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Woolfman
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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 10:35
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Ahhh but Thraxas I'm talking about the past you new Mods and KeithC do a great job. Even if it's very early in the morning when KeithC posts. I guess in need to stop being so critical. Where is the muzzle smiley when you need it.
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SekoIdiootti
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 14:13 Edited at: 14th Apr 2010 14:13
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So it's piracy if a friend makes a game with FPSC on my computer?
Or not? I mean, some seem to say it is, some seem to say it isn't...
And is it piracy giving a friend something self-made? Because about how people say it, it seems it is...

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Bigsnake
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Quote: "So it's piracy if a friend makes a game with FPSC on my computer?"


Yes practically it is. It's like game sharing, You can't give a game to a friend if it has a serial key on, it's basicly just a joke. I'm the one who would have bought the game so I can do what ever the hell I like with it ?

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SekoIdiootti
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 14:32
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But it's horrible.
I mean... Really horrible. I mean, he *could* just steal my computer! Then it wouldn't be piracy...

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Bigsnake
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Yeah, that would be Theft then lol

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data 98junkiee
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Hey! How about you guy's grow a pair and quit ranting about the wrongs of piracy. Open source software is more likely to kill off commercial software anyway, the only thing is you cant have any legal problem with it because its all above board. This may be a bad example but i don't use Windows, this is simply because i don't need to as all my software runs fine within Linux using programmes like Wine and the software that doesn't work i find an alternative programme that does the same thing. In fact next time i buy a computer i'm going to avoid windows completely any shop which does not stock non-windows computers obviously does not want my business. I view the bundling of windows with computers as uncompetitive and very harmful to the operating system industry as most people are forced to buy one product without being able to weigh up the competition. And please no no one mention Macintosh computers because as far as I'm concerned they don't count, MAC OSX only comes with computers from one manufacturer (Apple) so i don't view it as in competition with windows.

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data 98junkiee
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 14:44 Edited at: 14th Apr 2010 15:16
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Just one more thing. if Piracy helps to bring Microsoft down them I'm all for it but as far as i can see it only perpetuates dependence on the windows platform. the only way of bringing down these REMOVED is with software that doesn't cost anything to make or use e.g. open source.

Please do not double post; use the edit button.

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TerrorNation
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 15:05
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Why are you even telling us about your 'anti-Microsoft' campaign? It has nothing to do with the topic of piracy, and I think we were having a mature discussion about it.

PS Don't use asterisks to block out swear words, or a mod will be ready to sort your post out....
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KeithC
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 15:26
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@ Data Junkie: Please do not use stars to get around the profanity filter.

Even if DJ's comments about open source programs isn't exactly on topic; it is still relevant to the topic at hand.

As far as "growing a pair"; I'm pretty sure I've had mine all along now. You kind of have to; when working with murderers, rapists and thieves all day. The developers of these products you speak of, do actually have families to feed and bills to pay; regardless of who they work for. Taking money away from people, via piracy, is wrong...any way you slice it. Stealing is stealing; whether it's digital or physical. If you don't want to pay for software; I suggest you follow DJ's advice and go total open-source. Pick up a copy of Blender and GIMP and have at it; you can create whatever you see on these boards with the both of those. You can use free programs to make money (off of your creations; through the TGC store and/or sites like the3dstudio.com), then use that money to buy the commercial programs you desire...then rinse and repeat. Eventually, you'll have worked for everything you have...without spending any up-front money.

...or you can be a lazy thief.

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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 15:27
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Quote: "with software that doesn't cost anything to make or use e.g. open source."


Yes because everyone in the world who writes software wants to write it for free! I applaud people who write software and don't charge any money for it. But there is no way I would expect someone to spend all that time coding and receive nothing for it. Would you go to work for free? Of course you wouldn't.

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data 98junkiee
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 15:45 Edited at: 14th Apr 2010 15:46
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Sorry about the swearing, as far as the whole anti-commercial thing goes, I'm not completely apposed to buying software. Some packages are a little over priced though some software packages can cost in excess of £300 when there are indie developers who would be more than happy to charge less than £20 per copy if they got anywhere near the level of customers that names like Adobe have. Of course obviously if something costs nothing and works as well as the commercial alternative I'm gonna get a copy but i would also make a donation depending on how much i think the software is worth and how well off I am. a lot of open source developers don't do what they do for free, many of them rely on donations however and some people can be surprisingly generous. Programming ability doesn't always have to be a commercial tool though a lot of people enjoy it and do it in their spare time and lets face it if you can make software which suits you and does exactly what you want it its worth learning and practicing weather you make money or not.

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What about some Australian companies that let you "trade in" old games for a discount on your other purchaces? When you're finished with tham you are re-selling them to third parties. Who in turn sell them as pre owned. Isn't that technically piracy and yet people encorage it?

I suppose that this is where I'm supposed to put some witty one liner. Well...sorry to disappoint.
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I look at it this way. You can't stop people pirating, but if everybody decides to pirate, then the company who makes the software (In this case TGC), will not get the money they spent creating the program, they will go broke, then no more FPSC, or whatever the software may be, and if every company goes broke, then whos going to make the software?
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Posted: 14th Apr 2010 16:57 Edited at: 14th Apr 2010 16:58
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Quote: "Who in turn sell them as pre owned. Isn't that technically piracy and yet people encorage it?"



No, because they are not illegally copying it. That's like saying we can't sell anything we've bought
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Quote: "...and if every company goes broke, then who's going to make the software?"


Exactly.

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Deevos Cranium
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what if tgc created model packs with a cd key so when you sign into the online store it recognizes the authentic key but if its a fake key it signs you out until you buy the proper cd key?im not sure if thats even possible but it was just a thought
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Posted: 15th Apr 2010 01:07 Edited at: 15th Apr 2010 01:09
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Piracy is not the answer, no matter how you look at it.

Some people may be opposed to Windows, but lets face it, as far as a stable OS goes... they and Apple have come the closest to it. Especially for people who are not "data junkies" that don't have a clue how to get around certain problems or annoyances with an OS. User-friendliness is the biggest seller for an OS, and as far as that goes, Unix based systems are at the back of the pack.

So as far as "computer bundling" goes, you're stuck with either Windows or Linux, since Apple makes their own computers. It's the SAME THING as a regular computer, really. Different OS is all.

Making an OS is NOT something for a bedroom programmer to tackle. That is something that a large amount of people need to go after, hence why you only see large companies forming those OS'. The open-source OS systems only get by BECAUSE they are open source and because computer nerds all over the world can band together to expand upon it. As my friend points out, the problem with Linux is that there is no set standard for the OS. Everyone that loves Linux is likely using a different Linux.

Let's look at the give and take between Windows and Linux. With Linux you don't have to spend money for ANYTHING on it. Awesome, not gonna complain with that... but what about when a new DX comes out and games start supporting it? With linux, I gotta wait for someone to wrap that into a Linux friendly plugin so I can play that game, where with Windows... you get that support up front. What about if I have problems with the software? Software acts up time and again for whatever reason... I can contact support.... or with Linux, I can go to a "help forum" and pray that someone helps me out.

This isn't competition... Windows offers so much more than anything Linux can. So is pirating Windows going to "teach them a lesson"? No... if everyone on the planet up and pirated Windows, they wouldn't go bankrupt... they wouldn't die. You're only going to see a large backlash from them. Nothing more.

Pirating software tells me one thing about you: You're lazy. I'm not going to deny it. Pirating software is easy. Easier than making the money to buy it legitely. If you pirate software, you're not showing anything more than your own lack of initiative in life. And all I have to say to those people is, "Get lost".


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But really, there was no talk at all here about piracy about a year ago... But now, there's every day. What's the reason? Because of TheK?

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Posted: 15th Apr 2010 16:28 Edited at: 15th Apr 2010 16:41
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Plystire my point wasn't how good Linux is at all, I was actually talking about the fact that due to the initial business tactics of Microsoft the industry now have a dependence on their operating system which is a massive problem for any company no matter how big to get a start in the market. Microsoft face no competition at all and its not due to how good or bad their products are its purely down to the way in which they market their products
,the tactics they use make it impossible for any product no matter how good to compete meaning they face no competition and can charge whatever they like to the consumer and also not have to worry about how good their product is. As we are noticing in the market now Microsoft are simply focusing on how good their product looks than how well it works (apart from some silly gimmicks). My point was also the fact that in order for there to be any chance of bringing down windows its competition needs to cost nothing to the consumer.

<edit> Also I stated myself that piracy is not harmful to Microsoft as it perpetuates dependence on their standards this is why I mentioned free software<edit/>

As far as stability goes Linux obviously has a major problem with consistency which is why it tends to be unstable in some versions this is due the the fact that it is open source (i wont lie). A stable operating system wont exist until a commercial competitor feels they can take on the big M but as existing software and the consumers are now geared towards windows this is a little problematic. The good thing about Linux however is that a lot of the hard work (kernel) is already done, so there are a few manufacturers who are adapting their own versions and preloading it onto their machines this is an uphill struggle however but it is helping us geeks to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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Quote: ""So it's piracy if a friend makes a game with FPSC on my computer?""


Quote: "Yes practically it is."


I don't know if I would go that far. Is it piracy to go over to your friend's house and play his purchased copy of Left 4 Dead on his computer? Is it piracy to go on your friend's computer and use his Microsoft Word to do your homework assignment? I would hope not. You're friend isn't illegally copying the software to install it on another computer; he's just using the software on the computer it was licensed to.

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Posted: 15th Apr 2010 17:17 Edited at: 15th Apr 2010 17:17
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Quote: "CoZ = Piracy "


Really? Did he get busted and I was unaware?

Quote: "So it's piracy if a friend makes a game with FPSC on my computer"


More like, is it theft if I use your skillet to fry my eggs in your home? No.
Same analogy. Not piracy.

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Quote: "Really? Did he get busted and I was unaware?"


No, you missed his post further up the thread.

Your signature has been erased by a mod because of the forum's stupidly tiny restrictions, along with other things such as lack of automatic image resizing, and lack of embedding videos.
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MVM...


..wrong post... on the wrong thread...

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Game Master1330
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If my friend bought a game in 2009 and lost it at his house, then i came round with the same game and lost it at his house, and he found my game, thinking it was his, and i downloaded the game off of the pirate bay because i legally own it, and he sold my game thinking it was his, then gave me the money for my birthday, and found his game after.

I have effectivly sold my game and still have a playable copy, legally?

Umm...
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You were licensed to only the copy which you had bought. You had no right to download anything of pirate bay. So yes it was illegal.

Its a bit trickier when it comes to television and films guys because in some countries copy right laws are very relaxed and if you buy a DVD you have rights to things such as uploading them and it doesn't count as piracy. Then in countries such as UK, they can not do anything about the sites and the downloads if the site is being hosted in a country where this is legal. That's just an annoying loop hole I have learned about when studying IT.

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cool like which countries? i want to live there =) jk

Umm...
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Hi Game Master1330

No it still would be piracy as it is not the cd, but the key for the cd.

If your friend had his key and you had yours, then it would be fine so long as you both used your own keys. However you use the example you had given then you would have pirated.

So to keep this simple it is the key and not the cd which tells if you have a pirate copy. This is why TGC block pirated keys from updates which they know that have been pirated.

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How do i report piracy?

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It depends on whats getting pirated I guess. Is it FPSC then send Rick or someone at TGC an e-mail.

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FPSC x10 someone admited to pirating it then sent me the links to the illigal download!

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Then send Rick an e-mail at
(If I remember it right )

Show him to the pirate

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cool thanks

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