

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1700-1725 FPS
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really needs more speed. Its SONIC!

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560-580 ish in Full-Screen Mode (No Sonic just scrolls background)
0-7ish FPS in Window Mode (Sonic appears then falls down of screen)

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Have probs on my game with FPS too that im working on. Using a BSP made level (collision sorted and is perfect :o) but when I first load after switching pc on get a good 60FPS but after a few compiles goes down to around 7 FPS !!! :o( O well its all fun ;oP

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after quitting the program flush video memory. that will stop your prob

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cheers darkfluff much appriciated

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It's harder than I thought. I was trying to read the level from the bottom up, and find the hightst point of a certain color, and save it in an array (Groundheight(levelwidth)). For some reason, it dosen't want to read the memblock data right.

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1200fps in fullscreen, 560fps windowed. Unfortunately, Sonic falls through the floor with me, too! Shouldn't he go "Duh-Duuuuh!" and do his little death animation when that happens?

Anyway, specs: Pentium 4 2.4ghz, 512mb RAM, Radeon 9000 Pro 128mb, 32-bit display mode.

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FPS doubled when I had my desktop in 16-bit mode but sonic fell through the floor

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i had another faller
fps average of 478 in Full and a 209 in windowed

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and a buncha other tid bit crap...

i'll test it on my laptop tomorrow

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Quote: "Are you moving him multiple pixels per frame? If so, he may be skipping entirely the pixels you're checking for collision against"

I tried filling the whole map in the collision colour and he falls through so that can't be the problem.

Quote: "Such a shame, I'd love to see a DB Sonic game! But, is Sonic as cool as Knuckles? Tough one, that..."

He's not making a sonic game, he just ripped the graphics to test his collision

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Well, he just fell through the ground, but....

In Windowed mode I got 534FPS
In Full screen exclusive mode I got 2399FPS (That isn't a typo. I was surprised too)

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It works fine in 32bit mode, in 16bit mode he falls through. Did this both on exclusive, and windowed.


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Was getting 1200 exclusive, 350 Windowed

My theory is since you do it based on color the color has a different numerical value in 16bit mode, than it does in 32bit mode.

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