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Muzzles56
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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:03
My school is introducing a scheme where you can pay a monthly fee in order to get an iPad. (prices depend on model) and comes with a case and 2 years insurance. You can get the iPad Mini, iPad 2 and iPad 4 (If I am getting one, I will be choosing the iPad 4)

Thing is, I don't know if I should get one. The iPad 4 is about £30 per month for 18 months or something like that. I am currently studying my A Levels and am doing ICT, Computing (programming), Physics and French. I do not like Apple as a company because of their business practices either but I do not think bringing in an Android tablet would work because there may be missing apps and would cause problems.

When I come home I do the majority of my work on the computer, so I do not really know if I even need one. I guess I could always read on it during study classes or something.

We do get to keep the iPad so I can use it however I want, but I still need to know if it is worth getting. The school also has Wi-Fi I can use, too.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:09
540 pounds sounds a bit excessive for an ipad no? Nearly twice the price isn't it?

So you have to ask yourself this, is the school trying to make a little money on these sales. You should find out what the school's cut is on this.

I don't see how this will help you in the least. A laptop of the same price would go a lot farther in being productive for your work.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:14
As I said, I don't think thats the proper price, but this includes insurance and warranty and all that guff. I'm sure the school is just trying to make some money, but they advertise that the price offered in the school is less than the retail price.

I don't think we can bring laptops into the school, thats the thing. We are also the first year group to actually try this scheme out, which is unfortunate...

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:15
Quote: "Should I get an iPad for education?"

It's a toy.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:20 Edited at: 6th Sep 2013 00:21
I don't know anything about a levels or whatnot. But if you're a college kid, surely they'd allow you to have your own computer. If not, then the ipad is definitely not right for you. Think of it this way, if you don't need (or are allowed) a laptop, you surely don't need an ipad.

Take that 30 pounds a month and put it right back into your student loans.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:22
I'll enquire about the laptops as I've never seen anybody carry one around, never mind use one.

I dont get student loans at this point, education is still free for me right now

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Absolutely no point for A levels.


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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 00:49
Don't buy an iPad. Ever. For any reason.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 01:24
For the record College is Upper High School in the UK, a bit after High School and before University... Just in case any other Non UK'ers hit on the bite...

Answer... NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, Punch the principle in the pelvis... NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, and NO!!!

I can understand High Schoolers not being allowed Laptops but when you are classified as a young adult now in College, and not being allowed your own laptop... You need to find a better College... Or is it in a troubled estate area?

Sounds like a massive cash gobbling scam to me... Do you have any idea how cheap you can get these direct from wholesale?

Just get a netbook with 2GB (or if you can 4GB) Ram and Windows 7, I found them to overheat with Windows 8 Pro...

You can pick up a decent Netbook for around £200-£250 New... Works out cheaper adding in your own 2GB stick...

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 03:45
Aye, my school district recently purchased close to a hundred iPads to give to a specific grade. Probably the biggest waste of money my school has ever done. Luckily, I'm old enough to not have received one.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2013 20:34
I use an iPad at my college (bought it myself, no school program or anything). I think it was one of the best purchases I've ever made – I bought the cellular version so I don't have to rely on the school's awful WiFi, it is much more discreet than a laptop for note-taking, it is a great replacement for heavy books, and I've written many papers in my spare time on it using a Bluetooth keyboard (which I could then finalize and print with my MacBook thanks to iCloud, although if you are on a PC you could use something like Dropbox).

That said, it really depends on whether or not you can imagine it providing you some usefulness. There's not much point if it will just collect dust, but then again, you may not know what you can do with it until you have it. Do you know anybody else buying into the program?
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I would recommend this ... http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-gb/surface-with-windows-rt/ or the Pro if you can budget for it... but then again Surface 2 is out around the corner I am planning to get at least 1 with 2-3 as the aim...

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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 04:05
This is quite shameful. Schools should not endorse private companies, let alone fence their products to students. They are trying to get you hooked on apple products while you are young and impressionable. What on earth are schools doing using proprietary products in the first place? They should use open-source/free-software and open systems.

Do not buy an iPad for studying! If you were thinking about buying one anyway and it's a good deal for you then go for it, but it is not a tool for serious work, only browsing. Prioritise getting a laptop if you need internet access at college.

Quote: "I don't think we can bring laptops into the school, thats the thing."

I doubt that is true, if they are selling iPads and ban laptops then something is seriously wrong.


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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 05:08
It's the same reason my high school had a soda machine. They're riding the cash train to cash town.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 05:20
Quote: "They're riding the cash train to cash town."


It really is disgusting how schools try to make money. Even more so when you consider how much money they get from the government to buy everything they need. Let's not even get started on how overpaid teachers are!

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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 07:29
Quote: "Do not buy an iPad for studying! If you were thinking about buying one anyway and it's a good deal for you then go for it, but it is not a tool for serious work, only browsing. Prioritise getting a laptop if you need internet access at college."


I strongly disagree. I've done a lot of legitimate work on my iPad, and while I wouldn't recommend it for a massive research paper (at least when I write them, I have a tendency to have 4,000 windows open) it is great for reading, taking notes, and writing/tweaking papers that require fewer resources on the screen at a time.

It seems to me like most people who put the downer on tablets haven't actually tried to seriously use one or are so caught up in one way of doing things that they can't adapt to different software and a different form factor. Yes, there are things that a laptop/desktop are better at doing, but that doesn't make tablets worthless.

Quote: "What on earth are schools doing using proprietary products in the first place? They should use open-source/free-software and open systems."


For the same reason most schools load their computers with Windows (which some people seem so surprised to find is proprietary software), serve Coca-Cola products in vending machines, and force you to purchase expensive textbooks. Most of us live in a capitalistic society, you may as well get used to advertising and commerce since neither will be leaving you alone anytime soon.

Sure, to a point it gets distasteful - but there's a fine line to be walked. Should they use "open-source" contractors to build the school too? Should they "open-source" their food supplies? I understand your sentiment, but it isn't how our world usually works.

Quote: "It really is disgusting how schools try to make money. Even more so when you consider how much money they get from the government to buy everything they need. Let's not even get started on how overpaid teachers are!"


Which government are we talking about? Is this applicable to all schools universally? Because the schools around here seem to be having a rough go of it and I'm impressed with what services they've managed to provide students with a limited budget.
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Quote: "I would recommend this ... http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-gb/surface-with-windows-rt/"


If you are going for a windows device, I would strongly advice not getting an RT version. All developers have abandoned RT and as far as I know, the apps are pretty bad. Plus, an x86 based tablet with the same performance costs about as much.

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Quote: "Which government are we talking about? Is this applicable to all schools universally? Because the schools around here seem to be having a rough go of it and I'm impressed with what services they've managed to provide students with a limited budget."


I forgot my /sarcasm at the end of the comment

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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 16:59 Edited at: 7th Sep 2013 16:59
Tablets are Fad items. You'll use it for about a week, then get bored of it and buy something else that your friends all say is cool and hip.

I had a tablet once. I got it from work on the cheep, used it for facebooking mostly as it wasn't much use for anything else. Couldn't program on it as it wasn't windows, couldn't youtube on it as it didn't support flash and there was no youtube app at the time, couldn't browse forums as the on screen keyboard was awful and a lot of websites at the time used non-tablet friendly menus and stuff which made navigation next to impossible.

I prefer my Note 2, granted the on screen keyboard is as bad as a tablet, but it's more portable, provides more functions, and integrates with almost every electronic gadget I own. (As most of my gadgets are samsung products. TV, Blu-Ray, Laptop, mobile phones. Not to mention that it connects with my xboxes to stream music/videos to those devices too. Can't do that with an iPad without buying expensive add ons.)

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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 17:34 Edited at: 7th Sep 2013 18:06
Quote: "I strongly disagree. I've done a lot of legitimate work on my iPad, and while I wouldn't recommend it for a massive research paper (at least when I write them, I have a tendency to have 4,000 windows open) it is great for reading, taking notes, and writing/tweaking papers that require fewer resources on the screen at a time."

I'm sure you CAN do work with a tablet, but a laptop is undeniably more suited to the task. If you had money to burn then having a tablet beside you to read from while you work on your laptop would be even better. I'm just saying, prioritise the laptop.

Quote: "For the same reason most schools load their computers with Windows, serve Coca-Cola products in vending machines, and force you to purchase expensive textbooks."

Schools, and all other publicly funded organisations, should be removed from that arena. Schools exist to educate the population, not to be commercially viable enterprises. South America and India are leading the way in this respect, developing their own free-software operating systems and software to be used in schools and government.

Quote: "Sure, to a point it gets distasteful - but there's a fine line to be walked. Should they use "open-source" contractors to build the school too? Should they "open-source" their food supplies? I understand your sentiment, but it isn't how our world usually works."

Physical products are different because once you own them, you own them, and can do what you like with them; not so with proprietary software.
I am not familiar with school budgets but I would imagine their contractors would be exempt from paying tax and so the work could be done for less. It would be interesting to discover how it all works. Has anyone here been involved in school budgeting?

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Quote: "I forgot my /sarcasm at the end of the comment"


Oh

Quote: "I'm sure you CAN do work with a tablet, but a laptop is undeniably more suited to the task. If you had money to burn then having a tablet beside you to read from while you work on your laptop would be even better. I'm just saying, prioritise the laptop."


My point was just that it is capable of more than people usually give it credit for. In Muzzles' case, a laptop probably would make more sense if he could get a decent one in his budget, especially since he is taking programming courses. But for many other people I have recommended a tablet because for 90% of their usage it is a more convenient form factor (with a much longer lasting battery - unless perhaps you get one of the newer top-of-the-line ultrabooks or the new MacBook Air). I'm just tired of it being disregarded as a "toy."

A tablet could still be a good option for him if he doesn't plan on programming on the go or doing much more than reading/note-taking, and sticks to his desktop for heavy lifting.

Quote: "Couldn't program on it as it wasn't windows"


So my MacBook, which also isn't running Windows, clearly can't program either

Don't forget things like this. Yea, it is a simplified, limited environment, but it is there. There was a time when you had to cross-compile applications for Mac OS on a much more powerful Apple Lisa, so someday iOS may grow enough to have its own suite of development tools.

Quote: "Schools, and all other publicly funded organisations, should be removed from that arena. Schools exist to educate the population, not to be commercially viable enterprises. South America and India are leading the way in this respect, developing their own free-software operating systems and software to be used in schools and government."


In a lot of ways I agree with the principle, but practically there is more to it. When I was young, all of the computers at my elementary school were iMacs (the early, colorful ones that I sort of miss). The parents and teachers decided that, since most students had PCs at home, it would make more sense for them to learn how to use a computer system they were familiar with and could practice at home - so they bought Dells (which were much more expensive for the school!).

Students tend to have Windows (or Macintosh) laptops, or Windows desktops at home. Linux represents a very, very, very tiny fraction of the school's population. People just don't go out and buy a pre-built Linux computer, they buy a pre-built Windows PC or a Mac. To the school, it doesn't make sense to have an open-source solution that nobody is familiar with and that nobody is likely to have outside of school.

I'm not saying I like it that way - I have a Windows, Mac, and Linux computer all within arm's distance. But I also know people who have looked at a Mac and freaked out because things looking different caused them to mentally dump all knowledge of how to use a computer. It's stupid and frustrating but it is a problem.

Quote: "Physical products are different because once you own them, you own them, and can do what you like with them; not so with proprietary software."


I may own a physical copy of a book, but I don't own the right to copy it. I can't scan it and then give it out to anyone I choose. You can't do absolutely anything you want with a physical object, and the restrictions on most proprietary software are usually not outlandish.
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Quote: "I am not familiar with school budgets but I would imagine their contractors would be exempt from paying tax and so the work could be done for less. It would be interesting to discover how it all works. Has anyone here been involved in school budgeting?"


Yes

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I just got a new laptop for my son, <£400, and it plays Skyrim and BF3 like a dream.

iPad's are good, but they just aren't a valid replacement for a laptop at the same price. Heck, for that money you could get a decent laptop and an android tablet.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2013 19:18
Quote: "Students tend to have Windows (or Macintosh) laptops, or Windows desktops at home. Linux represents a very, very, very tiny fraction of the school's population. People just don't go out and buy a pre-built Linux computer, they buy a pre-built Windows PC or a Mac. To the school, it doesn't make sense to have an open-source solution that nobody is familiar with and that nobody is likely to have outside of school."

That doesn't make much sense to me. Linux is available to everyone, Windows and Mac are not. If they are taught on a GNU/Linux OS at school they can go home and download their own copy for free.

Quote: "I'm not saying I like it that way - I have a Windows, Mac, and Linux computer all within arm's distance. But I also know people who have looked at a Mac and freaked out because things looking different caused them to mentally dump all knowledge of how to use a computer. It's stupid and frustrating but it is a problem."

Schools are the ideal place to challenge that mindset.

Quote: "I may own a physical copy of a book, but I don't own the right to copy it. I can't scan it and then give it out to anyone I choose. You can't do absolutely anything you want with a physical object, and the restrictions on most proprietary software are usually not outlandish. "

But you CAN do what you like with the physical book, it's the information contained that is protected by IP rights. You can lend it to a friend, write notes in the margins, burn it, even put it in a scanner. What you cannot do is print out copies or distribute them digitally.

Books are also different to software in that a book is a work, but software is a tool to create works. Software patents don't just restrict the works that can be created but also how those works can be created.


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I wrote too much and then realized that I'm prone to veering this off into a open source vs. proprietary software discussion, which never amounts to anything and is dreadfully off-topic

I'll shorten it to this: I think of tools as "works" too. Somebody had to come up with the idea, design it, refine it... in many ways, designing a tool (say a piece of software) isn't substantially different than writing a thesis or a book. I see no distinction between "works" and "tools to create works." Thus I see no reason for different rules to govern them.

Quote: "Schools are the ideal place to challenge that mindset."


This I agree with, but it would mean placing many types of computers in schools, not just switching from one lone system to another lone system. And that creates its own problems.
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Quote: "So my MacBook, which also isn't running Windows, clearly can't program either"

Sorry, I forgot that I needed to specify I was programming in a TGC product, on a TGC forum, which is windows only. (DBPro).....

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Quote: "I'll shorten it to this: I think of tools as "works" too. Somebody had to come up with the idea, design it, refine it... in many ways, designing a tool (say a piece of software) isn't substantially different than writing a thesis or a book."

It is very different because of its application. Imagine if screw heads were patented; every manufacturer would have to design and manufacture their own screws, or pay a licence fee to use some elses. You'd need a dozen toolboxes to store all the different screwdrivers for all the different brands of screw! That is what the software industry is coming to. Screw that!

Quote: "I'm prone to veering this off into a open source vs. proprietary software discussion"

Well I think that's inevitable when talking about the hardware/software that schools use.


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Quote: "Sorry, I forgot that I needed to specify I was programming in a TGC product, on a TGC forum, which is windows only. (DBPro)....."


AGK is a TGC product and it works on Mac as well (and Linux? Not sure).

So no, I don't automatically assume that the term "programming" automatically means DBPro on a Windows machine.

Quote: "It is very different because of its application. Imagine if screw heads were patented; every manufacturer would have to design and manufacture their own screws, or pay a licence fee to use some elses. You'd need a dozen toolboxes to store all the different screwdrivers for all the different brands of screw! That is what the software industry is coming to. Screw that!"


Funny thing about that : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#Proprietary_head

I get what you're saying, but I don't really feel it has come to that. I think modern computer systems do a pretty good job of being interoperable so far as the end user is concerned - I'm using a Mac and I can preview and edit MS Office documents, virtually any OS can access the web and its various services, and many popular apps exist on multiple platforms (and for those that don't, there is usually an alternative that can import or convert the file format).

On the developer side, so long as various platforms exist, there will always be various APIs ("screwdrivers" for accessing OS features) and that won't change whether the platforms are open or closed source. The only way to avoid that would be to declare one supreme and above all and eliminate the competition - not ideal IMO. But, we do have the Internet - which is a wonderful example of a standardized platform that all kinds of computer systems can interact on (browser quirks aside).
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Quote: "AGK is a TGC product and it works on Mac as well "

Tier 1 doesn't work on mac, and Linux isn't supported.

Next...

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Quote: "Tier 1 doesn't work on mac, and Linux isn't supported.

Next..."


So we should disregard Tier 2 entirely? Is it a non-entity now? Did somebody throw it out with the bath water?

There's also all those pesky mentions of languages outside of TGC's product line that keep cropping up around here, how am I to assume the scope of the word "programming" includes only DBP?
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Quote: "It really is disgusting how schools try to make money. Even more so when you consider how much money they get from the government to buy everything they need. Let's not even get started on how overpaid teachers are!"


Let's not forget about the obese issues that we're having. Schools have no business having candy/soda machines. Selling expensive gadgets at twice the price and calling it educational is *immoral*. Furthermore, aren't schools in the UK well funded? I thought it was just American schools that are getting the shaft from their government.

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Quote: "It really is disgusting how schools try to make money. "

By exploiting their authority over, and the trust of, their students? Yes, yes it is.


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As someone who works in education and knows how much schools struggle with their pitiful budgets, your feelings on this topic offend me greatly.

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Quote: "Furthermore, aren't schools in the UK well funded?"


Good one.
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Quote: "As someone who works in education and knows how much schools struggle with their pitiful budgets, your feelings on this topic offend me greatly."


*Looks for /sarcasm*

Nothing?

I agree

Most schools are trying to get by with what woefully little money they have to complete a task that many of us take for granted. If they are resorting to "greed" and "exploitation" it is either to shore up tiny budgets (in which case, complain about somebody up the chain) or because, maybe, somebody just thought it would be a really great idea to get a great piece of technology in the hands of students for little to no money down. Maybe they are making a "profit" (which just goes elsewhere in the school) or maybe they aren't, it might depend on the cost of the case and the insurance plan.

There are probably some bad nuggets running a few schools out there - but for the most part I think the majority of those employed at schools are genuinely trying to help the next generation. Many students may be looking at getting themselves an iPad, perhaps an option that spreads the payments out would look appealing to them (it's how us Americans pay for phones, however idiotic in the long run).
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Shouldn't schools be teaching children to be frugal and especially to learn how to spot a predatory loan considering the mess the world's in?

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Quote: "As someone who works in education and knows how much schools struggle with their pitiful budgets, your feelings on this topic offend me greatly."

So that justifies exploitation does it? I totally agree that schools are underfunded but fencing commercial goods to the students is an unethical way of solving the problem. I have no problem with schools making money, if it is done ethically and not exploiting their own students. My school used to hire out its halls, rooms and sports facilities to all kinds of local groups to prop up the budget.


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My high school uses iPads. Honestly, as someone with ADD and anxiety fueled by and fueling my ADD, it really doesn't work out too well. It's great not having to lug books around, so just for that I prefer the iPads, but really, it's more practical just to use whatever you're already using. Especially if it's rental, like yours would be and like mine currently is ($500 per school year to rent an iPad that you don't keep after graduation, but you can pay $225 to keep when you graduate. Also, despite the $500 rental, it's the same iPad throughout your entire high school "carrer")

Also, sorry if some of this has been answered already. Didn't read the whole thread.

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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 03:51
Quote: "£319 [I have an auto currency converter] per school year to rent an iPad that you don't keep after graduation"

What!? That's outrageous! A quick google search shows that the iPad 4, which I think is the latest one, costs around £400.
You are being ripped off.


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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 05:07
Tell me about it. Many, many people have brought up this issue. The general response is "Well, you're saving money on buying real books because we download them and give you the access codes!" Yeah, no. If you know how and where to shop a full set of books won't cost more than $300 (at least for the books my school generally uses).

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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 05:22
since when do highschoolers buy their own books?

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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 08:08
I like to be impartial or balanced in my arguments, so in defense of the schools, keep in mind that their suppliers always hike the price, and I simply never understood the logic, I put it down to incompetent staff or plain idiocy

As with the computers, you might notice how useless they are, and indeed they are usually worth little over £150 but the cost price per unit? Nothing shy of £550~ yup they tag along some nonsensical services per unit... Makes me sick to the bone when I see Primary Schools being duped this way... But it happens...

However don't quote me on those figures, they are just example of the shear problem with the education society today... And I have a dim view on tutors (well mainly the ones I encountered lol) In all my years I have only given one tutor my highest respects, and I hope she is resting well now...

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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 11:32
Quote: "So that justifies exploitation does it? I totally agree that schools are underfunded but fencing commercial goods to the students is an unethical way of solving the problem. I have no problem with schools making money, if it is done ethically and not exploiting their own students. My school used to hire out its halls, rooms and sports facilities to all kinds of local groups to prop up the budget."


Maybe you should buy an iPad install a dictionary app and look up the word unethical .

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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 18:27 Edited at: 10th Sep 2013 18:37
If you think I'm using a word incorrectly you could say, "do you really mean unethical?", instead of being snooty about it. I did check the meaning and that is what I meant.

Quote: "
un·eth·i·cal [uhn-eth-i-kuhl] adjective
1. lacking moral principles; unwilling to adhere to proper rules of conduct.
2. not in accord with the standards of a profession: She treated patients outside the area of her training, and the appropriate medical organization punished her unethical behavior.
"

I fail to see how abusing the trust of students to flog them over-priced tablets they don't need contradicts either of those definitions. Doctors are not allowed to advertise medicines for the same reason, it's an unethical abuse of trust.


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Posted: 10th Sep 2013 23:39
My problem is that you say abuse of trust. HOW exactly is it an abuse of trust? Have you ever worked in education? Have you ever used an iPad on education? If you had, you would know that it is an incredibly useful, wonderfully engaging thing that can transform some students ability to concentrate and learn.

I don't agree with your argument that things students use should be open source and blah blah blah... Considering the amount of my own money I have to spend on resources while working at different schools because otherwise the students would miss out means that I'm all for schools making money.

Also my post wasn't snooty, it was funny.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2013 00:23
Quote: "Considering the amount of my own money I have to spend on resources while working at different schools because otherwise the students would miss out"

Which is another reason why schools should use open-source software, and if open-source/free alternatives don't exist the government should fund their development. The situation will only worsen otherwise.

Quote: "My problem is that you say abuse of trust. HOW exactly is it an abuse of trust?"

I see it as an abuse of trust because I would presume the school is respected and trusted by the students and parents. They are using that trust to push iPads to people who wouldn't otherwise have bought them. It's not even as though the deal is good, it's a rip-off.

Quote: "Have you ever used an iPad on education? If you had, you would know that it is an incredibly useful, wonderfully engaging thing that can transform some students ability to concentrate and learn. "

I have only used a tablet for a few minutes and I can see how they would be great for studying, but why an iPad? Couldn't the students get the same benefits from tablets that cost 1/4 the price? The whole deal seems very dubious to me.


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Posted: 11th Sep 2013 00:49
Quote: "They are using that trust to push iPads to people who wouldn't otherwise have bought them."
Well, they're pushing other supplies to people who wouldn't normally have bought them, eh? (I'm not talking about the iPad being a replacement for other supplies, just to be clear)

Quote: "Couldn't the students get the same benefits from tablets that cost 1/4 the price?"
THERE I agree with you big time. As to why any school AT ALL in their right minds would prefer iPads to ones that are better AND cheaper, I have no clue at all.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2013 01:11
Contrary to what everybody likes to believe, iPads are better than any android device you can show me.


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Posted: 11th Sep 2013 01:55
And you're just gonna leave that bold contention out there with no supporting reasons? Elaborate, please.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2013 01:59
I like to do that.

iOS has the massive advantage of having very little fragmentation across the market, and because of this I've found apps run much better. Not to mention the quality of the apps is much improved on iOS, with much better integration with the system. I've not had one hang on iOS whereas Android was a nightmare for me.


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