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Jeku
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Posted: 2nd Jul 2009 23:21
Well, I'm just letting you all know about this because there's been a lot of discussion about Fallout 3 on the forums. You've got until Sunday night or Monday to buy this awesome game if you don't have it already. With the $25 you save you can buy 2.5 DLC packs with their own sidequests

I'm still trudging along through the Fallout 3 universe myself, but thought I'd let you all know.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/22300/

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2009 23:25
Ugh, Fallout 3 Must be most bug filled game ever. I first got it not to run then i found out that i need to disable heads because they use shaders that dont work on all GPU's after that i got CTD's after few minutes of playing. I found out that i had to force the game to use 2 threads. Now it works but it is still bloated and crashes after some hours of playing. Not forgetting the awful "Games for Windows Live". There seems to also be some memory leaks. And old Oblivion bugs. Also annoying bug with save games getting corrupted and when you try to load them they crash your game.

All these issues and still the game is frigging amazing with lots of mods!
You wont get it this cheap, so buy it!

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2009 23:35 Edited at: 2nd Jul 2009 23:36
Roxas, have you looked at the unofficial patches cause they solve a lot of bugs I hear?

Jeku, I'm still going through this also, currently testing out the various amazing mods that have been made for it.

Btw check these out: Top 50 Mods (Fallout 3 Nexus)

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Posted: 2nd Jul 2009 23:39
Quote: "Roxas, have you looked at the unofficial patches cause they solve a lot of bugs I hear?"


Haven't tried it, from looking at the images it seems to just affect on some visual parts of games as info does not have any information what it fixes and so on. Well I'm gonna download it and try. The game runs acceptable for me if we forgot about the crashes after while of playing or flickering which ends in crash after while. There is two big issues that i hate right now. If i put usefacegenheads=1 i get crash, and when i enter West Residence house, i get crash. So i can't complete 1 quest in this game Otherwise I've played happily at level 20. And then my save corrupted ...

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 00:05
Double post, @Sasuke
Thanks the game seems to work much smoother now. And water looks much better now. I'm gonna try if its going to crash if i enabled heads now.. Hopefully crashes are now less frequent.


Don't mind the player skin, it's been always like that :/ Sometimes it's normal.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 00:11
Ah it's only PC though.

Still an awesome...first game to really immerse me since I was 13.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 00:19
Quote: "Thanks the game seems to work much smoother now. And water looks much better now. I'm gonna try if its going to crash if i enabled heads now.. Hopefully crashes are now less frequent."


No prob, hopefully all is well from now on or better than it was.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 00:26
Well the heads still cause crash. I only see visual improvements really and bit smoother gameplay

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 01:25
As there's no demo I can't see how crap it'll run on my PC, so I won't be getting it.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 01:36
Fallout 3 sucks just like Bethesda
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 01:38 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 01:39
Haven't tried Fallout yet, but I probably will have to since Oblivion was my favorite game ever.

And what's "Steam" other than the gas form of water?

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 01:59
Quote: "And what's "Steam" other than the gas form of water?"


Use Google. I've heard you ask what blogs were in another thread too.

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Quote: "I've heard you ask what blogs were in another thread too."


What can I say? I'm old fashioned and I don't buy into most of modern electronic technology (except computers and video games, of course). And I don't really like using Google, I've gotten craploads of viruses from Google (from sites that I got to from Google, not actually from Google itself).

Yes I'm strange, that much I'll admit.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 02:31
Quote: "And I don't really like using Google, I've gotten craploads of viruses from Google (from sites that I got to from Google, not actually from Google itself)."


Well I use Google about 3,000 times a day and haven't had a virus outbreak since 1999. I'd suggest updating your virus scanner and don't visit dodgy sites.

But anyways... yah... Fallout 3 woo

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 03:29
Fallout 3 is a great game! I really enjoyed it, also I never had any serious issues running it. It's worth checking out at least.

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Quote: "What can I say? I'm old fashioned and I don't buy into most of modern electronic technology (except computers and video games, of course). And I don't really like using Google, I've gotten craploads of viruses from Google (from sites that I got to from Google, not actually from Google itself)."


You program don't you? Programming and computers are like a gateway drug, it leads to knowledge about other things. You obviously must have taken the initiative to learn new skills with computers (as PCs are fairly new themselves once you really think about it) so at what point did you shut off your learning intake and just stayed at the same plateau? It's not like we have a problem leaving you behind with all this new-age Google stuff all the kids are using, I'm just curious why someone would purposely not be curious about new things when they're already involved with coding/video games etc.

Or maybe I'm just over thinking all of it and you're just grumpy and negative when it comes to anything after 1999.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 04:08
I would totally buy it if I had the money - getting paid monday, too bad.

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Quote: "Programming and computers are like a gateway drug, it leads to knowledge about other things."


Perhaps that knowledge about other techy things will come eventually, but do I really care? I view games as an art form, just like movies and books. So by learning programming and game creation stuff I'm just being an artist, not being dragged into the world of modern computer techy crap in general.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 06:24
Well either way, I salute anyone who can spend hours writing code but is unsuccessful in using Google with getting viruses every time. That's like knowing all the intricate details of how a car's parts might work but not actually knowing how to get behind the wheel and steer it.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 06:52
Fallout is awesome!


...but i've already played through the console version, buying the computer version would be a waste of money for me

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Thanks Jeku, I wanted to get FO3 for a while, and this half off chance is awesome, I now own Fallout 3!

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 07:54
This game is seriously my favourite game of all time. Great story, great characters, great gameplay, great community, great mods, it has it all. This will remain a classic in my book.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 07:57
"LOL" good one.
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I like Bethesda and their games, but from a distance. If that makes any sense... Like, I can watch my friend play through Oblivion or Fallout 3 for hours, but when I actually sit down and play it, it gets old fast. Does anyone else have that feeling with their games?

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Quote: "Does anyone else have that feeling with their games?"


No.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 11:15
Fallout 3 is quite an enjoyable game, though I wish when I got it it was going for $25 because I wouldn't have needed to trade in Crysis, Assassin's Creed and Bioshock to afford it. Mind you I tried to get it pretty much on day of release.

It's worth buying, even if BRH says its crap without given any real kind of criticism or any reasons why. The story-line is enjoyable for a video game, there are some pretty cool moments, particularly when you come to the end - though I'll give no spoilers. Also, I'm kind of good friends with Fawkes, though sadly on my evil play-through he doesn't want to hang out with me. So what if I blew up Megaton and slaughtered everybody in Tenpenny tower?


Quote: "I like Bethesda and their games, but from a distance. If that makes any sense... Like, I can watch my friend play through Oblivion or Fallout 3 for hours, but when I actually sit down and play it, it gets old fast. Does anyone else have that feeling with their games?"


You're like my house-mate, though he enjoys playing a lot of games himself, but he just finds it fascinating watching me play games, usually stuff that's plot driven like the Final Fantasy games, the Lost Odyssey or even games that are considerably cruel to play like Abe's Odyssey and Exodus; I think I must have cursed several times in my recent play through and I'm sure that's quite amusing to watch as I'm a guy who very rarely gets annoyed.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 12:46 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 12:48
Fallout 3 rocks! I'd advise instead of updating to the latest version, update to 1.0.0.15 (the last one before they started breaking everything) and then install this (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3808) and this. (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4635) You might also be interested in this. (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2456) With this setup (at the start of the game, don't try and continue a savegame with these patches!) I've been playing it solidly about four hours a day for a week now on my system with a 1.8gHz Athlon, 1Gb of RAM, a nVidia 6200 (yep, that's six models below minimum reccomended and yep it's very playable) and not one crash or otherwise problem.

I got it preowned for the equivalent of $25...

Has anyone here tried playing the game as a kid using the console command player.raceage -1 and the mods to remove the limitations? Nothing more awesome than a 10 year old blowing a Super Mutant Behemoth to kingdom come!

Roxas, could those issues be caused by WINE in part? I remember the huge trees bug in Oblivion. http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/0/01/Oblivion_Wine_SpeedTree_glitch.jpg

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I love Fallout3, but I only play it on the 360, no show-stopping bugs in that, in fact I think any problems I've had are due to scratches on the disc.

Ohh there is one bug that annoys me, vault 87, the one that you get to by going through Little Lamplight - it won't register that I found Vault87 and I've been there half a dozen times and searched every nook and every cranny. So it means I can't have my 100% location achievement, I found everywhere else! - seems a bit cruddy that I spent the time finding them all, only to find it's impossible!.
I'm not sure why they did it like that - if you try and go to the main entrance of vault 87 you die from radiation, and if you get inside and find the main entrance, you open the big cog door and there's nothing on the other side!. They should have made the vault complete, so these problems can't happen - I see that as a major cop-out, fair enough, force the player to take a different route, but then if someone is cheating, if they have god mode on - what then?. I don't think they'll find an entrance, when really that should be an option, if only to let the play get inside, find the real entrance, go outside again, and die horribly from radiation. At least that way it might feel less disjointed. Little Lamplight is cool, and Vault87 is cool, so that's quite a big part of the game, it's where you meet Fawkes and get the GECK device - I just think it's a bit of a shame that the allowed such an obvious bug to sit there (I mean the cog door opening with nothing on the other side). Everyone is going to try and find the entrance, everyone will find the bug, nobody will unlock all locations. And even if they fixed the bug in a patch, it means I still have to go through Lamplight again.

Besides that it's an amazing game that I have to restrict to playing at the weekend, I start playing, get engrossed, and before I know it I have 3 hours before I need to go to work. I think the newest download looks the best so far, has a great Deliverance feel to it, maybe they should have replaced that old cow with the violin with a creepy, mutant hill billy with a banjo.

Anyhoo, I tell everyone I know who likes these games to buy it, the little niggles here and there, like the one I ranted for half an hour on, well they are little chinks in a massive game, if the game was to be 100% bug free then we'd still be waiting on it. Buy it now, and persevere, the game gets crazily addictive as soon as you have your own place and some interesting missions to do.


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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 13:31
Although it should run on here perfectly well (NVIDIA GT 130) and the price is great (£13.45) I'm sort of put out that there's no demo - which is really odd for a game by a big developer/publisher

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 13:36
You can't make a demo of Fallout. How could you, it's a huge game and if you remove any one component you destroy it. Like Oblivion. No demo was released for either because you can't really reproduce the game in a demo without the whole game.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 14:13 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 14:13
I imagine a FO3 demo would be difficult to make given how the game works. Normally for me it's, no demo, no purchase for PC games (hence I've got FarCry 2 on the console instead of the PC). But I figured as Oblivion ran smoothly, same company, same engine, they couldn't go wrong with it. I've noticed '0' bugs, it's a little resource heavy in the higher settings, so I play it at medium with little stuttering.

But I hear of a few bugs from other people, the unofficial patches are meant to clear up what the official ones do. I've not had to patch my version, so I'm happy. For ~£14, it's probably at least worth the impulse buy if you're interested in the game.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 15:02 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 15:03
Quote: "Roxas, could those issues be caused by WINE in part? I remember the huge trees bug in Oblivion. http://www.uesp.net/w/images/images.new/0/01/Oblivion_Wine_SpeedTree_glitch.jpg"


Nope, i have same problems under Windows XP when tested. Wine causes more unstably for the game tho (It crashes faster after while) But i guess its memory leak problem on latest Wine dev release. But heads don't work under XP, and the game crashes after while and save games get corrupted. So same problems =( Oh yeah the screen gets sometimes completely black and i have to restart. And not forgetting the Player skin texture issue :/

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 15:28
So what is your graphics card? It's possible you may be able to use tools such as 3DAnalyse to correct the issue. Pretty much the only problem I have with Bethesda's games is starting them up; sometimes they CTD immediately but after a few tries it suddenly clicks and works fine.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 15:45
Wow that's a big tree.

Nice find Jeku! You're like our resident Steam sniper or something.

Tempted to get this but I know it will run like crud on my current setup.

Might as well wait till I get a new system, by which time the game will already be a nice low price (that is, assuming I get a new system before the game becomes an antique where we live in a world where we have computers in our disposable Bic biros).



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Man I've got to get this. Thanks for posting this!
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Quote: "So what is your graphics card? It's possible you may be able to use tools such as 3DAnalyse to correct the issue."


Nvidia 8600 GT, i look into 3Danalyze thanks!

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 18:49
Uh... how can that card specifically have problems? I have a friend with a 8300 (sort of the same card but slower) and it works fine.

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Quote: "You're like my house-mate, though he enjoys playing a lot of games himself, but he just finds it fascinating watching me play games, usually stuff that's plot driven like the Final Fantasy games, the Lost Odyssey or even games that are considerably cruel to play like Abe's Odyssey and Exodus; I think I must have cursed several times in my recent play through and I'm sure that's quite amusing to watch as I'm a guy who very rarely gets annoyed. "


I love the Final Fantasy series and actually play those games. It's just the stuff that Bethesda makes that can't keep me hooked. Actually, final fantasy has that problem too sometimes. It took me a while to get the motivation to finish FFX and FFXII.

Fallout 3 and Oblivion weren't fun IMO. Unless your just going to screw around in the world by throwing pop cap mines off a balcony, jumping off the balcony and try to explode yourself back onto the balcony like my friend did then I just don't see the excitement factor.

The story is cool, the universe is cool, the quests are mostly cool. There are some parts that ARE really fun, like when my friend discovered a hospital and raided it (I think there were people on the roof IIRC?) and I really wanted to put it into FPS mode and go in guns blazing.

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Final Fantasy got boring after FF6. Fallout 3 was original.
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 19:31 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 19:32
Quote: "Uh... how can that card specifically have problems? I have a friend with a 8300 (sort of the same card but slower) and it works fine."


This computer is factory packed and i guess the card is modified version. And Fallout 3 is so poorly coded that it checks the GPU String instead of capabilities, i guess that brokes it.

Quote: "Final Fantasy got boring after FF6. Fallout 3 was original."

Fun, i found old FF's boring. The only good were 7-10 other ones are crap. 8 is still my favorite game.

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Quote: "8 is still my favorite"


heh I got 8 when I was like.... 6 or 7.... I think it was one of my first ever games and I had NO IDEA what was going on lol. I remember going to this giant town and fighting some summon or w/e on top of a tower and dying repetively. Hope if I played it now I'd do better

But yeah I agree with Toasty Fresh, Fallout 3 is probably my favorite game of all time. The main story has its moments, but all the side missions and just the feel of playing the game on my 42in 1080p television downstairs is epic; the deepest I've ever gotten into a game.
Take 25 dollars worth of quarters in an arcade; that's maybe a few hours. Take 25 dollars for fallout; thats like 200 hours...... ( I think I have a little over 200 by now......)

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 21:20 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 21:22
@Roxas
I found the first two Fallouts to be brilliant but boring, and Bethesda's engine really brought a great universe to life.



It would appear I spoke too soon. This happens whenever an autosave occurs but thankfully quicksaves are fine. Address 0x90000000.... IT'S OVER 9000

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Off topic, sort of - but I'm curious to know what programming error causes those "Memory cannot be read" dialogs - is it stack smashing or something?

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 21:48 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 22:07
Memory protection error. Usually by trying to do something with an invalid pointer. Basically, let's say you did this:



That would overwrite address 0x90000000 with 144. But chances are your program doesn't own 0x90000000. So this generates a protection fault and the program is halted. There's a great deal of ways this can happen from accidentally garbage collecting something that was needed or making mistakes when manually resizing memory.

A stack smash can trigger a protection fault but it's one of many, many potential causes. Without a good debugger it is impossible to tell what went wrong and even then you won't know exactly where the problem originated.

The joys of C/++..

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 22:38 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 22:40
Quote: "I found the first two Fallouts to be brilliant but boring"

Was actually talking about Final Fantasy, i have played Fallout 1, but it was long time ago and that was when i dint get into these sort of games yet.

Quote: "It would appear I spoke too soon. This happens whenever an autosave occurs but thankfully quicksaves are fine. Address 0x90000000.... IT'S OVER 9000"


I wonder if autosaves could be cause of save corruption aswell?

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Quote: "Final Fantasy got boring after FF6. Fallout 3 was original. "


Describe how Final Fantasy was/is not original, and describe how Fallout 3 is.

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2009 23:15 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2009 23:16
Hmm, I was modding the Pip-Boy to look like Windows for a joke and I came across what looks like screenshots of the beta Pip-Boy in the interface/shared folder. The radio is called COM and is tunable and the map looks like a sat nav rather than a map. There's also folder icons and bits of a music player; was it going to be much more versatile?

I've downscaled them from 720p and put them together.



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Quote: "That would overwrite address 0x90000000 with 144. But chances are your program doesn't own 0x90000000. So this generates a protection fault and the program is halted. There's a great deal of ways this can happen from accidentally garbage collecting something that was needed or making mistakes when manually resizing memory.
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Yeah, but a GPE would ordinarily cause just a generic crash - it would not necessarily create an error escalated by Windows into what appears to be a verb related thing (the fact that "read" is in quotes makes it sound as if it's a verb command given to explorer). The differentiator between regular vs. full blown Windows exploding is what I want to understand

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Posted: 4th Jul 2009 00:07 Edited at: 4th Jul 2009 00:24
Perhaps it depends upon what lies in that space? When writing my own C apps, those that tried to write to some areas of memory (usually above 0x80000000) triggered the same error as Fallout III, and some triggered the Send Error Report/Don't Send dialog.

The error message presented by Fallout III is worded like those that W9x presented and also has a classic theme.

EDIT:
Well, looky-dat! I was experimenting with a looping script to fill the map with lunchboxes when this happened! Two at once!



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Posted: 4th Jul 2009 02:57
NeX, that PipBoy looks sweet. Where'd you find it?

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