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basjak
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Posted: 13th Jul 2013 13:21
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when are we going to have a stable release?

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MarcoBruti
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Posted: 13th Jul 2013 14:00
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Quote: "when are we going to have a stable release?"

I think never, and they have started working on AGKv2
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Posted: 13th Jul 2013 16:09
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Quote: "I think never, and they have started working on AGKv2"


Because they are waiting for Lee to come back from vacation to fix some bugs. 108 is still being worked on. Who knows if they will be able to fix all known bugs or not. But 108 will see a final release.

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Posted: 13th Jul 2013 17:20
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Quote: "Because they are waiting for Lee to come back from vacation to fix some bugs. "

I did not know about Lee's holidays, but I was joking, of course. It is only a matter of deciding when, hoping that no major bugs will be detected in the meantime. Long life to Lee, Paul and Rick
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Posted: 13th Jul 2013 17:55
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Quote: "I did not know about Lee's holidays"


Read all about it here.

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Posted: 14th Jul 2013 19:51
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setTextDepth() doesn't seem to do anything The text is always in front of sprites no matter what I do. Bug?

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Posted: 14th Jul 2013 21:20
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Quote: "setTextDepth() doesn't seem to do anything The text is always in front of sprites no matter what I do. Bug?"


Works fine for me

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Posted: 14th Jul 2013 21:41 Edited at: 14th Jul 2013 21:46
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Quote: "Works fine for me"

My scenario might have been it then. I had
3D field
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sprite
text

but it gave me
3D field
sprite
text
text

Edit: Nevermind it was a user incompetence error. Apparently I played with moving a few depths around in the past and forgot. I assumed AppGameKit defaults It works fine

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Posted: 14th Jul 2013 22:01
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swissolo, I assume that you mean SetTextDepth on a Text object and not for the Print command.

If you use SetTextDepth for a Text object and you want it to appear behind a Sprite, then make sure to use SetSpriteDepth with a depth less than that used for Text.

I've had no trouble with these commands (as long as they are done in the correct order).

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Posted: 14th Jul 2013 23:27
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Quote: "swissolo, I assume that you mean SetTextDepth on a Text object and not for the Print command.

If you use SetTextDepth for a Text object and you want it to appear behind a Sprite, then make sure to use SetSpriteDepth with a depth less than that used for Text."

Oh yes of course the problem was that I had moved the backing sprite depth at one point and forgot silly me

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Posted: 20th Jul 2013 00:25 Edited at: 20th Jul 2013 00:34
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getOrientationSensorExists() returns 0 on my phone, despite the fact that the orientation commands work fine anyone else had this issue? (Android)

Edit: Additionally, it seems setTransitionMode(0) does not affect my transition type.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2013 09:11 Edited at: 20th Jul 2013 09:14
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getOrientationSensorExists() returns 0 on my phone, despite the fact that the orientation commands work fine anyone else had this issue? (Android)
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Confirmed GetOrientationSensorExists() not working on my Android tablet or Blackberry Playbook, however it is working on Windows8 Ultrabook (which I think Lee originally wrote it for).

@Paul
Could this command be updated to work on all platforms (for v108)?
Or, if not, could you please add a note to the on-line help page saying which platforms it works on.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2013 19:48
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Quote: "Confirmed GetOrientationSensorExists() not working on my Android tablet or Blackberry Playbook, however it is working on Windows8 Ultrabook (which I think Lee originally wrote it for)."

At least I'm not crazy this time It certainly should be made a cross platform command though. Despite its simplicity, it's important to keeping AppGameKit projects down to the write once kind of setup. For now I'll simply determine it by OS, but as you said, that isn't a 100% reliable solution.

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Posted: 20th Jul 2013 19:49 Edited at: 20th Jul 2013 20:08
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EDIT: New thought.

I suspect that in Android and iOS, the orientation detection is not done by directly checking some sensor. Which makes this command only applicable to Windows 8 devices, I think.

In Android, the GetOrientation command returns the value from 'act.getWindowManager().getDefaultDisplay().getRotation()'. This is done in a Java file (AGKHelper.java).

In iOS the AppGameKit core responds to messages about orientation changes from the iOS base. I cannot find the exact code that supplies the information.

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2013 04:49
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Much issues....
We need the LIGHT version cause there are much things in AppGameKit 108 that don't work with the OBJ C.
This time i switched to 1076 completely, because Facebook SDK have some bugs inside (i just discovered) and i need to integrate only what i need.
I have 52 apps, and i'm updating all.

For much reasons (and are too much to be listed, always related to OBJ C), i need the LIGHT version with NO AdMob, NO Facebook, NO twitter, no additions.

When the 108 will be ready and the TGC team will start AppGameKit V2, before they start, i suggest to do the final 108 and 108 LIGHT with completely no additions!!!

Sorry for this, but i think who use iOS need it, as i really need it.

Long life to Steve!
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Posted: 22nd Jul 2013 06:55
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Quote: "I suspect that in Android and iOS, the orientation detection is not done by directly checking some sensor. Which makes this command only applicable to Windows 8 devices, I think."

Perhaps the command requires a different name in that case, but there still ought to be a way to check for orientation support across all platforms.

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2013 17:05
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I'm pretty certain that there is orientation support for all supported platforms.

It's just that that particular command was created for Windows 8 (or just plain Windows) specifically. The help page should be updated to reflect that.

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2013 20:31 Edited at: 22nd Jul 2013 20:31
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Quote: "I'm pretty certain that there is orientation support for all supported platforms.

It's just that that particular command was created for Windows 8 (or just plain Windows) specifically. The help page should be updated to reflect that."

I suppose that is true, because most versions of Windows will simply return 1 whenever getOrientation() is called, but at least in my case, a chunk of code becomes uneeded if a given OS is locked into 1 orientation. I suppose it isn't too painful to continue checking whether or not the orientation has changed, despite the fact it never will, but the command set would seem more complete if it was possible to tell if the orientation is locked on a given OS. It would mean I wouldn't need to initial anything that would never be used.

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Posted: 22nd Jul 2013 21:12
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If you know the platforms that your app is targeted for, then you know whether you need to check for orientation changes.

If it is Windows or Mac, no orientation changes are expected.

If it is iOS, Android or Blackberry, then you may need to check for changes. Unless you lock the orientation yourself, which is doable. I don't know the details for Blackberry builds, but I know how to make sure that iOS and Android start and stay in the correct orientation. There are things to do in the projects (Xcode for iOS, or AndroidManifest.xml for Android) that are separate from the AppGameKit code which instructs which orientation(s) are allowed. In Tier 2, you have an additional instruction which lets the device know that it has been set to a specific orientation (agk:rientationChanged(<1-4>.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 04:30
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Quote: "If you know the platforms that your app is targeted for, then you know whether you need to check for orientation changes.

If it is Windows or Mac, no orientation changes are expected."

This is what I've been doing for the time being, but my concern is the few odd balls. For example, some Android devices act as desktops and don't allow orientation changes. I don't really see AppGameKit recognising this or similar conditions though, so I suppose you are correct. There really isn't a need for an overarching command.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 17:51
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Quote: "If it is Windows or Mac, no orientation changes are expected."


This is not true. Many netbooks and ultrabooks can respond to orientation change. So can the Surface Pro.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 18:02
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I meant Windows or Mac desktop.

And, in hindsight, there is no way to detect if the Windows or Mac is running on a desktop or laptop (netbook, ultrabook, etc.).

How good are netbooks and ultrabooks at dealing with orientation changes?

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 18:06
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I'm sure there are SDK methods for this. However, I'm on holiday, so I'm not going to download the SDK!

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 18:19
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But the SDKs are only useful if working in Tier 2, which allows access to extra stuff. And this is an issue that lots of Tier 1 people will want to deal with.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 19:51
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Quote: "This is not true. Many netbooks and ultrabooks can respond to orientation change. So can the Surface Pro."

That's what the current command is for isn't it? To check for these special windows variants?

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 19:55
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That's what it sounds like it is for.

Now we need someone with each of the devices mentioned to test to see if the command returns 1.

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2013 21:54 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2013 21:55
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This is interesting...

I have an ASUS eeePad transformer TF101 (the oldest one!). It has the mini keyboard/dock station with extra battery and storage.

It never occurred to me to test it while docked... DOH!

Got me thinking... I wonder what getkeyboardexists() will return when its docked?

I will try this out when I can.

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Windows 8 has all orientation stuff built in. In fact, a quick look at the SDK indicates that apps will not be approved for the Store if they don't handle snapping and orientation changes correctly.

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