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Plystire
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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 09:50 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 10:31
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Boy, that was a much longer rant than I figured his comment warranted. But interesting history review nonetheless.

Quote: "And we all respect Plystire, we just wish he would show the same respect towards FPSC and TGC, because there is nothing about Nazi Zombies that warrants the bashing of this great product."


Respecting FPSC is not a requisite for respecting each other, though. No, it wasn't necessary for me to bash FPSC, but to get the point across that I intended to get across it certainly helped, albeit several people obviously missed the point I first made the moment a "negative comment" reflecting FPSC escaped my typing hands.

My "bashing" started alongside the comment that was made about replicating Nazi Zombies in FPSC being "hard"... well, the difficulty is all in the eyes of the beholder. While these individuals may see it as being difficult and nothing else, I see it as being difficult -- in FPSC. Stepping away from FPSC, it does not appear nearly as difficult to me. To emphasize why I feel this way, it felt necessary to highlight certain restrictions of FPSC that would need working around to properly replicate Nazi Zombies, and that said restrictions would not be present in the alternative endeavor and that concentration could then be well spent on progressing the game instead of working around.


Hope that helped illuminate my initial intentions. I figured it would have been completely obvious that what I said was in my own opinion and that it was no more valid than anyone else's, nor was I intending for it to sound as though that was the only factual outlook that could possibly exist.

Thoughts were then shared and it escalated, thankfully without many people attempting to make things personal. GJ, telling me to leave because I'm exercising my right to an opinion here is not a good debating skill. I would rather someone highlight things that are wrong with the software so that someone who will do something about them DOES something about them, rather than pretending they don't exist and allowing them to get swept under the rug again.


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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 09:57 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 11:24
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Quote: "I think Shadow of the Collosus is the best game ever"

WORD! On the same line with HL2! The best soundtrack in the universe thou!!

Quote: "but it is not made for making Commercial games"

You know why? The reson is HERE! All the answers can be found there.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 11:26
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Quote: "... however, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe AI that stumbles on a staircase could possibly be considered "advanced""


AI works fine with staircases but it's required to link the opposite ends with waypoints for cross-layer travel. Otherwise it's just a hole in the floor to be avoided since technically staircase is just a segment overlay on the lower layer.

As a side note I don't really think "Nazi zombies" is so much about content as it is game-style anyhow... sort of like a "castle defense" game need nothing to do with castles. The most well-known N-Z game on the forums had neither Nazis or zombies in it...if you think about it.

Oh those videos were awesome till I saw they were sponsored by Microsoft, Sony and Pepsi Co. Sort of a really sad joke in a way.
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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 16:53
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I'm glad that little disgression has bee sorted out I hope you thought I wasn't attacking you personally ply, you are one of those old legands who I look up to and I just don't like seeing you speak of FPSC in such a negative light. It was the program which got me into gaming and hopefully one day I could write my own version of FPSC which can rival what we already have.

All the same, I'm glad that topic is done with

EAI, another of those legends, I agree it's like castle defense, but it's sill fun to play. I think it's really like one of those game where you don't know the exact apeal but find it incredible addictive and never stop playing...

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 17:24
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Wow conjured, thanks for taking up for my flag! That post was 100% correct and i appreciate it very much

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 18:27
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Lol I like your sig General Jackson, i think its funny.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 19:14 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 19:17
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Quote: "Wow conjured, thanks for taking up for my flag! That post was 100% correct and i appreciate it very much"

Well, I wasn't really taking up for it as much as I was just trying to set the record straight before I had to witness another civil war slavery debate.

It seems only southerners have a clear understanding about the civil war, and yes I had ancestors who fought in it.
I am not proud to be associated to any war though, especially one that is the worst in America's history.
I feel that all wars are one less reason to feel proud about anything; instead I feel sorrow for the loss endured by the families that participate.
It is a shame that humans insist on using violence to enable varying societies to coexist, and wars are why I do not consider earthlings as being civilized.
Once they become intelligent enough to rationally resolve their differences of opinion, then the one race, the human race, might have a chance at survival for the species.
But, until there is global population control, war is our only means of keeping mankind’s numbers from reaching critical levels that would endanger the planet. (The Earth is already overpopulated with human beings)
So, pick your political and religious sides and lets all kill each other like good little humanoids who want to save the planet from it's virus.


Did someone say Armageddon?
We may be seeing a lot of old flags flying very soon.
NWO ~ 2012 ~ FTW

LOL
No, that’s right, they said Nazi Zombies (yeah that was the topic, Nazi Zombies) ...and I say v117 Beta 5; get some!

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 20:25 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 20:27
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Quote: "As a matter of fact, you may want to reconsider your opinion on TGC’s logo, since the Pyramids of ancient Egypt were associated to slavery long before the Confederate Flag ever was."


I don't think I said anything about slavery.

That flag, to me and to many many other Americans, represents a people who still won't accept our current union and nationhood. And the fact that teenagers today use it as a way to show themselves as "rebels" shows they don't understand what the flag means.

If I was going to mention slavery I would say that while the war was not exclusively fought over slavery, the war decided the issue for many Americans. That is not an opinion, that is a fact.

There's a reason why the flag is not flown over the White House, or next to the American flag in the Senate and the House of Representatives. It reminds people of a dark time in which our nation pitted brother against brother.

You cannot accurately say that when someone has the flag anywhere they know the whole history behind it.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 21:35 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 22:53
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Quote: "That flag, to me and to many many other Americans, represents a people who still won't accept our current union and nationhood."

Your rejection of that flag or a state’s right to be a part of this union goes against what your union is supposed to represent, which is freedom.
Yeah, I guess there are two main types of unions, forced and voluntary.
You can't force a union and expect that to work, because it is simply tyrannical and the ones being oppressed will eventually rebel.
Any state in these United States has a RIGHT to secede from the union.
The federal government has no right to force anyone into citizenship against their will.
Thomas Jefferson said that if a law is made that infringes upon your civil liberties then it is not only your right to break it, but it is also your duty!
Don’t forget the founders of this nation were “rebels” and “outlaws” who went against their government, and guaranteed us the right to bear arms to protect us from a tyrannical government.
Flying that flag is more patriotic than flying the other one if you want to get technical about it.

"By definition the difference between a confederation and a federation is that the membership of the member states in a confederation is voluntary, while the membership in a federation is not."

Quote: "There's a reason why the flag is not flown over the White House, or next to the American flag in the Senate and the House of Representatives. It reminds people of a dark time in which our nation pitted brother against brother."

Yeah, and there is a reason the other one still hangs high in Mississippi; because there are still some people who will not be ruled by tyrants.

Quote: "You cannot accurately say that when someone has the flag anywhere they know the whole history behind it."

Never said I wanted to say that.
Just that people should ignore things that offend them rather than expecting the world to have identical views as them.
It is up to you whether you get offended by something or not, and not up to the person or thing that you find offensive, whether they intend it or not.
I’m sorry you feel that it is unpatriotic for someone to fly a Rebel Flag, but that is what freedom and this nation are all about; everyone has the right to their own beliefs and we can all respect that without getting offended.

Once again I request we go back on topic...

Nazi Zombies

I think I will make a Hitler retexture too.

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Soviet176
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Wow conjured very nice speech, I knew little about the american history but now I know a little bit more. I think the thing I like the most about this forum is it allows people from all over the world to partake in it. Be it confederate, communist, democracy, you name it. And if you think about it, we still all get a long most of the time.

But, as for nazi zombies, I would love to make a game like it.

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 22:24 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 22:51
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Quote: "I think the thing I like the most about this forum is it allows people from all over the world to partake in it. Be it confederate, communist, democracy, you name it. And if you think about it, we still all get a long most of the time"

Yeah, diversity is great and it's why freedom of expression is neccessary for cultural diversity.

I'm a socialist who believes in capitalism if you can imagine that.

You can hate me now.

But don't worry, my Hitler won't be a Muslim carrying an Amercian flag.



Quote: "North Iowa Tea Party co-founder Bob Johnson said he and other leaders agreed with critics that the image of Obama between Hitler and Lenin was offensive. He said the images overwhelmed the intended message of anti-socialism.

“They are absolutely right in their criticism because the image of Hitler just totally wiped everything else and it misrepresents the tea party movement,” Johnson said. “They were right from the standpoint that the image was not a positive reflection on the tea people.”"

I fail to see where it is offensive, except for the part of calling people naive. (Nazi's were/are NOT fearful, and all leaders prey on the naive)
It only implies those men are radical leaders; it never says so.
And being compared to men who died fighting for what they believe in is not offensive to me.
People who easily get offended can do so for any reason, so there is no point in sacrificing my beliefs for the sake of offending others.


I'm not trying to get political here (even though we are talking about Nazi's), just trying to saying that there is a broad grey area when defining what is offensive and what is not.

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General Jackson
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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 22:48
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Quote: "And the fact that teenagers today use it as a way to show themselves as "rebels" shows they don't understand what the flag means."

Which I strongly resent. I am not at all a rebel - I am a confederate.

Maybe i should revise my sig to say "Proud confederate, NOT rebel or Redneck"


Also I am from Iowa conjured and if im not mistaken that awesome billboard was put up in Iowa

Oh, and urlforce, I resent the Union and hope the South Secedes again (which is constitutional, and it was when they did in 1861 )

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Posted: 16th Jul 2010 23:12 Edited at: 16th Jul 2010 23:34
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Quote: "Maybe i should revise my sig to say "Proud confederate, NOT rebel or Redneck""

Any political or religious ties in a sig is asking for trouble, and by that I mean the ones who refuse to let your beliefs differ from theirs without persecuting you for it will be bugging.

I would advise cutting those type of ties, unless your games and media are intended to be political.

Not that I think you should remove it because it offends anyone, but that it won't cause you anymore grief in your gaming endeavors.
As it stands, there will probably be a lot more people who oppose it and get turned off to your stuff because of it, than the number of those who understand your use of it.
So, in other words politics and religion are personal beliefs and are therefore better off left out of business unless you are a Preacher or a Politician.

Although, don't forget your supporters...
Quote: "Lol I like your sig General Jackson, i think its funny"




Quote: "I resent the Union and hope the South Secedes again (which is constitutional, and it was when they did in 1861 )"

It has puzzled me for years now why some of the Southern states are not pursuing this idea in modern times.
The fact that it is their right to do so should be enough in this day and age for it to happen peacefully and successfully.
I can't imagine the nation allowing a modern day tyrant to wield power from the white house and undermind the constitution. (oops I forgot about George Bush & the "Patriot" act)

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Well then, how about I put it this way?

GJ associates himself with confederates... a political statement, and puts it in his signature. Urlforce has stated that he is offended by this. No action taken.

I did NOT associate myself with Hitler... a joke, twisting words for the sake of humor. However, the moment someone said "I'm offended" my signature was removed.

You can chalk it up to "genocide" versus "rebellion" all you want, but at the end of the day, one person is associating with a political view that someone else finds offensive and gets away with it, while someone who made a TAME joke about a nazi couldn't even keep a sig for longer than a few days.

Quote: "Any political or religious ties in a sig is asking for trouble, and by that I mean the ones who refuse to let your beliefs differ from theirs without persecuting you for it will be bugging."


The AUP forbids religious speak on these boards... not entirely sure about politics, though I think it is alright with them. I never got why they would allow politics and not religion, because fundamentally they are the same. Whose side you are on and what you believe in...


Quote: "Oh, and urlforce, I resent the Union and hope the South Secedes again (which is constitutional, and it was when they did in 1861 )"


Am I missing something here? Is that not the same as being a rebel? Or do I need to go look up what a rebel is again? Seperating the country at this point would just be asking for trouble. There are better ways of handling political issues in the country than saying "forget you, I'm making my own country". Tha's right up there with you telling me to get lost because I had an opinion.


Quote: "I can't imagine the nation allowing a modern day tyrant to wield power from the white house and undermind the constitution. (oops I forgot about George Bush & the "Patriot" act)"


People are too consumed by capitalism to really care what happens politically. Nor do they consider that an option, really. To whom is the final judgement call up to? The people. The people can't agree on which oppressor to vote into office, let alone whether to put up with it or leave.
It all boils down to the notion that "I can't make a difference, so why even try?"


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No, its not being a rebel, IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL TO SECEDE. Obama is a potential tyrant and I want to LEAVE the union. There is nothing rebellious about wanting something to happen that is SUPPORTED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

Quote: "As it stands, there will probably be a lot more people who oppose it and get turned off to your stuff because of it, than the number of those who understand your use of it.
So, in other words politics and religion are personal beliefs and are therefore better off left out of business unless you are a Preacher or a Politician."

Your right, I think i will make a new sig now

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Posted: 17th Jul 2010 01:58 Edited at: 17th Jul 2010 02:01
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Okay, you know what I believe?

I believe that political discussions (especially from people really strong about their beliefs) SUCK. Please, this is a game dev forum. Leave your politics out of it.

I haven't been around that long and I've already had enough political stereotyping to last a lifetime.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2010 02:35 Edited at: 17th Jul 2010 04:42
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Quote: "I am from Iowa conjured"

Quote: "Obama is a potential tyrant and I want to LEAVE the union."


Let's take a look at the attached 1861 Civil War map. You want the south to secede from the Union, again. And you want to secede with them. Well if that's the case you should probably relocate to a southern state or at least a former union/confederate border state. Simple geography.

Edit: If I get slapped/banned for being offended because of someone using an offensive flag in their signature so be it. My point in posting the above was to show not everyone who claims to be from the south is from the south. Did I ask GJ where he was from? No. He volunteered that information. He can support the South "riding again" that's his choice. But when I get called out on my being offended because of a flag, and a user puts forth information that further offends me, I believe I have a right to defend myself by presenting facts, geographical or otherwise.

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If you guys want to argue about politics, do it somewhere else. How is this about Nazi Zombies anymore? There is a reason personal beliefs are personal beliefs.

General Jackson, stop preaching about the constitution and the Confederates.

Urlforce, stop provoking more argument.

Ply, I do agree with your previous argument, but the current is plain ridiculous.

Conjured, take that billboard down.

All of the above listed, I sense a slap/temp ban.

Shadowtroid, you stole the words right out of my mouth.

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A slap or ban? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've broken the AUP here. I don't think this current discussion could even be considered flaming.

Quote: "No, its not being a rebel, IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL TO SECEDE. Obama is a potential tyrant and I want to LEAVE the union. There is nothing rebellious about wanting something to happen that is SUPPORTED BY THE CONSTITUTION."


From Dictionary.com:
Quote: "rebel -noun
1: a person who refuses allegiance to, resists, or rises in arms against the government or ruler of his or her country."


Constitutional or not, that is a rebellious statement to make. You're refusing allegiance to the USA, thus you are a rebel.
Face it, man, the constitution was written by rebels. They encourage rebellious behavior if the need for it arises.


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With all due respect Ply, you're all out of line (and the AUP). I just hate seeing everyone arguing about politics when this was originally about Nazi Zombies and how many people are trying to recreate the minigame. How does GJ thinking President Barack Obama is a tyrant relate to that at all? How does rebellion have to do with that? How does our nations past have to do with Nazi Zombies? Come on guys. GET ONTOPIC.

Excerpt from directly from the AUP.

Quote: "Due to continuous problems the following subjects are also banned from discussion on all of our forums:

3.8 Debate about any form of pro or anti government sentiments, irrespective of which government"


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So it does.

Well, then I'll contact a Mod just in case none of them have dropped in to see what's been going on and they can take the course of action they see fit.

You're right, it has gone on long enough.


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Posted: 17th Jul 2010 05:33 Edited at: 17th Jul 2010 05:42
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Quote: "Conjured, take that billboard down."

Unless you failed to notice, that billboard is depicting a certain Nazi that we were talking about making a texture for.

Quote: "Come on guys. GET ONTOPIC."


I have been on the topic of Nazi's the whole time.

But right now I am having issues with v117.

Quote: "
"Due to continuous problems the following subjects are also banned from discussion on all of our forums:

3.8 Debate about any form of pro or anti government sentiments, irrespective of which government""

I never realized this was a debate about pro or anti government sentiments.
Someone said his flag was mildy offensive and I disagreed.
It is hard to talk about a flag without it being related to some form of government.
I am sorry that some of you don't want to hear anything other than yourself.
So, yeah, maybe they will ban us all, then you won't have any chance of being offended.

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Posted: 17th Jul 2010 06:08 Edited at: 17th Jul 2010 08:50
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I'll say one last word.
the U.S.A is NOT my country, it is the country that was forced upon us in 1865.
I am a Confederate and that flag is MY COUNTRIES FLAG, and if it offends you then your flag offends me.

Anyways, I love Nazi zombies and hope people keep making NZ games

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ZOMBIE

trying to get on topic

Who da man?!
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This thread is going nowhere fast. I really wish people would email when things start getting off topic like this.

Your signature has been [mod edited] :-p
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Yet another thread dissolves into mindless bickering. *sigh*



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