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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Horror Mod - For Sale

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Plystire
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 07:09 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 07:46
Quote: "Ply dislikes me because I dont reccomend his mod as highly as Fenix Mod."


Quote: "Excuse me, but do you have any basis for saying it ..."


If we're going from a basis here, have you any basis to say that your statements above are correct?

I dislike you for your severe immaturity level displayed here. It has nothing to do with Mods.

Quote: "Quote: "you even said that you were going to leave FPSC not too long ago. "
Ok? What has that got to do with coding a mod in DBpro?"


It shows your character. You were head over heels about going to Unity because it was "awesome", so you were going to leave the forums. Guess what? You changed your mind. Was it too much work to make anything in Unity? Or were you just lazy? Boy, I bet you're glad you didn't have to pay money to get Unity, huh? The things you want most are the things that are hardest to get, no matter what value they actually have to you. Who's to say you wouldn't do the same if you got HM? It seems so glamorous thinking about it, but would you really do anything with it once you got it? Or would it become another lazy moment and fall by the way-side?

You also apparently don't take constructive crits too well, so I'll keep my thoughts about your helicopter to myself.

Quote: "why shouldnt I have it since he can code it so wonderfully well himself?"


I don't doubt he could and would do it himself, should he not obtain the source. If you're capable, then this should be a cakewalk for you! Just another learning experience in the long road of life!


Hockeykid may be [EDIT]A young age (Pretty sure that was against the AUP, so gonna edit that out! )[/EDIT], but he's showing much more public maturity than you have. Not only that, but he has also already grown a wonderful Mod from scratch (with a feature or two that he might have "obtained" from another source ). Fact of the matter is, he has more experience with this situation than you do, not to mention modesty. I don't think i've ever seen him spam someone else's thread with "Look what I did!! It's not in FPSC, but that shouldn't be too hard to do!", "OH! And here's a video!"

To look at the newcomer, so does Robert F. He made his own Mod as well, and a rather nice one to boot. (Yeah, I know you think I hate you, Robert. I'm just a natural __unmentionable__ when I'm in a bad mood. )

I still say hockeykid would be the best choice, but Robert might make a good choice too.


Quote: "I dont think this is a vote,lol, I think all of you are acting like children right now."


Perhaps, but knxrb did state that he takes the comments made here into consideration. I don't think anyone has broken the AUP yet (aside from going off-topic about... never mind) and knxrb doesn't seem to have a problem with the debate going on here. I'm sure if he was upset about the things being said he would have said so (maybe he will say so.. I'm not sure). Or maybe I'm being too lenient on the whole thing and everyone needs to be banned! lol, j/k


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yohan12
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 07:14
Good post ply

Plystire
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 07:48
Err --- thanks.... I think.

Now that I think about it... if the people getting donations don't end up with HM, are they going to give people their money back?


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Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 08:02
you said

Perhaps, but knxrb did state that he takes the comments made here into consideration. I don't think anyone has broken the AUP yet (aside from going off-topic about... never mind) and knxrb doesn't seem to have a problem with the debate going on here. I'm sure if he was upset about the things being said he would have said so (maybe he will say so.. I'm not sure). Or maybe I'm being too lenient on the whole thing and everyone needs to be banned! lol, j/k

i say this, ok

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 08:50
Quote: "I don't think anyone has broken the AUP yet "


Not quite yet, but there are a couple of people who might want to watch what they post in this thread from now on. I know we're coming up to the holidays but I'll hit that noob slap button like there's no tomorrow
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 09:55
Quote: "but I'll hit that noob slap button like there's no tomorrow"



hahahaha, nice

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 11:20 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 11:32
If I had Coding skills I'd buy it but I dont

Probably not want you want to hear but I'd say it would be worth it if I did.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 11:39
Quote: "You also apparently don't take constructive crits too well, so I'll keep my thoughts about your helicopter to myself."


I thought it was quite good. It would look good in a modern war game, just as scenery flying overhead.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 11:44 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 11:45
HM source for 160$.I am sorry did I miss something where source code is more valuable than actual working compiled exe?(taking DBpro into account plugins ect that may still be required to compile source)

Mods should have stopped this a long time ago I find completely wrong to sell source that was given out free by a company.

Theoretically it is sort off open source code, I don't like the idea where a user wants to cash in what has been given free to all users.

A compiled exe fine I can understand that.But source code like this I don't like it.

Did you even ask lee or rick if you may sell the source.?

Cashing in on a small companies expense am I the only one finding this wrong.?

The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at.
The problem with taking the easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 12:58 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 13:28
Quote: "Theoretically it is sort off open source code, I don't like the idea where a user wants to cash in what has been given free to all users"


knxrb is selling his work and modifications to the original source that makes it Horror Mod. He isn't selling what TGC gave away for free. And weather he collects $20, $160, or $1,000 for his mod, I don't see any difference from this 'cashing in on a small company's expense', than the way other mod developers profit from their compiled mods, which were also derived from the original source.


Although, I do think this whole thing is going to end badly, unless he decides to sell it to more than one person, or comes up with a definitive price and announces who he's going to sell it to. Either way, I think this needs to be sorted out before everyone starts sending Hockeykid and General Jackson hundreds of dollars.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 13:28
Quote: "I think this needs to be done before everyone starts sending Hockeykid and General Jackson hundreds of dollars"
Yip..
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By that logic, any mod that started with the original source and now costs money would also be 'wrong'."
Nope I said source...

I have a problem with selling source code there is a huge difference with selling source and selling compiled source I should not have to explain the difference between the two.

Quote: "A compiled exe fine I can understand that.But source code like this I don't like it."



Quote: "He isn't selling what TGC gave away for free"
How much of the original source is left.I can only speculate more than what you would like to think.It's likely most of the code remained and he had likely had to add code and remove very little.

If he had written this from the ground up fine but he did not and he is making money or trying to make money from selling source code which is not completely his own work.

TGC could have sold the source if they wanted to instead it was given away for free.He should do the same or keep on selling the completed program...


Either way just checked the EULA there is nothing with regards to selling in fact it is very vague.

But again I am not saying in any case that it is illegal I personally don't like the idea of selling raw code...

The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at.
The problem with taking the easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 13:52 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 13:54
Quote: "there is a huge difference with selling source and selling compiled source"


Yeah, one is compiled and one isn't compiled I just don't see much of a difference in this case between selling a mod where people cannot access the source code (which is still there), from selling a mod where people can access the source code (which is still there). Either way TGC's original work is still included, and TGC don't make a profit off of either circumstance. What's really selling in all of these mods are the developer's work, using the original source as a stepping stone.

If this offer was about the original code that was in Horror Mod, no one would be willing to spend $160 for it, they would just go get it for free like everyone else. The only thing everyone is interested in here, is knxrb's work. But of course, this is just my opinion, and to each their own. Ours are both outwieghed by the EULA anyway

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 14:03
Quote: "Ours are both outweighed by the EULA anyway"

lol Yip yeah it does have the final say!!!!!

I guess I am "different" and being "different" is not always a good thing....

The buddy system is essential to your survival; it gives the enemy somebody else to shoot at.
The problem with taking the easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 14:22
Quote: "Mods should have stopped this a long time ago I find completely wrong to sell source that was given out free by a company."



true, it was also illigal to sell a game that you made using aspects of the source

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 14:26
Quote: "true, it was also illegal to sell a game that you made using aspects of the source"

Never was illegal.The only thing you could not do and still can't is build a standalone game engine or game.

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The problem with taking the easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 15:53
I say:

1.Give the mod source to hockeykid

or

2.Dont give it to anyone,just stabilize it,port it to 1.16 and finalize the mod forever.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 16:50
This is the last thing I will say in this thread.
After this I will leave it solely up to knxrb who gets the mod.

Ply, it IS NOT constructive to call my lensflare rubbish, not constructive AT ALL.
It is discouraging and a cruel thing to say because you DONT want me to have the mod.
Just because you have made a mod, doesnt make you a god.
You are a know-it-all, and that is just a fact.
If you could give some encouraging Constructive Criticism, I would be more than happy to take it.
However, you bash other people work if something isnt going your way. So if you have nothing encouraging to say, DONT SAY ANYTHING at all.
If you look at other places I have posted I take CC if it is said in a encouraging way.
I know you greatly dislike me since I dont reccomend your mod as Highly as Hockeykids, but that is just too bad.


General Jackson out!

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 17:04
Give it to me!

...for free...




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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 17:05
Just my .02 here... If you have any features which benifit from third party support, I'd reccomend NOT selling the source to a single party because when only a single mod contains a feature, the auxillary support for it is generally scarce because it's not worth the effort to support. By contrast, look at AirMod which any media created to support it will work in multiple mods. As an artist, I see a lot of cool features you have like particle weapons and such but I'd never invest the time to support those features because the audience would bee too limited.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 19:50
Quote: "Did you even ask lee or rick if you may sell the source.?"

I am selling the Horror Mod source code no the TGC source code.
The Horror Mod source is the code that I have added to make Horror Mod what it is using my own time and skills, therefore I don't need to ask for permission to sell my own work.

@Robert F, hockeykid & GJ: I've sent you all an email.

knxrb

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 21:12 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 21:19
everyone, please stop arguing or even giving your opinions about each other the thread might get locked and then no one will be happy just think about what you say, think about how the other person will take it and then type what you think is right. it's that simple..........(my vote is still with hockeykid)

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 21:19
Quote: "everyone, please stop arguing or even giving your opinions about each other the thread might get locked and then no one will be happy."


Yes, it will get locked and then people can carry on through their emails.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 21:22
thank you Nickydude, maybe if a MOD says it they will listen.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 21:44 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 22:04
Quote: "[EDIT]A young age (Pretty sure that was against the AUP, so gonna edit that out! )[/EDIT]"


AUP says 13 or above so ill just do it for you


I'm [Mod Edit: Although it does state 13 or above we'd rather not have ages stated as there are many dubious characters scowereing the internet. We remove ages for your protection and the AUP could be changed to reflect this, I hope you understand.]

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 21:48
Quote: "AUP says 13 or above so ill just do it for you"



damn, cant say my age then

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 22:21
Err well,in GJ's last post,i thoought what he was saying was VERY immature.Reading throgh Plys post,it seems very constructive to me...

Does anybody really even read these?
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 23:22 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 23:25
GJ, we might not've gotten along at all points, but I still didn't hate you. It takes a lot for me to use the expression 'hatred', but you've nearly just given me a very good reason to. You are the ignorant one here, you automatically assume that I hate you just because we don't share opinions regarding different matters. Also, if you didn't already get the message, let me once again tell you to make sure that you finally understand; the pornography thing was a joke. I'm not a fan of porn either, not of religious reasons, but because I don't see the 'charm' in it. If you still fail to understand that I was making a joke, then I'm sorry for your lack of sense of humor.

As for all this regarding horror mod, I'm saying hockeykid deserves the source because he's a more experienced coder. Also, using the "pick me, pick me!" approach doesn't come off as very professional, not pointing fingers here though.
Hockeykid knows what he's doing, he's a generous person that shares his work with everyone, and I'm sure that he could very well implement the features of HM into Fenix without great issues, as he's been coding long enough to know what he's doing. It is not supposed to be disrespectful to you in any way, I'm sure it's great to start coding and see your own progress, and I apologize if my previous comment seemed bitter, I know it wasn't very constructive. What I meant was that a helicopter doesn't move in that way, the movement is way too quick, if you know what I mean.

I don't really get why the mod is even being sold, even though you lack the time to work on it, I'm sure your customers would understand you if you told them that there might not be any updates for a while. Since you've already made this decision though, I'd say hockeykid is most fit for the task of taking over, for reasons I've stated before in this post and other posts.
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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 23:31
Stop, just stop, any more arguments about how mature people are to create a mod or not will be dealt with by being put on post mod. This thread is a few whiskers away from being locked and if you don't want it to be then I suggest you behave yourselves.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 23:48
I think the source should be a set price, and I think GJ and hockeykid should work together, or should at least both get the source. that is my opinion.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 23:55 Edited at: 18th Dec 2009 00:00
I agree with Hador as far as both HK and GJ getting the source code and they both should agree to do the best they can to support the current customer base (they can work together on that).

Edit:

I assumed Robert F's offer was kind of tongue in cheek. But, if not he could also buy-in to it.

Addendum:

Or Knxrb could decide not to sell it at all and just not continue expanding upon it as Thraxes suggested. He could lock the official thread and just answer any questions from his customer base by email. Then when he has more time start it up again with new features. Just a suggestion.

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Its seems that something is about to happen with knxrb emailing them. All thats left to do is wait for the outcome.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 00:15 Edited at: 18th Dec 2009 00:30
I think the best way to go for Horror Mod would be this:
-- Give the source to any coders for free with the agreement that anything they add to the source is to be given back to knxrb for a full implement (at his discretion) into Horror Mod at a later date when he has time.

That way everyone that wants to work on the code can work on it, and anything added to Horror Mod will all eventually (probably) come together into a single place once again.


[EDIT]
Come to think of it, no, this wouldn't work at all for people who already have a Mod. Too much confusion on what they did or did not do to the Horror Mod source versus their own.

Okay, next idea!


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Robert F
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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 00:40
Quote: "To look at the newcomer, so does Robert F. He made his own Mod as well, and a rather nice one to boot. (Yeah, I know you think I hate you, Robert. I'm just a natural __unmentionable__ when I'm in a bad mood. )"


Ha ha, actually when I seen that you were the latest to post I thought for sure it had something bad to do with me and why I shouldn't get the source. Im actually quite surprised.
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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 00:47 Edited at: 18th Dec 2009 00:47
Quote: "Its seems that something is about to happen with knxrb emailing them. "

I have emailed them to ask them if they will agree to a price that they can all buy it for.
Only one reply so far and it was a bit negative

I hope to have this resolved soon and a new owner found, then this thread can be locked for all eternity.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 00:49
aaahh...piece...everyones happy again

nxrb, could you tell us when you plan on giving your final decision?

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There's no set day or time yet. I'm giving the offerers time to increase their offers if they wish to and I hope to have this finished and sorted by a maximum date of 1st January 2010.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 00:51
They can't agree to share with the others?

If they can't share, then maybe the other two could work something out instead.


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General Jackson
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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 00:52
I was the replier, I said something, none-ya, but I dont mind sharing-in a way...
It'll eventually come out

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I sent them an email asking if they could agree on a set price and the GJ's reply is him saying that if they all buy it then he lowers his offer to $30. And I'm not happy with selling about 4-5 months of work for $30.

I'm still giving them the opportunity to talk to each other and hopefully work something out though.

[Edit] just saw Gj's post, edited mine as well.

knxrb

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knxrb, why did you have to post as soon as I left the thread lol. and GJ, didn't you say you would put more money into it than that? maybe 40 or 50? the mod could really grow if they bought it, and I would like to put in some money for the buyers to spilt amongst themselves to pay to buyt it, but I need to get paypall set up first.

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I promise if I buy this I will bring Stealth/QMod back and add it in and continue to work into the future with this product.
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Quote: "him saying that if they all buy it then he lowers his offer to $30"

If he is going to lower his price over that, he can't be too dedicated to this, can he?

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who ever gets the source to horror mod please dont use 1.16 as there is way to manny bugs in it and way to manny probs horror mod has been great on 1.15 and would like to see it continue using that source untill the bugs are worked out

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Quote: "who ever gets the source to horror mod please dont use 1.16 as there is way to manny bugs in it"
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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:19
Quote: "If he is going to lower his price over that, he can't be too dedicated to this, can he?"

The reason is is that it would not get NEARLY as much cash because they could get the exact same thing FREE with Fenix mod.
In fact it probably wouldnt sell

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:23
you guys could combine mods, and then have an ultimate mod for $20 or so, and then have your own free ones using horror mods, but with less features. you guys could make your money back after 10 purchases, depending on who all gets the source. and I would buy it for sure.

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Quote: "The reason is is that it would not get NEARLY as much cash because they could get the exact same thing FREE with Fenix mod.
In fact it probably wouldnt sell"

My point. If you really wanted it, and could truly expand it, you would be able to add many of your own, unique features to it that would cause other people to want to get your mod, while Fenix would have the HM features and it's own features, yours would have HM features and YOUR own features. Also, you don't have to sell your mod. Hockey is giving his free, because he wants the experience and enjoys programming, which is the way all mods should be (no offense to anyone).

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My head is swimming. That's not unusual though.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:29
Quote: "which is the way all mods should be"

I have never heard anything so incorrect.
There is nothing wrong with what I said, I dont want to buy a mod for $160 dollars and make maybe 50 off it.

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Posted: 18th Dec 2009 01:33
Then do what the other modders have done. Spend $0, make your own and make whatever you want out of it. Charge for it or don't, either way you won't be in the hole.


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