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NIlooc223
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Posted: 6th Aug 2013 20:38
Does anyone else on these fourms suffer from this? I have recently been suffering from DR and was curious if anyone else is suffering from this disorder. If you don\'t know what it is it basically makes the world surreal and dream like. It can make you feel out of your body or watching the world through a camera. It is a terrible feeling. Mine usually ends up involving extreme anxiety and panic attacks. Anyways does anyone else suffer from this and if so what do you do to help yourself feel better?
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Posted: 6th Aug 2013 21:44
I agree with you Mr.Handy. Very well said. haha
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Posted: 6th Aug 2013 23:46
Quote: "Mine usually ends up involving extreme anxiety and panic attacks."


And why is this?

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 00:00
I too get this. I made some stupid moved the last year involving psychedelic.. substances, so to speak. I also got too deep into philosophy and the like and soon enough found myself on another plane. I had the sense to question whether I was waking up to the real reality or slipping into a dream world. The resulting confusion and detoxing has left me feeling disconnected from reality and completely unsure about anything. I live in a world of maybes and possibilities, no certainties, and, occasionally, when it gets real bad, the outside world feels like a hologram inside my head that could fall apart at any moment.

I don't have any real answers to this, but I can tell you this. This is when I realised my own strength to keep putting one foot in front of the other, in the face of apparent danger. It's also opened up many new perspectives to things, which although sometimes feels quite uncomfortable, I don't consider a bad thing. The way I like to think about it is that we all have a monkey inside our heads, and he's in charge of our emotions and feelings. You gotta tame your monkey and make him feel good when it's necessary, even if you're feeling disconnected. This can be done by dressing yourself up all good looking and going out for a drink with your friends, listening to your favourite music, watching a funny film or completely losing yourself in an intellectual conversation. You are rewarding your monkey by doing this and it will make him, and by proxy, you, feel good, and at that moment you will feel connected again.

Whenever you find yourself thinking about it too much, cut off the thought and think about something else. With time and practice the feeling starts to go away.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 00:13
@Zotoaster

I believe that is what also caused mine to begin. It all started after I had a marijuana induced trip. After that It has been getting worse and worse. Now I feel slightly disconnected all the time sometimes this follows with a slight bit of a vertigo feeling and a feeling where my body feels super light.

@Wolf
Because the feelings can be overwhelming and I already suffer from anxiety.
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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 00:21
Depression? Yes. Feeling out-of-body on a regular basis? No. Philisophically, none of this is real or meaningful or predictable, but for me feeling out-of-body is kind of like a drug trip, something I don't experience as often as I should. Do you look all strung out when you walk around?
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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 00:21 Edited at: 7th Aug 2013 00:37
I can relate to that detached feeling. Sometimes it is like a hyper-awareness, I can do great work in that mode but it also makes me extremely self-conscious and nervous in crowds because my brain is trying to take everything in at once and being overloaded. Drinking from a glass is tough for me in that mode because I can't help concentrating on every tiny movement I'm making and that makes me become stiff — although I'm starting to get over that problem now.

Quote: "I live in a world of maybes and possibilities, no certainties, and, occasionally, when it gets real bad, the outside world feels like a hologram inside my head that could fall apart at any moment."

That is reality. What we perceive is merely our brain's interpretation of our surroundings, it's not true reality.

These kind of thoughts can be very unsettling, but also very interesting and cool. I think socialising and getting out into nature are very important for staying sane and not getting too bogged down in existentialist thoughts.

I don't do narcotics but I have had a few mind-bending experiences without them. The most recent was only about a month ago, when I was in one of those hyer-sensitive modes I mentioned above, I can't remember why but I suddenly felt like I was looking at my own hands for the first time or from someone else's perspective, I noticed how skinny my fingers were and I thought my little fingers looked abnormally small, then I could swear I saw them shrinking before my eyes! It creeped me out, but I also felt like I'd seen things with more clarity than before. Very weird.
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Sleep more, get out more, and lay off the alcohol. At least, those three things helped me when I began to feel that life was like a dream.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 00:48
Quote: "That is reality. What we perceive is merely our brain's interpretation of our surroundings, it's not true reality."


Precisely. My quest for understanding the world combined with some bad habits led me to feel completely differently about how I experience it. This is why I've come to believe that sanity is really just a healthy delusion. I sometimes long to be back there because ignorance is bliss. Even better I'd rather just understand it rather than feel it viscerally. But you're also right, it can lead to some epic and insightful experiences.

Incidentally I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 01:09
Quote: " I made some stupid moved the last year involving psychedelic.. substances, so to speak"


Why do you concider that a stupid move? I can't see how it could be.

I get that feeling too, altough I have a more esoteric approach to these things most you'll just flat out call BS however:...maybe we are in the process of evolving and our younger generations will have it even more. You all know that evolution didnt end with us growing opposable thumbs,right?

@Nilooc:
Quote: " I already suffer from anxiety. "


You see, my question remains. Why? Why the anxiety?

However, I find it extremely fascinating that there are already 4 of us having these on a regular basis. Makes one feel less alone with it.



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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 01:23 Edited at: 7th Aug 2013 01:27
Quote: "However, I find it extremely fascinating that there are already 4 of us having these on a regular basis"

Real derealization and depersonalization are bad. You all need to visit a doctor. What if you loose control while driving a car?

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 01:27
You dont loose control over anything. Which is why I think Niloocs anxiety, which could cause trouble while driving a car, is the issue one needs to adress.



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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 01:58
I haven't lost control but I've certainly come very close. Everything becomes so confusing and you forget where you are and don't know what to do.

Quote: "Why do you concider that a stupid move? I can't see how it could be."


Assuming non-sarcasm, because now I have to deal with this bs!

I have considered seeing a doctor but they're always so eager to make diagnoses and prescribe more drugs. That's last resort stuff right there. I think I need some more information on this matter.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 02:26
I suffer from this for a while since I've gotten a full blown anxiety disorder. Exercise helps, long exercise like jogging that takes hours. It reminds you that you are your body and the things around you matter and are real.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 03:12
Anxiety is just from the stress of my life. I have been dealing with a huge ammount of stress + a lack of sleep. I barley get any sleep.
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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 03:29
According to the wikipedia articles on derealisation and depersonalisation, they can be a result of stress and lack of sleep. I don't think this is one pot induced trip in this case, or if it was, it was only the straw that broke the camel's back. In my (non-professional) opinion, you need to take a week or two away and just relax. Even if it doesn't get you back to normal, it can't hurt.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 05:04
Quote: "because now I have to deal with this bs!

I have considered seeing a doctor but they're always so eager to make diagnoses and prescribe more drugs. That's last resort stuff right there. I think I need some more information on this matter."


Yeah, I wasnt aware it was that bad with you. Whatever you do, research whatever they prescribe you if you consult a doctor.

Quote: " It reminds you that you are your body"


You actually believe that? Oh well

Quote: "I barley get any sleep.stress. "


I see! Sounds like you have private problems you need to sort out. I'm with zototaster, you really should take a few days off.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 05:18
I wish I could find a way. But currently I am dealing with court stuff along with school and debt. Relationship issues with family and friends. I feel like there really is no escape from this stress.
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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 07:48
Something that helps me is reminding myself that, no matter what's happening in my life, the anxiety I'm feeling is just a feeling within myself. It's not external harm like someone stabbing you, it's an emotion that's happening in your brain. Life still carries on no matter what you're feeling, and you're no less capable in your actions despite the anxiety.

A medication can also help too, if that's an option. I'd avoid benzodiazepines since they're short term and have dependency issues. Since anxiety and depression are closely related, antidepressants work for anxiety too. Don't let anyone, including people on this forum, dissuade you from medication, since that's just a social stigma. You don't have to be on it for the rest of your life.

Quote: "You actually believe that? Oh well"


If this is a contentious view to hold then perhaps you're not the guy that should be giving advice to anxious people.

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 08:52
Quote: "If this is a contentious view to hold then perhaps you're not the guy that should be giving advice to anxious people."


No, I didn't mean it in a hostile way at all. I just asked because its the exact opposite of my personal believes. The oh well was more ment as an "if so, there is probably nothing I could do about it"

About giving advice: I was rather anxious in my younger teen years and got out of it so I feel like I could offer help...or maybe just offer compassion.

Quote: "I wish I could find a way. But currently I am dealing with court stuff along with school and debt. Relationship issues with family and friends. I feel like there really is no escape from this stress. "


That sure is a lot! I wish you best luck with it and keep your head high. I dont think any of us can really give you good advice on this since we dont know the details. You can however always e-mail me if you want some total stranger who listens



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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 12:01
If you ask me, complaining about your mental/emotional issues is pointless. You sound like a woman. Don't be part of the problem!
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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 14:56
Quote: "If you ask me, complaining about your mental/emotional issues is pointless. You sound like a woman. Don't be part of the problem!"


Complaining about people complaining about something you don't understand is pointless. Don't be part of the problem!

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 15:12
Quote: "If you ask me, complaining about your mental/emotional issues is pointless. You sound like a woman. Don't be part of the problem!"

That's offensive on a number of levels. Honestly.

I hope you never seek help from people and get a similar response.


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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 19:49
Quote: "You sound like a woman."

[trolling] I don't think he is sound like a woman, I can't differ him from the others. [/trolling]

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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 20:32 Edited at: 7th Aug 2013 20:50
Quote: "If you ask me, complaining about your mental/emotional issues is pointless. You sound like a woman. Don't be part of the problem! "



I think people should stop faffing about their own masculinity, it's terribly self conscious...I didn't think being self conscious was a particularly manly thing? *Shrugs* People have problems, sticking your fingers in your ears going, "la la la, but I'm a man!" isn't going to solve them, if anything, it'd make things worse.

Anyhow. You say you've got depression. I would say that attitude is the kind of thing that would make it worst. It's the case for any kind of mental issue. Addressing them is the first step. I can understand not wanting to seem whiny, I can relate to that - maybe not sounding like a woman (I have no hang ups about masculinity), but very few people know (I have only recent actually spoken about it), but I have depression. I don't want to burden people with my problems, but then they seem small and it'd feel like I'm whining.

I don't know what it's like for you. But if it's just a case of having your masculinity threatened, it's not an issue and not something to worry about (perhaps easier said than done). I am too put off by the idea of coming off as whiny, but having problems != whining. Also, a lot of men out there, some seemingly manly men, address their mental and emotional issues. People who promote the idea that men cannot address their mental and emotional problems are fools and are a part of the problem.

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In my (not very limited) experience people who question the masculinity of others generally are more worried about their own masculinity being questioned. I hope to be proven wrong some day.

In this case I think FR was trying to help. Either way don't take my comment to heart, it's just an observation.


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Posted: 7th Aug 2013 22:39
I'm just going to stay out of this little fight before it gets bigger :p....
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I didn't mean to spark an argument, I was only trying to "pee" off the female readers a little bit. No point in putting me on post moderation.
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I suppose it's hard to tell. But either way I think it's bad advice. The reason I say that is because I'm the kind of person who does bottle it in, rather than addressing or talking about it. In that respect I'm talking from experience. Not for the same reasons Fluffy is suggesting, but you don't resolve problems by ignoring them.

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Ignoring them is really unhealthy and soon or later you will blow up. Ignoring issues and not addressing them is usually what causes people to snap and can cause a lot of mental issues. I'm actually addressing a lot of issues right now and just got one issue of my chest. I already feel a bit better.
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Quote: "In my (not very limited) experience people who question the masculinity of others generally are more worried about their own masculinity being questioned. I hope to be proven wrong some day."

Are you asking me out?
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Wasn't me, although my mouse did hover there for a moment

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No, sorry. My wife wouldn't approve...


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Quote: "No, sorry. My wife wouldn't approve..."


She doesn't have to know.


Quote: " I didn't mean to spark an argument, I was only trying to "pee" off the female readers a little bit. No point in putting me on post moderation. "


No worries. Perhaps you could try asking one to make you a sandwich.


Quote: "I'm actually addressing a lot of issues right now and just got one issue of my chest. I already feel a bit better. "


This is good. It's amazing that talking about a little makes a difference. I ended up discovering my depression when I had an episode not that long ago, I spoke to people on the net who I thought would understand or make head or tails of it. They said it sounds like depression, I did a lot of research and found the symptoms eerily close. But I was then able to talk about it and it snapped me out of the episode. The problem still exists, but knowing it's there makes it easier to address and work around.

So I am glad that you're already feeling better mate. People tend to recommend things like seeing a doctor, I've yet to do that myself, but I suppose it's good advice, they can point you in the right direction.

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Quote: "She doesn't have to know."

I say, are you suggesting I add lies to infidelity? What kind of Mod do you take me for (I'm free after ten)


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Quote: "I say, are you suggesting I add lies to infidelity? What kind of Mod do you take me for (I'm free after ten)"


It's after 10 now. I'll catch the next train to Derby.

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Just when you thought it was safe to go back to the forum.

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The brain is a deeply influential tool. Isn't it possible that, by living your life with the thought that you might be depressed [ie. convincing yourself that you are, in fact, depressed], might worsen your outlook on life? Why not try and find the things that make your happy and think about those? Maybe find a passion or a hobby. By doing so, you can begin to find yourself through what you love and rid yourself of this feeling of depersonalization as well. Everybody has a personality, I don't believe it's necessarily possible to lose that.

You'd be amazed at the changes a different mindset can make on your physical world. Remember, it's all in your head. Some of you might really benefit from meditation or clearing your mind on a regular basis.

About the out-of-body issue, I practice astral projecting (Out-of-body experiences) nearly everyday through various mental practices. It's not harmful, and you can learn an awful lot about yourself and your life. Maybe just try going with it for once, if you're open-minded.

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Ah, then it must have been Jeku/Thraxas.
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You're never safe.

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I found my escaped. Meditation. I felt so good during and after. I had no problems and it was an amazing experience. I think I will meditate on a daily basis. I think it will really help me.
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It's great that you found something. Definitely sounds like a specific mental issue. Brains are weird. It definitely sounds like things can click in bad ways, even from small things.

Also, @Mr. Fluffy, [buzz] off. (replace w/ swear word of your choice) You've explained yourself and got slapped and even have a good idea of which moderator did it, so now's a good time to stop posting on this thread.


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Wasn't me... I leave a comment when I moderate someone, so they know...

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I waited all night at Derby station...

You're safer on the internet than there I can assure you all.


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Good choice Nilooc!

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Quote: "I waited all night at Derby station...

You're safer on the internet than there I can assure you all."


Sorry, I got held up, Mr Valentine was waiting for me with a better offer. I'm sure you understand, I mean you would have done the same in my shoes. No hard feelings bro?


I didn't think Derby station was too bad, but then I've never used it at night.

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Quote: "Sorry, I got held up, Mr Valentine was waiting for me with a better offer. I'm sure you understand, I mean you would have done the same in my shoes. No hard feelings bro?"

I would have done the same thing, Mr.V is a hunk.

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On topic: That's awesome. Everyone should try it some time, I might do some myself next time I have five minutes to spare...

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I've recently become interested in throat singing, it's very relaxing to listen to and also attempting to do it yourself leaves a very calming feeling.
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Quote: "I found my escaped. Meditation. I felt so good during and after. I had no problems and it was an amazing experience. I think I will meditate on a daily basis. I think it will really help me."


Awesome choice, it is very cleansing. Glad you've found your niche! Something else pretty cool to try with meditation is the use of high-frequency crystals. A decent site is this. They've been used for quite awhile all over the world, and they've definitely proved pretty beneficial to me personally.

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Some really beautiful stones on there. I used to collect gemstones but they're so darn expensive that I never really got anything good.
I find it odd how they make all these claims and links with astrology as if it's an exact science. I don't doubt that crystals can affect people but it is a psychological effect and a personal one. Not everyone reacts the same way or at all. It's a placebo, but placebos work, and these are very pretty ones.

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