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FPSC Classic Models and Media / [LOCKED] bond1 zombies GONE!!!

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DestroyerHive
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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 05:34
As I type this message, I am only minutes away from death. I tried to contain them but a Crawler got loose and ate my leg. It'll be here soo- help me!!! HELP ME!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

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Spycrabz
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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 06:35
Quote: "Location: Ravenholm - pwning headcrabs "


be sure the poison headcrabs dont get you, one of those and a crawler is a nasty combination

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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 09:10
Quote: "whether or not I can see a zombies guts spill from its stomach or not."


yea but if they do that it just makes it more epic

Like in Dead Rising


..dead rising gives me idea...will a lawnmower work as a weapon in fpsc?...


~Afrokid
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Quote: "be sure the poison headcrabs dont get you, one of those and a crawler is a nasty combination"


One swift movement of the crowbar while they jump at you will sort those out.

And I try not to kill crawler, they're just so funny. I love the walk animation.


Quote: "will a lawnmower work as a weapon in fpsc?"


You could do this as a chainsaw clone. Bear in mind that the player would have to be pretty strong to lift a lawnmower 180 degrees in to the air. Unless there was some kind of mod which restricted up/down movements for some weapons.

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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 14:35 Edited at: 11th Oct 2009 14:35
Quote: "You could do this as a chainsaw clone. Bear in mind that the player would have to be pretty strong to lift a lawnmower 180 degrees in to the air. Unless there was some kind of mod which restricted up/down movements for some weapons."


by lawnmower i ment the olden days ones..


that'd be prety fun

~Afrokid
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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 15:18
How would that work as a weapon?

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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 16:12
i dont know

i was thinking more of the wow factor lol..

maybe use it as a club or something


yea...that idea fails, maybe hedge clippers?


~Afrokid
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Posted: 11th Oct 2009 19:02
Quote: "be sure the poison headcrabs dont get you, one of those and a crawler is a nasty combination"


nah, I kill about twenty a day, they're not that hard to kill.



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Posted: 12th Oct 2009 21:00
Topic going a little of course?

I found this a little unclear when it came to the whole ESRB thing as there hasn't been any official announcement (so far as I can tell). As such, I contacted Rick who was nice enough to give me the following reply:

Quote: "It was made clear to TGC recently that we needed to comply with a number of clauses from the ESRB's agreement. We have now completed that process (adding age gates to videos, removing some screen shots and re-rating the Gore pack made by Bond1).

The key thing to realise that any add-on to the originally rated product must either match the same media content as the core package, or the add-on will have to re-rated. 99% of the packs were OK but the Gore pack had more exteme content and so we decided to get it rated. You will notice that it has a slightly different rating to the original FPSC - it has "and Gore" added to it. Whereas FPSC just had "Blood".

We decided to check the contents of the store and identified a number of assets that were over the original rating. We have now set these items to retired. People who had purchased them before should still be able to download them. I don't think we will bring them back on line, they will most likely have to be part of a Gore Pack 2 somewhere down the line.

The original rating for FPSC is;

MATURE 17+
Blood
Intense Violence
Partial Nudity

So ALL media in the store must come under that classification.

Any video of add-on material has to have this rating as a warning to viewers.

In Europe FPSC got rated 12+ and the rules are not so strict as the US. In Germany we got a 16 rating.

We have learn that we should be more careful with our target audience and to avoid straggling age boundaries.

Hope that clears things up.

Regards,

Richard Vanner
Financial Director
www.thegamecreators.com"


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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 03:08
ah, very interesting, albite (forgot how to spell it) still unfair for Bond1 and the consumers

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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 03:18 Edited at: 13th Oct 2009 03:19
wrong thread

In case you find my grammar and spelling weird ---> native German speaker ^^
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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 04:06 Edited at: 13th Oct 2009 07:00
Quote: "maybe Bond1 should sell his models on a different website..i bet he will make a lot of money..just a thought..."

Yeah, a good thought.

Quote: "A note to Bond1...Please never stop making models like the ones that have been removed from TGC store."

Ditto

Quote: "Bond1, I Will always be your #1 Fan! "

WhaWhaWhaWha WHAAAAAAT? [/kylesmomsvoice]

I thought I was his #1 fan!

Quote: "It's a parent's right to decide what their child is allowed to play/not play. Not the right of the retailer or whoever. Retailers use ratings enforcement to avoid lawsuits."

It is also the parent's responsibility to monitor what their children buy and play, not the retailers.
If they do not want their children in charge of spending decisions then do not give them money to spend and make the purchase for them.
These rescrictions in game ratings drive up the cost of the product for all consumers, which is not just for the people who it does not apply to, like adults with no children.
The bottom line here is cost and not whether or not children should be protected from adult content.
It is obvious they need the protection, but what is puzzling is the need for a costly outside expense.

The developers should rate their own content at no outside cost as a service to the customers with children.
It is the responsibility of the parents to evaluate products before exposing their children to it if they are that concerned about it.
So, if they disagreed with a developers/retailers rating system, then they could simply make future purchases from a different developer/retailer.

ESRB is a scam and everyone knows it.

TIGRS is better.

Haven't these parents ever heard of "BUYER BEWARE" ?

And if not, then is the sheltered life that much better?

The need for the ESRB only confirms the lack of participation on the parent's part of the role which is their responisibilty not a rating system.
Each individual will have different views on what is acceptable for a rating or age level, and what is not. (like the age differences in the countries mentioned earlier)
So, what is the point for a bona fide rating system that will still be questioned no matter how efficient it is, because of those different parental perceptions?

Let each parent be responsible for their own child, so own up and rate the games you buy for your children yourself.
Wouldn't you feel better taking the time to play the game rather than trust the ESRB which is only out to make a buck?
Brand name corporations (like Disney) have gained the respect and trust of the consumer, so the need for rating systems designed for adult products is pointless.
Parents know which companies have family values and which ones do not.
And for the companies who sell to all audiences, then their customer relations with their customer should be left up to them, and not the ESRB.
The ESRB doesn't even play the whole game when they rate one, so why trust their rating over playing it for yourself?
The developer knows best what is in their game and the consumer will quickly know which developers have accurate self rating systems for future purchase decisions.

Quote: "I knew there was something dodgy about him."

lol


Quote: "If possible, capture and crate him up carefully. Please return him to me cause he gets all "bitey" when he's loose on his own. Man, TGC was supposed to keep him safe in the store and now who the heck knows where he is."

I have him as a disco slave. ("Disco of the Dead")
Just kidding about the disco, but I do have him and many others.
(ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin alive, stayin alive....)

@BOND
I'm sending you an email, so look for it.

Quote: "Bond1, the zombie's creator told TGC news that they will be brought back, dead or alive, but probably still dead. It's believed that the zombies left TGC to avoid being "toned down" after complaints about their age appropriateness from the ESRB."

If the ESRB does not realize that Zombies are fictitious, then I have to wonder about how well they rate things.
Bond's zombies need to be toned down when the ESRB rates games like Destroy All Humans (think about that title alone) as a Teen rating?

Give me a break.

"The horror, the horror..." ...Colonel Kurtz


Quote: "The original rating for FPSC is;

MATURE 17+
Blood
Intense Violence
Partial Nudity

So ALL media in the store must come under that classification."


Destroy All Humans is rated T for Teen, and it has...

Alcohol Reference
Tobacco Reference
Crude Humor
Language
Sexual Themes
Violence
Animated Blood
Drug Reference

Wow, that seems to be a lot worse than Bond's Zombies, who do not use alcohol, tobacco, or drugs.
Bond's Zombies do not have any sexual preferences or themes either.

So, lets break this down into what his zombies do have on that list, which is ...

Violence
Animated Blood
Crude Humor (once I re-texture)

That is only 3 of the 8 items found in a Teen rated game.

ESRB is not very consistent are they?

Wouldn't Destroying All Humans be considered as intense violence, and if not then how is killing zombies worse than killing humans?

I didn't know we shouldn't use language for better ratings/ would sign language be rated family friendly or as gang related gestures?
So if you use Language you are not family friendly??? Is it better the chilrden learn to grunt like cavemen instead of speaking?

Trust The ESRB.
They love you, and the check is in the mail, and they promise not to...

Pay the outrageous ESRB's fees for their Bogus rating only if you want to sell your stuff off the shelf in stores like Wal-Mart who require their ratings on the products they sell.
Otherwise, you don't need them.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 01:02
I think the style makes a lot of difference as well. Take the Tom & Jerry cartoons and the levels of violence they portrayed. If you had two people (or realistic looking graphics of people) playing out the same scenes, it would either get the maximum age rating or banned outright.

Cartoon stylings make a lot of difference, and you can get away with far more than you can with a realistic settings.

Having said that, I'd have told the ESRB to 'do one'.
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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 02:25
Quote: "We decided to check the contents of the store and identified a number of assets that were over the original rating. We have now set these items to retired. People who had purchased them before should still be able to download them. I don't think we will bring them back on line, they will most likely have to be part of a Gore Pack 2 somewhere down the line."


Thanks Airslide for this quote. This is what was bothering me the most, that if I should happen to have some form of hard-drive error and my back-up also died (this has happened to me once ) that I wouldn't be able to re-download them.

But I see they are still shown in the store as being able for download for me, so long as I am logged in.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 04:07
@conjured entertainment:

I appreciate your time put into that monster post, ESRB is just another mafia, making money by destroying other people's creations, and killing (just a bit on the inside).

They seriously need to get another job and possibly a life. Sorry if this sounds mean, but I'm very put off about this.

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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 22:06
Quote: "Quote: "Bond1, I Will always be your #1 Fan! "
WhaWhaWhaWha WHAAAAAAT? [/kylesmomsvoice]

I thought I was his #1 fan!"


HUH!?! I THOUGHT I WAS... HOW DARE YOU!!! LOL

Anyway...

Quote: "I don't think we will bring them back on line, they will most likely have to be part of a Gore Pack 2 somewhere down the line."


Let's hope... and soon


Physix Coming Soon...
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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 01:38
Which zombies where taking off because I was just browsing the store and some of his horror stuff is still there.

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Well, on the plus side, if the more questionable content does end up in packs, it's probably good for us anyways - the packs tend to have a better content to price ratio. Of course we're spoiled regardless, but just a little optimistic though there

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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 11:34
As long as us who have purchased them get to re-download them in one way or another for free.

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Posted: 16th Oct 2009 00:08 Edited at: 16th Oct 2009 00:14
Quote: "Which zombies where taking off because I was just browsing the store and some of his horror stuff is still there."

The good ones. The ones that made TGC a success. Just search "ultimate zombie"

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Posted: 16th Oct 2009 05:57 Edited at: 16th Oct 2009 06:10
Quote: "I appreciate your time put into that monster post,"

Yeah, 1 rant, 2 pages, and 3 hours later...sorry I got a bit carried away.

I had no beef with the ESRB until they went and messed with Bond's zombies.   -            -         

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Posted: 16th Oct 2009 11:34
Quote: "DestroyerHive: Just search "ultimate zombie""


I did what just that and now I'm gutted at what I missed out on

I only use this for fun and have no interest in making commercial games ^_^
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In the past few monthes I've seen the horrible defiling of fellow human beings, The savagery of war, The blatent exlplisiveness of human sexuallity, the horror of medievil torture devices, the disregard for human and animal rights, the harshness of nature as animals prey on themselves and human beings, and the harsh reality of drug abuse thoughout the world.

I saw all this on the "History Channel" which is regarded by most, as a "Family Oriented" station. Most games today dont come close to that type of reality. ESRB... Rate That!

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^ What he said ^

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How on earth has Ultimate Zombie 2 been removed from the store, but not 1? 1 has frickin ribs sticking out his chest, 2 had no ribs and a couple of patches of dried blood!

ESRB is really taking the smeg here.

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Posted: 17th Oct 2009 13:46
You'll still see it if you bought it already.
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Posted: 17th Oct 2009 14:56 Edited at: 17th Oct 2009 14:57
So if I logged in, I'll see zombie 2 aswell?

EDIT: No.

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That's a curious oddity then, if you can see it without being logged in and you can't see the other when you are logged in (assuming you've purchased both).

For me, If i look in his horror section when not logged in it briefly says no "No Items (filters Archive)" and is a blank page. If I log in, I can see the shroudling which has been purchased.

You had my hopes up thinking some might be making it back on to the store!
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Posted: 17th Oct 2009 15:17 Edited at: 17th Oct 2009 15:17
Like many tortured souls, bond1's creations probably roam the places they remember....



just a second....my external harddrive makes some strange noise....



....although its not even connected, hmmm...


...WTH is THAT???...


OMG


........

....

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In case you find my grammar and spelling weird ---> native German speaker ^^
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hmm i see brute, shrowdling, zombie 1 and 4 and the crawler when im logged in..i havnt brought any of them.


its odd

@Storyteller...lol


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Posted: 17th Oct 2009 15:39 Edited at: 17th Oct 2009 15:44
Errent A.I.: Hi Jake, I just checked my friend, and as stated above I see zombies 1&4 but not 2&3 while logged in, and I purchased all of them. 3&4 are not shown.

So I geuss If I, or anyone else lost they're files, they would be out of luck.

Sure glad I backed those up.

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My mate thinks I'm crazy, cause he can see them and he don't even own FPSC or anything and just fired up the Store Client and this is what he got.
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2633/tgcstore.jpg

For me I see nothing either logged in or not

All I could think of is he may have an older client and it does not filter them or something?

I only use this for fun and have no interest in making commercial games ^_^
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Posted: 17th Oct 2009 17:19 Edited at: 17th Oct 2009 17:34
Good call, Nbt!

I just fired up old v1.09 and can see everything still so if anyone wants to nab a zombie...

edit- not everything but what Afrokid described.
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Anyone can see zombie 1 and 4, purchased or not.

It's 2 and 3 which have been removed.

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Aaagreen: Right, but I'm still curious, will those who have purchased those models, who may have lost them for one reason or another, get a refund?

Or would it be a total loss to those folks?

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2 and 3 will not be visible in the store.

1 and 4 will.

If you have purchased 2 and 3, and not backed them up, you're screwed until they resolve this stupid ESRB issue.

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Quote: "So I geuss If I, or anyone else lost they're files, they would be out of luck.

Sure glad I backed those up."

I'm missing some from the store too.

That History Channel reference makes a great point.


Quote: "2 and 3 will not be visible in the store.

1 and 4 will.

If you have purchased 2 and 3, and not backed them up, you're screwed until they resolve this stupid ESRB issue."


How the heck is Battlefield Vietnam rated Teen when it is as violent and realistic as it is? (it is based on a real conflict that took place)

It seems that real horror is okay, while fantasy horror may or may not be according to the way the ESRB rates things.

Maybe the ESRB ratings are simply based on fee values and not content at all, because I notice some big budget games getting more slack with their ratings.

A proper game rating system would be non-profit based and supported and funded by those concerned parents who use the service.
That way the fees are not profit driven, and the lower costs would be paid by those needing the service instead of by everyone.
The parents could then play and rate the games themselves sharing their reviews with each other. (share the task and combine the knowledge via an online game review database)
Then they would have better control over knowing the actual content, rather than trusting someone who hasn't even played the game and just wants the money like the ESRB.

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Quote: "Errant AI: Good call, Nbt!

I just fired up old v1.09 and can see everything still so if anyone wants to nab a zombie...

edit- not everything but what Afrokid described. "


I grabbed the free FPSC and installed at work and it has the older FPSC Store client. So launched it and their they were ready to buy "woo hoo" (at least I thought) and adding them all to my cart

On clicking the buy cart I got this

I only use this for fun and have no interest in making commercial games ^_^
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<User may be back after checking the AUP>

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And I don't see them putting massive restrictions on Unreal, even though Gears Of War was made on it, or turbosquid, which has stuff ten times "worse" than TGCstore.
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Hmm well i have input,
On the terms of my knowledge.
1. I thought that ESRB ratings were a guideline, a man in "game" told me and it's your parents desicion to decide weather you can buy/play or not. So therefore ESRB have no right to choke smaller companies like TGC or indie developers/modelers for a stupid logo that is only needed if a game is going to be sold commercially.
2. Aren't there other rating services other than ESRB such as PEGI so why have ESRB attacked the TGCStore with no right.

Correct me if i'm wrong, maybe you could all start a petition or something, but this is ridiculous.

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Posted: 24th Oct 2009 11:10
Here I was trying to win the Halloween competition, got good layouts and scenery and junk... all I need is zombies... and there gone

But I got a quick question....

so we got this whole 18+ deal.... but here's what i don't get... ain't there some 18+ thing we have to click yes or no too? If so then doesn't the whole deal with getting the zombies through the store be our 'fault' if parents don't like it???
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Posted: 6th Dec 2009 03:11
Maybe, you could put them up for free download and give us a link, bond1

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im tired of the esrb. i'm making a game rating system, and even recomending it to lee. gonna even rate the games myself, may ask for help soon. bond1, I will give your zombies a rating, if i could at least get some screens (with bright lighting). anyone else interestyed in a rating for game media, send me a sample.

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A big zombie model pack, which will also contain the removed store items, will be coming early next year. New zombies will also be included.

I will be splitting the cost of obtaining the ESRB rating with TGC, which is a very fair way to do things going forward, in my opinion. Thanks for the continued interest in my models.

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Quote: "A big zombie model pack, which will also contain the removed store items, will be coming early next year. New zombies will also be included."


bond1, do you have a date on the release of your pack? i sure can't wait to see your new zombie models. where will be be able to buy your pack ... just wondering...

Cheers,
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you might hate me for this but, i think that esrb is a good thing. their protecting all the children from getting nightmares! but they have gone into paranoid anti people.

Please, don't call me nexar. call me Kuromi.
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Quote: "bond1, do you have a date on the release of your pack?"


I've got other modeling work obligations this month, so I'm shooting for Feb.1, 2010.

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Quote: "im tired of the esrb"


You're tired of the ESRB? You obviously don't know the OFLC here in Australia, they refuse to let games have an R rating. As a result, L4D2 has practically no violence (only tiny blood splashes), fading corpses (think goldeneye), no zombies in riot gear ('disrespecting authority figures' my ass), and it's just so dumb. Be glad you don't live over here.

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