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FLAME123
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Important note: I ask for advice on here as I fear posting on any other place would just cause a massive blitz between AMD and Intel fanboys leading to nothing productive getting done. Thus, I come here for impartial verdicts on what I should get or what I should avoid.

Now, I've recently been considering to upgrade my processor as that seems to be starting to become my computer's weak point. It still plays everything fine, but I can't help but feel that I want more from it than what the processor has to offer.

So, in an ideal world, we'd all be running the latest and greatest i7 with dual SLI nvidia Titans and a terabyte of RAM but alas, money is an object and I want to make sure that I get a worthwhile upgrade without blowing all of my finances.

Let's get to the matter at hand shall we?

I'm currently running an AMD FX 6100 so anything that fits an AM3+ socket would spare me the woes of buying a new motherboard on top of the cost of the processor. My budget would not really extend anywhere beyond £250 and this would only go to that extreme if the upgrade was well and truly worthwhile.

I'm currently eyeing up the AMD FX 8350 but I wanted to get second opinions before investing such a huge chunk of moolah.
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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 02:19
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While it won't provide a definitive answer, I'd suggest looking at the charts on cpubenchmark.net and using that as a reference.
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I'm running an AMD-8350 at the moment, and I haven't had any issues or complaints about it. It's single-thread performance isn't as strong as Intel's but if you don't mind or you run a lot of multithreaded applications it might be worth it. It's sub $200 last I checked and has overclocked versions if that's what you want.

Otherwise I'd go for a Haswell version of Intel or wait for the Broadwell/Skylake desktop versions to come out. That's the more expensive options but most newer i5s and and all the i7 (except the very first generation) perform better than AMDs best offering at the moment. AMD's architecture at the moment is a major disappointment.

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In the US you can get an 8 core Fx-9590 for under 250 usd. That would blow anything out of the water at that price point for intel. Not to mention you'd have to split your purchase between a cpu and motherboard.

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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 18:42 Edited at: 3rd Jan 2015 18:43
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I run the FX-8350, you won't find a better deal for the power!

It's handled everything I've thrown at it with no problems whatsoever. Everything is stable and fast. The FX-9590 might be a bit overkill but it would definitely be wise to invest in something more powerful if you can afford it!

One tip if you go AMD, make sure you have enough fans/cooling because they do take in slightly more power than their Intel couterparts. But if you make sure you've got proper cooling it's really not a big deal at all. If you have water cooling you're all set already!


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FLAME123
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Thanks for all the feedback thus far:

Also, in response to bitJericho

Quote: "In the US you can get an 8 core Fx-9590 for under 250 usd. That would blow anything out of the water at that price point for intel. Not to mention you'd have to split your purchase between a cpu and motherboard."


I somehow get the feeling that I'm going to have to pay £250 for tha...

Wait a minute... £179.57, that's it?

FAIR(ER) REGIONAL PRICING! WOO!
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bitJericho
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Posted: 3rd Jan 2015 22:54
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Quote: "FAIR(ER) REGIONAL PRICING! WOO! "


I can't believe it!

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Clonkex
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Posted: 6th Jan 2015 01:40
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My best suggestion is i7 if you can afford it, i5 if you can't. I don't like AMD and have no knowledge of which of their CPUs are good.


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Posted: 6th Jan 2015 02:02 Edited at: 6th Jan 2015 02:04
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Quote: "My best suggestion is i7 if you can afford it, i5 if you can't. I don't like AMD and have no knowledge of which of their CPUs are good."


So your suggestion is to spend 4-500 usd on an intel cpu and mobo instead of a 250usd on an amd cpu upgrade that would deliver the same performance? Great advice XD

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Yeah since he already has a AM3+ mobo, he should just upgrade to a 8350 or 9590. If he had to get a new mobo I would recommend a 4-core i5.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2015 05:00
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Quote: "So your suggestion is to spend 4-500 usd on an intel cpu and mobo instead of a 250usd on an amd cpu upgrade that would deliver the same performance? Great advice XD"


As I say, I don't like AMD CPUs and I can't recommend a good one.


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Quote: "As I say, I don't like AMD CPUs and I can't recommend a good one."

Why don't you like AMD CPUs? Just curious, as I know you had a rough experience with one of their APUs.

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I love AMD, so I'm biased. Go with the upgrade, the price / power ratio is the best in my opinion otherwise.

I'm lucky to live near a MicroCenter, I can usually get a decent AMD FX and motherboard combo for 50% original retail. They're always running deals. If you have a computer shop near by, scope out the ad deals. Or try sites like newegg.com, they tend to run deals like buy a AMD chip, get a case and ram for a fraction of the price, just have to look.

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Quote: "Why don't you like AMD CPUs? Just curious, as I know you had a rough experience with one of their APUs."


Because, aside from the fact that my entire experience with AMD had been pretty terrible, their CPUs tend to favour more cores rather than faster cores, and in practice that's not a good thing (unless you do video editing with professional software) as no game can use 8 cores. Additionally, they have the least compatibility.

Unless Intel or Nvidia does something utterly stupid and makes me hate their products, I have no reason to ever try AMD again.


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Quote: "Additionally, they have the least compatibility."

What do you mean least compatibility? It's a CPU, it just runs x86-64 instructions. Heck, AMD invented x86-64 that's why it used to be called AMD64. Now perhaps they don't support Intel tech like hyperthreading but that's because it's Intel technology. It's not like it's an open standard.

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Posted: 7th Jan 2015 02:50 Edited at: 7th Jan 2015 03:01
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Guys, guys.
1) He has an AM3+ socket.
2) He has no money.

Intel is completely out of the question here.

I'm not sure how good the following advice is, but the phenom 2 series had a really long streak. Specifically the phenom II x4 955 (quad core), phenom II x4 965 (quad core), phenom II x6 1090T (hex core) and phenom II x6 1100T (hex core). Four years ago they were cutting edge and posed a real threat to Intel because they were cheap and could be over-clocked to ridiculous frequencies without requiring any special cooling. Today, still, I see people talking about them.

With AMDs new bulldozer and piledriver CPUs out, I'm sure you can get your hands on a phenom 2 for a very cheap price.

I myself am running a phenom II x6 1090T (OC 4.2GHz) and no game or program has really come along to challenge it yet. I've seen no reason to upgrade and it's been 4 years.

If you go for a phenom 2 then overclocking it is a must. One does not simply buy a phenom 2 and does not overclock it, you don't get your money's worth otherwise, as cheap as it is.

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Posted: 7th Jan 2015 03:52
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Quote: "Intel is completely out of the question here."


I know. That's why I said "my best suggestion". Maybe it was poorly worded, but what I meant was that was the best I could do in terms of suggesting CPUs


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Posted: 7th Jan 2015 04:49 Edited at: 7th Jan 2015 04:49
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Quote: "I know."
He knows.

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Quote: "I know. That's why I said "my best suggestion". Maybe it was poorly worded, but what I meant was that was the best I could do in terms of suggesting CPUs "


Believe me, if I lived in the U.S. and had a part time job, then my rig would have nvidia and Intel parts, but due to their horrific price conversion, (almost as bad as razer) for their UK products, plus the fact that I, as TheComet so nicely put it:
Quote: "1) He has an AM3+ socket.
2) He has no money."


I will be sticking with AMD for the foreseeable future. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Quote: "I will be sticking with AMD for the foreseeable future. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing."


Objectively, no, it's probably not a bad thing at all


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I have an 8350+ on my gaming machine. It's frustrating to see only a couple of cores used when I'm playing a game, but so far all new games are very playable with my GTX 760 (I plan on upgrading that). If you're going to get a 9590 make sure your motherboard can support the wattage used by the CPU, which is double that of the 8350.

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Hmm... starting to think that the 8350 might be the better option for my needs. Looks like you're gonna need one hell of a cooling solution to run a 9590 at its best. And since I see a lot of people who seem to be perfectly satisfied an 8350, it's still gotta be a damn decent upgrade over my 6100.
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Quote: "In the US you can get an 8 core Fx-9590 for under 250 usd. That would blow anything out of the water at that price point for intel."


Quote: "So your suggestion is to spend 4-500 usd on an intel cpu"


Not entirely sure where you're getting your prices at. I can get the 4GHz i7-4790K for $280 at my local store, which will outperform the 9590.

Intel uses significantly less power than AMD. If power usage isn't a concern, and you're looking for maximum overclock potential, then AMD might be the right choice.


AMD has a lot of great CPUs, as does Intel. But if you want the verdict on who has the best of the best, it's Intel. But not everyone needs the absolute best, and that's where your preference and needs comes into play.


Quote: " It's frustrating to see only a couple of cores used when I'm playing a game, but so far all new games are very playable with my GTX 760"

The gfx card is going to make a bigger difference in gaming than a CPU ever will.



My personal opinion? Get the FX 8350 for price and lower power consumption (less heat if that's a concern). But in all honesty, I think you'd be wasting your money on a CPU upgrade. My question is, why do you want to upgrade it? It won't help with gaming. And your 6100 will handle your normal every day to day tasks already.


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Quote: "But in all honesty, I think you'd be wasting your money on a CPU upgrade. My question is, why do you want to upgrade it? It won't help with gaming. And your 6100 will handle your normal every day to day tasks already."


Pretty much what I would have said. The GPU will almost always be the bottleneck in video game performance.
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Phaelax, the cost of an AMD chip is about 2/3 the cost of Intel if you are just looking at raw performance. The price I quoted was what it would cost for the cpu plus mobo at a midrange level.

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Quote: "Pretty much what I would have said. The GPU will almost always be the bottleneck in video game performance."


Unless you have a super-crappy CPU or are trying to play any Ubisoft game.


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I recently upgraded to a R9 280 gpu from my HD6850 and it does what it does beautifully and is a lot cooler than my old card (I did use to get quite a few heat issues with the HD6850). I've been wanting to upgrade my cpu as that is what's appearing to be quickly becoming my bottleneck.

Quote: "trying play any Ubisoft game."


Don't get me started...

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=212586&b=2

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=212948&b=2

In fact, I bought Farcry 4 a couple of days ago, I heard the PC port was pretty decent. But then, of course, I can't start it, all I get is a black screen, every. Single. Time. So I browse the internet, and everybody who gets this problem has either a Razer Orbweaver (which I do not have) or a dual core processor (which again, I do not have). I tried everything the community has to offer but alas, I guess I just have to hope for the best in upcoming patches. Although, I look at people with pretty much identical rigs, they're running it smooth as silk and it's lookin' beautiful. So in all fairness, it's probably an issue on my end, but I have no idea what on earth would be causing it.

Oh well, guess I'll stick with Assassin's Creed Unity for the time being.
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Aw I'm running a HD6850 and it still does the job for me. I guess I'll have to upgrade soon though
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Quote: "But then, of course, I can't start it, all I get is a black screen, every. Single. Time."


Really? Huh. Some quick googling reveals other possibilities; try:

- Unplugging ALL USB devices except your keyboard and mouse.
- Disabling ALL HID devices in Device Manager except your keyboard and mouse.
- If your mouse has any kind of strange functionality (such as a touchpad or tiny joystick), try a different mouse.

I don't own Far Cry 4 so that's all I can do to help.


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@Clonex, believe me. I've tried all of that, the only difference it made was inconvenience starting up the application. I also tried with keyboard only and mouse only. Still nothing.

My Laptop on the other hand, runs it just fine (with a dual core processor might I add) just so long as everything is on its lowest settings and at 720p. I guess it's just like playing it on a PS3/XBOX360.

[EDIT] Nevermind everybody! It turns out that all this time my processor was only using 3 cores out of 6 (facepalm), after fiddling with my BIOS a little bit I can now run Farcry 4 and my framerate in Assassin's Creed Unity is greatly improved. Looks like the FX6100 is sticking around a little while longer.
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Haha you just doubled your computer's speed for free XD

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Quote: "my processor was only using 3 cores out of 6 (facepalm), after fiddling with my BIOS a little bit I can now run Farcry 4"


Farcry uses multiple cores? The game relies on the cpu that much?


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Quote: "The game relies on the cpu that much?"
It's a farcry from needing only one core.

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Quote: "Nevermind everybody! It turns out that all this time my processor was only using 3 cores out of 6 (facepalm), after fiddling with my BIOS a little bit I can now run Farcry 4 and my framerate in Assassin's Creed Unity is greatly improved. Looks like the FX6100 is sticking around a little while longer."


LOL haha that's awesome! xD Brilliant news!

Quote: "Farcry uses multiple cores? The game relies on the cpu that much?"


FarCry 4 requires at least 4 cores to start. Since FAME123's CPU was only running on 3 cores, it was failing the same way as it did on dual-core CPUs.


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No one's complained about my farcry pun.

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I groaned and tried not to look at it any further


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