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traptor
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i bought 3 zombies ...i had to deinstall the fpsc and all my fpsc stuff . i installed my fpsc today and i saw that i can't download them anymore so if they will not come back in store i want my money back.
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Posted: 6th Oct 2009 19:48
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What I don't get is that USK (Germanys rating sytem) is one of the strictest rating systems in the world and it allowed a 16 rating. PEGI gave it a 12 with a Violence warning (And might i point out, no nudity/sex warning unlike ESRB). Personally I've always found the ESRB to be frankly outrangous with their ratings and I can't understand why TGC would push to get a ESRB rating when they have PEGI and USK already. (PEGI been one of the most respected systems used).

Also of note is, if their reasoning is to place it on the shelfs of stores then shouldent they also put the software forward for rating under the BBFC which is a requirement in the UK if they plan to sell it in UK stores. (FPS Creator wouldent be excempt from BBFC classification under Section 2 of the VRA, due to the violent nature the program can be used for i.e. shooting people/animals). Athlough the VRA is currently invalid and cant be enforced so...

I just would like some explination to the reasoning behind going for the ESRB rating I guess. My rant = over.
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Did everybody notice that model pack 22 is now called FPSC Gore Pack. Now there is no model pack 22.

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FPSC is used to make games it would be very odd I think to find a game that was rated mature and made by a 13yr old.
I can see the point here that models can be purchased elsewhere without any kind of rating, but I can also see the point where TGC has their hands tied because the content is for their game creation software.
The only real way around this is to have two versions of the program one being mature, this was almost in place with blood being disabled when you first bought the program and had to age verify (via the account holder) to be told how to enable it. TGC blew it I think, if they hadn't tried to find the easy way to keep the younger market they wouldn't be in this position now as I believe ESRB would not have felt they had to step in on this.
Its not hard to keep kids from buying the software as most times it is purchased by the parent (if bought in a store then the store should be held accountable for age verification) who could decide which version their child should have, most times it is by paypal or credit card which I believe means the account holder is 18yr or over anyhow so I actually dont get why TGC insisted on rating the software 13 in the first place except to say even someone so young could create a game with it, except numpty's like myself of course.

It does look like TGC tried to avoid ratings altogether but have now fallen foul of it all.
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Quote: "This is game creation software not a game
Exactly, and come to think of it this makes no sense to regulate 3d media through the esrb.
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See, here's the thing. They want double. They get money for rating the media and program, then money for rating released games. Interesting indeed.


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What a load of REMOVED, this is like games getting banned in Australia because of the lack of R 18+.

I feel sorry for people like bond, they're the victims here.


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Thank God I Back These Up! And I Got All Of Bond1 Zombies Here In My 3 HDDs...Thats Crazy Tho how They Where remove Without Warning...

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DanielWright: I agree completely.
I'm about sick of 'momma government'.

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I'm just wondering who asked ESRB to give FPSC a rating?

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Quote: "I'm about sick of 'momma government'."

thats why we have the second amendment.

the whole violence in video games "issue" is just... I don't know.
I mean some kids mom catches him playing "007" and she go's into rant mode say "oh god, it'll warp you! the horrendus graphic violence will turn you in to some cerial murderer!"
okay, 1st, if thats all you say to your kid when he plays some game, thats all you'll get out of him! mommy say, monkey do.

2nd, what does she say NEXT? "go read a book or somthing and stop playing that violent game!" okay mom... *picks up eragon* "...a mountan of bodies rose above them, the corpses stiff and grimacing.
their clothes were soaked in blood and the churned ground was stained with it. slaughterd men lay over the women they had tried to protect, mothers still clasped their children, and lovers who had tried to shield each other reasted in deaths cold embrace.
black arrows stuck out of them all. neither young nor old had been spared. but the worst of all was the barbed spear that rose out of the peak of the pile, impaling the white body of a baby"8-0
oh yeah, mom, god forbid a kids book have any violence in it.
they just don't seem to get it: you cant get rid of violence. it's just that simple. SO DON"T TRY AND LEAVE OUR VIDEO GAMES ALONE!!

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Posted: 8th Oct 2009 04:21 Edited at: 8th Oct 2009 14:26
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Quote: "i bought 3 zombies ...i had to deinstall the fpsc and all my fpsc stuff . i installed my fpsc today and i saw that i can't download them anymore so if they will not come back in store i want my money back."

Seriously? Calm down because we're ALL removed off about this. Show some decent sympathy PLEASE.


On another topic, what if we somehow made a poll, where if it receives 1000 something votes, it gets passed on (hard to do but still). After all, if they can get Joseph Konny arrested by this method, anything can happen! (I signed one, that man needs help)

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The only thing I really want to see happen is for fpscreator to be looked at and taken more seriously.Even though I do not use the software for game creation, I feel that it should be taken more seriously and not some kids toy. I was never appealed to the way fpscreator was marketed, even the website gives it a 12 year old age range look and feel. Fpscreator should be respected, as a fully fledged game creation software, even though it isn't all powerful, it should not be taken as a 'game' by itself.

I find, and regard the 'rating' of a game creation software highly inappropriate. The game creator store has lost my respect for it as of now, it is a severe disappointment if you ask me. The ESRB has no business in the field of game creation. I do believe TGC is at fault some what here also, the way they market Fpsc is not the standard for marketing other more serious game engines and software. But of course they wouldn't make any money if they didn't get the 12 year old's buy. My main point being is that I would like to see fpscreator taken into a more serious perspective, and move forward to a more powerful, innovative game creation software. The rating of a software to produce a video game is really unjustifiable, bottom line. Parents should control their children. Also the censorship of the 3d media should be looked at as a major concern, and I would appreciate it if TGC would provide a very specific statement regarding this issue.


Well, it is in deed a disappointment bond, your models are very good. You should look into other 3d media websites, where you work will be definitely more respected.(Not implying that your work isn't respected here, what I mean by this is that people here do not understand the price for custom 3d media in the real world, as in you'd make a lot more money elsewhere)
I am keeping my eye on this issue, hopefully TGC will work with us to explain why it needed to be done, and most likely why it is out of their control.( Don't get mad at them guys.)

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Quote: "cerial murderer!"


LOL

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Yes, officer, He shot the cheerios and bran flakes, RUTHLESSLY!.

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Quote: "What a load of REMOVED, this is like games getting banned in Australia because of the lack of R 18+.

I feel sorry for people like bond, they're the victims here."


Oh god... don't tell me I'm on post moderation for that post.....

Wow.


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Please stop with the bad language. Yes, we probably all use it everyday but not on these forums thank you.



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@Bond1, I support your views on this and all the best. I also suggest people re-read his last statement.
Quote: "TGC has no say in this "path", it's not like it's an option. ESRB are the ones cracking down here. TGC is doing all they can to comply, including putting up the initial fees."



Quote: "it would be very odd I think to find a game that was rated mature and made by a 13yr old."

I believe that is one of the issues of the recent change. Such as how the media is used and viewed. One can move around the web and find gore easy, such as images. However playable gore content and how it could be used and viewed would be the difference.

Someone made a point about books, even though a system is in place. Fiction, non-fiction, science-fiction. Often a cover will not portray the content in side, yes it may read graphic yet it is how the end user views the content in their mind of how the gore would be. If the book is made into a film, including graphic images to demostrate the stories original views then it is rated, such as any other visual media that may not contain graphic views.
Game content can be viewed via images, videos and of course the game itself. It is playable and can be seen played via web resources.

The other issue would be the free or semi commercial available demos/games. if it is not rated (using an outside source - and yes there are free ones) This may have pushed it to this result.
I made a comment about YT use a few years back, and would consider this a reason for a concern.

I do like the idea of 2 versions, however I would say that the original content included with the engine (sdk) is a overall factor. Often the end player is using a weapon of some sort.
TGC could pull the sdk, or just use segs/prefabs included as a base. Yet it would possibly put pressure on free content available.


Quote: "The only thing I really want to see happen is for fpscreator to be looked at and taken more seriously."

I support your views here, Teamhalo.
I guess it may will be, as if someone under the age of 17 who releases a game/demo or plays one, may be breaking the law.


End note, i respect all users views here and I'm not for one or the other. Its maybe time to step up to the plate and move forward. TGC provided a engine and how one uses it is their call. Someone 13 may be aloud by their parents to watch a rated 17 movie, yet it is often not advertised this has been done. However the movie is still rated. Posting game related media on the web is making visible content for others to view, and in this case a playable one and the reason I see this introduction in place.


Good luck to all, anyone under 17 I feel your pain. I hope people understand my post.

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Quote: "Please stop with the bad language."

Oh my, that was considered bad language? I'm very sorry about that!

Anywho, in my opinion, I don't think that insulting and expressing our anger at ESRB will fix anything, although I am very dissapointed, I hope Bond1 uploads them somewhere else if that's legal

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Software_Rating_Board

For those who don't know.

The ESRB have no legal power, and in addition any rating means nothing outside of the USA or Canada. Too many people are under the impression that this whole rating thing is somehow legally binding. Given that a ESRB rating is voluntary I find it hard to imagine how any store could refuse to sell you a product on the grounds that a non legal body claims you are not suitable to own a product..
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The way that ESRB (whom I particularly dislike much too much) rates most games is by having the game publisher/developer send in videos/pictures or demos of the absolute worst content featured in their game. Then the ESRB decides on a rating, yet if they can't, they actually go and play pre-release demos or the actual game.

Yet, if the Game Creators sent in media of the worst content you could make (please correct me if I'm wrong-I don't want to have post-moderation again), then how come the ESRB just had to go by that and think that FPSC is strictly for making the absolute most horrific and gorey games, when you don't have to make those type of games and prohibit certain downloadable media?

I mean like, for Garry's Mod and other Source games, you can download full nude female models (Alyx models mostly), yet the Half-Life series was rated "M" for Blood and Gore as well as Violence and Mild Language (I believe). So why didn't they rate Source games "AO"?

That's what I don't get. (sorry for the long paragraph, I had to get it outta me)

EDIT: One last thing,

Quote: "Online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (formerly Game experience may change during online play) to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB. This is used to describe the fact that players online may speak in an inappropriate manner, or use profanity (which cannot be effectively rated by ESRB), as well as to warn about possible mods which may not be given a rating by the ESRB.[6]"


So, doesn't that mean that ESRB shouldn't rate user-created content? (taken from Wikipedia)


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Quote: ""Please stop with the bad language.""


Quote: "Oh my, that was considered bad language? I'm very sorry about that!"


That was a general statement just to make sure that more people don't get, shall we say, 'more heated' with their posts.



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ohhhhhhhhhhh... huh, sorry

@pw Productions Manager: bang on! you make great points, and back them up with evidence. someone should email TGC and provide a link to this thread!

Not me though, a mod would be taken more seriously...*cough* MOD just kidding

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Quote: "Yet, if the Game Creators sent in media of the worst content you could make (please correct me if I'm wrong-I don't want to have post-moderation again), then how come the ESRB just had to go by that and think that FPSC is strictly for making the absolute most horrific and gorey games, when you don't have to make those type of games and prohibit certain downloadable media?"

True, however if you re-read the comment made. This is what my point was. A user can make whatever game they like, however a gore game is now classed as the highest limit of the rating. Just because one user does not. The rating covers those who do. Unless you can explain further in detail as how they would get around that.


Quote: "I mean like, for Garry's Mod and other Source games, you can download full nude female models (Alyx models mostly), yet the Half-Life series was rated "M" for Blood and Gore as well as Violence and Mild Language (I believe). So why didn't they rate Source games "AO"?"

True in a way, yet is the nude models in the halflife series/source? or just via the MOD/User created content? Is the nude downloadable models for sale? or free?
I am not sure, I hope you can explain further.

I dont remember any nudity in halflife, and if they are free DL's.
Then this shows why tgc have done what was needed to protect free media under their community forum. If the engine is rated, then media used via the engine may be classed under the rating.
However this is one grey area, and im sure TGC are working on it.
There may release info later to validate what the plan is.

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I still want to know who asked ESRB to give FPSC a rating?
also what are the ratings on other game engines.

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From the TGC Headline News desk,

Quote: "bond1 zombies GONE!!!"


The Bond1 Zombies, highly prized for their true-to-life deadness, are missing from TGC headquarters. No one knows exactly when or how they escaped but forum members suspect they just got up and limped away. People are being warned to stay in their homes until they are found and returned to TGC. Bond1, the zombie's creator told TGC news that they will be brought back, dead or alive, but probably still dead. It's believed that the zombies left TGC to avoid being "toned down" after complaints about their age appropriateness from the ESRB.

If you see one of these zombies, do not try to capture it, but walk away at a brisk pace. The zombies move quite slowly, but the handicapped may want to seek immediate shelter.

More at 11:00.

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LOL!!! great! thats great!

Is there shooting? You can't have a good game without shooting in it!
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by the way, could they really put in rating/age systmes on the gcs?

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@xplosys great commentary, still why does FPSC care what ESRB says, who asked there opinion, no offence. Someone invited ESRB to the party.

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Quote: "More at 11:00. "


Be especially careful of this one:



If possible, capture and crate him up carefully. Please return him to me cause he gets all "bitey" when he's loose on his own. Man, TGC was supposed to keep him safe in the store and now who the heck knows where he is.

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Xplosys, I used your text I hope you don't mind.:



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Sorry mate. Will do.


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Quote: "Be especially careful of this one:"


I knew there was something dodgy about him.





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Very cool. I'll trade you - next time I'll use the newspaper idea!

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I never had a chance to purchase them
Well I did since they existed in the store for a while...

Kind off-topic:
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"bond1 - You see this name, you think dirty.""

I see it as Bond 1 - 1 in swedish is "en" - Bond en, bonden - Bonden in swedish means The farmer

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@xplosys: You made my day!

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Those wall zombies shouldn't be too hard to find though, you really just have to go to a place that sells saws and maybe human body parts...

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I'm surprised the ESRB didn't remove my cucumber object. After all, one could make some very inappropriate scenes with it...

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I agree with everyone here. Those zombies weren't even gory. Does ESRB have something against greay people who are a little disformed. This is redicilous or ESRB. Some day they will find the world of music and start putting ratings on them. I have played so many gory games. F.E.A.R, Jericho, Silent Hill, God of War and many more, but how did they affect me? I think that under 18 year old know that it is just entertainment. I don't mean, that I suggest all those to little kids, but... You know what I mean.

I jope this will change some day. And I think that, it would be just enough, that there would just read 18+ in there. I mean: There is mature rated stuff being selled in the store, so why can't there be any in TGC store with that rating. That is my 2 cents and many words. now where did my 3rd cent go...


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I just was thinking, if ESRB has no legal authority, then how could any of this happened?

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Maybe you could upload them with "3+" textures (pink, flowers, happy faces) and then release the real textures on your website.

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i agree ESRB is going too far..just when i was going to buy them from the store

on a side note.

Read it and weap with me

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=225073

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Yes cyborg.
Anyone under three could be intimidated by the smilies.

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Read it and weap with me

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=225073

*cries in a corner*"

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i guess i'll order an import from USA on ebay or something lol


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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 00:13
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one smiley is worth a thousand curses towards the australian government




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General Jackson
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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 00:16
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Bond1: I have him captured!

I have had him for a while now! Had no idea you wanted him, I'll stick im in a crate later.


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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 00:36
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Quote: "I'll stick im in a crate later."


yeah, I got a bunch @ home, I guess I'll throw em' in too.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 03:44
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Quote: "i guess i'll order an import from USA on ebay or something lol
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Yes me too, but the uncensored version has been resubmitted for review with no changes. If games like Fallout 3 and Ninja Gaiden can get through the Australian process and only get rated 15+ then I think unedited L4D2 should get through.

Yeah I'll be importing too, unless it gets region locked. Or the full version gets through, which I believe it will anyway.

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We usually get most games that are rated 18 in other countries, unedited and rated only 15 here, so we don't miss out on much. In fact most of the games that have been refused classification (which is not the same as banned, even though all the internet sites say banned), and have not been resubmitted in an edited form, have been rubbish anyway Even if the games been edited it's not really going to take away from the experience. A good game will still be a good game whether or not I can see a zombies guts spill from its stomach or not.

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