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3 Dimensional Chat / Amazing quality ROCKS model pack

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Dexon
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Posted: 12th Mar 2010 19:19
Dear Friends,
we published new pack: ROCKS Model pack

This pack contains 51 models (including alls LOD-stages, 18 unique models).
Additional textures for normal, height and spec maps are included.
This pack can be extended with the help of our vegetation packs.
Up to 4 LOD stages included!
ONE texture (material) file per model!
First week rebate offer [b]only 14.99€
instead of 24.99€
40% rebate[/b]
More details on: www.dexsoft-games.com

General Jackson
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Posted: 14th Mar 2010 21:13
Awesome, but thats WAY too much for a rock model pack.

RUCCUS
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Posted: 15th Mar 2010 20:20
Uh... no its not. Thats not nearly enough for a model pack of 51 high-res models with 4 LODs each. Its a great offer if you cant model yourself.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 01:46
It says 18 Unique models and up to 4 LOD stages.

Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 03:01 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 03:02
I bought this guys stuff before and I must say its really not worth it. I bought 2 modle packs from this guy and the quality is ok. Its nothing to screem at but the quantity of modles you get are far and few. I bought this modle pack here

http://www.dexsoft-games.com/models/town_castle1.html

and its suppost to have 50 models in it,And well, it does but there are 4 versions to each modle, so basicy there are only like 20 in the pack,not 50.So if you are going to buy this guys modle pack's just be warned the quality is ok, and I do mean this,just ok.but the quantity will not really be what he says it is.Im not telling you guys not to buy his stuff, Im still thinking on buying a couple more things from him but still. just be warned

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 04:13
Anyone actually tried there models in fpsc yet? i would like to know for the future if i actually do need models. I hate buying packs that arnt for FPSC and they lag you to death.

pack looks cool though.

Limitless Box studios current project: Lost Contact
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 05:06 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 05:08
Quote: "its suppost to have 50 models in it,And well, it does but there are 4 versions to each modle, so basicy there are only like 20 in the pack,not 50"


Quote: "but the quantity will not really be what he says it is"



It says the pack contents clear as day on the link you provided right here;

Quote: "50 models! (24 unique + LOD stages) with textures in png format, ready to use in your 3D work."


Unless...I'm missing something?

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 06:44
BigAdd: Ah I missed the part explaining the 51 models included the 4 lods per model. Still a decent enough amount of models for the price, taking into consideration what a professional artist would be paid.
Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 06:57
Quote: "It says the pack contents clear as day on the link you provided right here;"


yes it does say this if you understand what it means,lol.it should say it has coppys of the same modles 4 to 5 difrent times all difrent polly counts. then I would have thought about it more.

Quote: "Anyone actually tried there models in fpsc yet? i would like to know for the future if i actually do need models. I hate buying packs that arnt for FPSC and they lag you to death."


some of them will not even go into fpsc as trying to put them in crashes the game. some of them made it in and the ones that did look pretty good. but like i said, I wont buy his packs any more but i will buy his single modles.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 07:12
LOD is an extremely standard term used in the 3D world. If you dont understand what you're purchasing, thats your fault.
Daniel wright 2311
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 07:45 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 07:47
Quote: "LOD is an extremely standard term used in the 3D world. If you dont understand what you're purchasing, thats your fault."


thats not my fault, that's missleading, is what it is, you can call it anything you want but when you put up a compleate piture of a castle TO sell modles to build the said castle. What you get in the pack, you can not build what was in the piture to look like a castle. thats misleading.and this is what happend to me, so dont get all mad at me becouse his modles are misleading, its not my fault. Are you trying to make me look stupid for not knowing something that you think is a extremely standard term when in all reality. people that know nothing about building modles are the ones buying the modles. so how in the hell are they suppost to know this? NO ITS NOT MY FAULT HE MISSLEADED ME INTO THINKING I COULD BUILD A CATSLE WITH SAID MODLE PACK.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 08:13
Quote: "thats not my fault, that's missleading, is what it is, you can call it anything you want but when you put up a compleate piture of a castle TO sell modles to build the said castle. What you get in the pack, you can not build what was in the piture to look like a castle. thats misleading.and this is what happend to me, so dont get all mad at me becouse his modles are misleading, its not my fault. Are you trying to make me look stupid for not knowing something that you think is a extremely standard term when in all reality. people that know nothing about building modles are the ones buying the modles. so how in the hell are they suppost to know this? NO ITS NOT MY FAULT HE MISSLEADED ME INTO THINKING I COULD BUILD A CATSLE WITH SAID MODLE PACK"

Oh wow.


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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 09:16 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 09:18
Seriously, just stop, you're digging yourself into a hole.

Regardless of if you know what Level Of Detail is or not, it is your fault for buying something you didn't understand, period.

I just went to Dexon's site, and wouldn't you know it, right above the very first image in one of his castle packs, he specifically states...

"This pack contains 24 different objects plus LOD stages."

Now, putting myself in your shoes, I might say "hmm... what are LOD stages?".

Well, interestingly enough, this first image I just mentioned above shows 3 models of the same building. Above each version is a label showing you how many polygons are in the model. Each one increases in polygon count, and so too does the detail in the picture.

Then again, you could also have gone to google and searched "Wikipedia LOD" where you would be presented with the answer in the very first result.

Furthermore, your statement concerning the theory that people that don't know how to model are the ones buying models is extremely off. Game designers and indi-led game companies, along with animators are the primary buyers for 3D Models. They purchase these models as either stand-ins to prototype their games, or for final releases. These people do indeed know what Level of Detail is.

Honestly Daniell, you've been here for 3 years now, and I assume using the english language even longer; its time to start practicing proper forum ettiquette and mature, calm replies. Im sorry if I offended you in my previous post, it was a harmless comment from someone you dont know and never will know, so next time take a breather and step back from the computer before you start smashing the caps lock button.

Theres a pretty good chance Im not going to reply to any more of your posts in this thread, as I dont want Dexon's good work to be ruined by drizzle like this. Dexon, Im sorry for how ugly this turned. Your models always impress me, and as a freelance 3D artist and animator myself, I only hope one day I can pump out as many models as you and your team do in the future.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 09:46
well stated,lol, It was just my review my friend, and to be honest, I did buy them and am allowed to a review. and after making such review dont expect to get blamed for it,lol. I hope you understand.By the way, I never said dont buy his stuff, I did say to buy it, but what to expect when you do.IT'S JUST A REVIEW

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 09:54 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 10:15
we're just critisizing ur review, which u have to expect since ur posting it in a forum, and LOD is something even i understood, even tho i had never heard it before.

when ur buying a product, and there is words in the description that u dont understand, like LOD, u have to check it out first.

edit: and YOU have to check it out, because it is not the makers job to make sure u are educated in that area. although, if the terms they use is completly un understandable or misleading (and misleading would be claiming 50models, without even naming they had an LOD stage or something.) well, then it is their fault, but also ur responsibility to mail them and tell them that: hey, this is wrong! because sometimes it might be a mistake or so.

in this case they said: "LOD STAGES" therefore, it is NOT misleading. it would have been IF they had said: "50 different models, all unique" which they didn't.

the models looks amazing as usual dexon, and it seems really worth the money, as usual=)


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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 11:39
well, still, it looks like, atm, Daniel is the only one so far who has actually bought any models from this seller, and, he offered an honest critique, which I appreciate.
As for this:
"This pack contains 24 different objects plus LOD stages."
really could be explained a little better, as LOD is just an acronym. I see Daniel's point. When I first encountered the acronym LOD, I had no idea what it was, even though I was already working on the ideas behind it. I think they have another word for it, in Spanish....Ching...well, if you know Spanish, you know where I am going.
So, Daniel, thanks for your report.
And, I have to agree with you, regardless of what guys are getting paid.
Too much money for some rocks.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 11:43
Quote: "really could be explained a little better, as LOD is just an acronym."


50 models, 24 unique.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 11:45
"This pack contains 51 models (including alls LOD-stages, 18 unique models)."

Top post, which one is it. And the math doesn't even compute if it is 4 LOD per model.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 11:56 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 12:04
I was referring to the pack that Daniel linked. But apparently, that one also states 18 unique models. Even in you don't know the term LOD, it still tells you there are only 18 unique models in the pack. I have to side with the others on this one. You have to read what you're getting before you make a purchase.


Quote: "And the math doesn't even compute if it is 4 LOD per model."


It states farther down on daniel's referred pack, "Up to 3 LOD stages included!". Again, the information's all there from what I can see

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:04
from rereading Daniel's post, he was just saying he had some problems with a different model pack he bought from them. He was basically saying what all of you are saying. Buyer beware.
When someone actually buys these rocks, well, then lets have someone critique them. Good, bad, whatever. But until then, just because you all like the pretty pictures and understand what LOD means doesn't mean we have to part with our hard earned cash. and seriously, how hard can it be to model a rock?
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:10 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 12:12
Quote: "just because you all like the pretty pictures and understand what LOD means doesn't mean we have to part with our hard earned cash."


I'm not saying I, personally, would purchase 18 rocks for that price at all. I don't think that was the point of anyone's replies TBH From what I can see, "read thoroughly before you buy" seems to be the main message everyone was trying to get across to Daniel, because the pack contents were clearly stated.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:19 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 12:26
well, Daniel just posted his honest experience, and you and RUCCUS(of all people?) give him crap.
This whole thread makes me sick. Daniel spent money, twice, and, he gave a review of what he got.
You guys slam him because he doesn't understand their advertising or didn't read the fine print.
Way to make a long term member feel unwanted, yet, we accept these guys just advertising their wares.
My thinking is, if someone laid out the cash, we should be asking him questions, instead of just taking the advertisers word at faith.
If, after you read his review, you still decide to buy, and you have a differing opinion, post it.
This helps all of us.
I think you all need to apologize to Daniel. He didn't do anything wrong.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:26 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 12:30
Quote: "You guys slam him because he doesn't understand their advertising or didn't read the fine print."


Hmm...I wan't 'slamming' Daniel at all. Only pointing out the information he said the seller wasn't providing, was, in fact, stated under the picture. It wasn't in 'fine print' either, it was all in the same font size

Quote: "First part of Town&Castle construction kit series. This part contains non-enterable buildings. Second part will contain their interiors.
50 models! (24 unique + LOD stages) with textures in png format, ready to use in your 3D work.
Up to 3 LOD stages included!
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Quote: "My thinking is, if someone laid out the cash, we should be asking him questions, instead of just taking the advertisers word at faith."


Daniel said himself, he was dissapointed when the pack only had 20 different models...and I pointed it stated under the picture "24 unique models". I wasn't making fun of him because he missed this information, only explaining to him that it was there, and recommending he measures twice and cuts...erm umm; reads twice, and buys once.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:38
Quote: "well, Daniel just posted his honest experience, and you and RUCCUS(of all people?) give him crap."


i personally wouldnt say crap, but it might have come out a bit harsch, they and i are just saying that he has to read twice and research before he buys something.


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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:41
and, like I said, he gave you his review. He actually bought the models from this vendor. He stated he had problems building the castles. He even reported some models crashed when trying to import into FPSC. I don't think he needs to be scolded for not knowing what LOD is.
We should have been asking more questions, getting screenshots, etc.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:51
@Visigoth:

I believe the point everybody is trying to make is that Daniel should have read up on what the features were before he purchased. Not knowing what LOD is and going ahead and buying a LOD pack is the same scenario as buying a computer game and not knowing what a computer is

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:51 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 13:02
Quote: "and, like I said, he gave you his review."


And after reading his review, I took a look at his link, read over it, and simply advised that he reads the product information more thoroughly in the future, so he won't have the same disappointment as he did the first time; regarding the number of, as stated; unique models. I don't think anything I wrote in response would constitute as 'scolding' or 'slamming' Daniel (that certainly wasn't my intentions), but if it bothers him as much as it does you, I'll gladly apologize.


On a side note, my own review;

I did purchase one of these packs last year (accidentally) It was the Western (Eastern?) Vegetation pack. I managed to get the models into FPS Creator (didn't have any problems). the model and texture map quantities that were advertised were all included. Unfortunately, they didn't look as good as the renders in FPSC. Though in all fairness, the normal and specular shaders were'nt applied in FPSC.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 13:25
well, I've pretty much said what I had to say. I think this thread speaks for itself, and, some of its posters.

I haven't been posting much lately, but, stuff like this chaps my hide.

As for the quality, and value, of the vendors work, the pictures do look great, but, I'd like to read more reviews from folks who actually bought some stuff, maybe some ingame screenies, etc.
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 13:31
Quote: "well, I've pretty much said what I had to say. I think this thread speaks for itself, and, some of its posters."


Agreed.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 18:30 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 18:37
Visigoth out of all due respect, look at this with perspective.

If you see something that looks interesting, I'll use the strikingly original example of this model pack, and might be interested in purchasing this model pack for a game you're making in FPSC, continuing with my extreme original'ness, obviously you'd first look at if the models are compatible or if FPSC can handle what's included.

Apparently Daniel for whatever reason didn't even consider this and just seemed to have bought it blindly, without thinking, and coming with the result of a product that he wasn't happy with, because he hadn't, well, looked at it pre-purchase properly.

This is his fault entirely and he can't just come here and blame the company that made the very proper and well made product (Well, distributed, in this case) for not teaching him about one of the more basic concepts of game ready models.

Why do people on here automatically assume that a correction of someone is immediately "giving crap", what Daniel did was much closer to "giving crap" (As much as I dislike that term) than what RUCCUS did, he came off aggressively and blamed his own mistakes on someone else, Visigoth you seem to sit on a high and mighty chair on here in attempt to look down upon us just because someone maturely put forward an argument and a correction against someone else who was plain and simply, quite mistaken.
Reading through this thread just puts forth the idea that you seem to take any kind of argument as being immature and childish, whilst I don't quite see why you would do that

And honestly Daniel, that wasn't a review, that was you complaining you hadn't found what you wanted, and whilst you can get a lot of things off by calling it as an opinion, this is not it, you can't just go on and say that something you've bought is completely messed up and awful just because you don't know exactly what you've bought and blame it on opinion.

If you're focusing on the part Ruccus said about being mature and writing properly on here that's just the way this forum, and the internet in general is, if you don't type too well people will usually give you less respect than if you do, it's just the way we see things.

I think it's, in the end, up to the consumer to get information about what he/she is buying before actually buying it, I mean I wouldn't go to a store and just randomly pick something up from the shelves close to the cooking supplies and then go back the next day and yell at one of the managers because this thing in question doesn't cook my eggs like I want it to.

Oh and don't try and call this off as me trying to yell at you in anger and immaturity, which it obviously it isn't is, I'm just doing what I've done on this forum quite a few times, I'm trying to figure out what the flying fiddlesticks is going on.


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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 18:49 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 18:53
It all boils down to the fact that you simply did not read the description properly, it is said clearly 18 unique models.

But still, if you have a look on Turbosquid for rock models of similar quality, i can guarantee that you will not have 18 models at less than 1 Euro Each, if you try looking up the pricing for freelance artists you will know that what you are getting is actually very, very cheap.

Quote: "people that know nothing about building modles are the ones buying the models. so how in the hell are they suppost to know this?
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Well, the people buying these are either in a team, with 3d modellers, which can explain what it is.

Or they are using them in level design, and when you work with level design , LOD is a very common term.

Or lets say you know nothing about 3d and want to but a model pack anyway, if you see something you don't understand, ask them, or look it up, but i still fail to understand how you did not understand yourself what 18 unique models meant.
I think in future, to stop any of these 'mishaps' it would be advised if you could, Dexon, put the total unique model count in Bold and on a new line, to make sure nobody misses it and gets themselves angry.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 18:49
These rocks look really good!

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 20:34
ahh lolz above.

Completely worth the time out of working.

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Rocks? 14.99

It's okay. Although there are a bunch gen rocks out there. And so for that price it isnt really worth. Tho it is good looking.


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Posted: 20th Mar 2010 04:54
I think it is a great deal. You'd be suprised how many times a rock will be cloned, take morrowind for instance the amount of rocks on that game is only about 12 models, and yet it fills up the whole world, it isn't the fact that it is just 18 models, it is the fact you can reuse them over and over, and the fact it has a LOD, it makes it perfect for any game, also that castle pack, it allows you build your own castle and just like Morrowind again, it comes with segments of the castle, so instead of placing just one you'll have to place a hell of a lot more to make the castle, and yet if used correctly it will be honestly another over-used object in your games. And this phrase pops up quite alot for myself during modelling...

Quality not Quantity



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Posted: 20th Mar 2010 12:33 Edited at: 20th Mar 2010 12:37
But if you compare it to something like this:
http://www.dexsoft-games.com/models/subway.html

Which is the same price, I really don't think you are getting your value for money, considering they just rocks after all.

(Although I'm not saying the quality is not good, they really are very nice models)

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Posted: 20th Mar 2010 14:54
you guys should get some programmers and start making games, with this quality models you can make really fantastic games, i believe games would bring more money than just models

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Quote: "i believe games would bring more money than just models
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while that is true, a typical game production is 1-3 year(s) and costs a lot of money. and they have to get the proper people and then they need to spend atleast 1 year planning the game.


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Quote: "and they have to get the proper people"

We're on "The GAME CREATORS Forums"

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