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I think he said somthing about those who have been semi prductive members of the community for about a year... somthing like that.

Well, if memory serves...

The blitzers came here when the DBPro demo was released, basically to troll for as long as they could - that had nothing to do with RGT. I'll admit I went a-wandering over to Blitzcoder to take a dump on their doorstep for a change, but I was the only person who really stirred things up over there. Blame me for the blitztrolls comming over if you like - but frankly they were getting on my tats and I'd do it again in an instant I tell you. I had a blitztroll come over here and sign up just to tell me he hated me - damn I musta done a good job!.

I think the problems around here when RGT was down were more centralised around Raven - I mean after a long battle with users and mods at RGT Raven gets banned and comes here - so then RGT goes down and everyone involved comes here too. I can't remember anyone acting particularily stupid, maybe a little arrogant, but Raven was the only one really complaining about all the whipper-snappers from RGT. There are personal issues between Raven and a good few DB'ers - but that's hardly important in the grand scheme of things nowadays and 99% of people here could care less.


Van-B

I just hate the way some people here look at members from the other forums or users of other programming languages as some sort of enemies. Just mention the word blitz and sparks fly. Imho, you should try and learn as many languages as possible, and use each when appropriate.



Hehe, but the 1% seem to have nothing better to do than follow him around though, anyone remember ShadowRobert?

Raven is making out that there were no problems when he was on here. I believe that the problems on here started a couple of months after Raven joined. He even said that himself in a post about two weeks ago. So where does he get that there were no flamewars on here? Actually Simple, and Actarus were also involved in the Flamewars. There are no flamewars now, just spammers. So nothing is related to RGT. RGT had no spammers!

I joined September 2002, RGT went down for the first time over December 2002 (final week) i was away that week and came back to find ALOT of forum problems going down. This included the addition of Simple to our forums who decided to make himself a nuisence from the start.

If you ever have the urge to checkout what happened back then, I didn't even get sucked into a flamewar until the 2nd time RGT went down... and there was ALOT of provoking for them going on. (there was also the first flamewar here whilst I was away)

When RGT went down again 2weeks into January 2003, the RGT members flooded this forum like a wave. Sure I complained about it, because I have 20 very very angry Apollo members bitching everyday to me about it. I made a simple post asking for the RGT members to RESPECT this forum, and what happened was they turned the entire thread into the first flamebait here.

(also my very first flamewar here)

You can't deny that without the RGT members this place was far more peaceful.
We didn't actually get any Blitz users on here bitching about DBP when it was first released, it was after RGT had gone down the second time.

Although I know Van says, 'only 99% don't care', problem is whether they care or not 50% of the forum will follow that 1% everytime they make a crack at me.

It was that exact damn RGT Sheep behaviour I truely loved about here, because it didn't exist. Everyone was entitled to an opinion and point of view, no one was ridiculed for what they wanted to say.

I think WOLF learnt talking to me the simple fact that, you treat me how you want to be treated. That's exactly how this forum *used* to be, it's nice to actually have somewhere to get away from the BS of everyday life. That forum no longer gives people that option.

What I did in RGT quite frankly no one here cared about.
It kinda saddens me once again to see a forum where credit it not given based on what you product, but who produces it.

Pisses me off ya know: I got a stalker because people reckoned I was too tough on peoples work, yet Simple wrote far worse responses hell most of the time he just insulted the work... Yet my knowlage was considered mean and he, well hell he was a forum god.

I hated the RGT attitude towards people. I still hate it now since it's come to this forum.
How the hell do some people just get instant respect, but I work damn hard to help people and STILL I'm considered 'the evil one'?

RGT - I had years of experience, I worked professionally, I helped people with thier work (and i never once told ANYONE thier model was bad) ... somehow, I was the one that didn't know what the hell he was talking about and was mean with how i helped people!
Oh but Simple, nooo he comes in spends a claimed 1 week doing it in Milkshape suddenly he's a true expert on the matter, and becomes untouchable even after openly insulting peoples work left, right and center.
Hell his advice was always taken over Moondogs, Ipaka and SirManfred's for crying out loud!!

Apollo - Before RGT members came here and ... Neophyte, I was considered a respectable source of information on Shaders.
I'd helped quite a number of users, helped Lee find and fixx a number of bugs, made the first working Shaders.
I'd also been showcasing alot of 3D work, basically just trying to get the ball rolling in the 3D Forum.

Neo shows up, instantly I have no idea what I'm talking about (apparently) and everyone believes him.
Simple also shows up and starts up old crap.

I stopped showing models and shaders.

I also used to help out newbies one hell of alot too, again until the RGTer's came here; I suddenly lost alot of 'respect' from newbies as well.

Bollocks I made my bed in this matter. I worked my tail of to help people and all I ever get in return is pooped on from members who earnt instant respect... AND for what? Huh?
Neo never showed anything until very very recently, and what he has shown has been purely Microsoft and Nvidia stuff nothing of his own.
Empty, explain to me just what the hell empty has actually done, EVER?! But somehow he is also instantly respected.

Quite frankly, I do things, and all I ever end up getting is abuse thrown at me for it now.
Explain to me why the hell I should bother pandering to thier people?

I mean lets face it, some people are just naturally bastards.
What's worse is they're the ones who never actually break any rules and as such are those bastards who stick around forever.

Raven,
Remember the day after the DBPro demo was released?

We were flooded with Blitztrolls, I remember it destinctly - don't make me have to look back 2 years now will you!.

I have no problems with anyone here - I'm straightforward you see, treat me like a chump and there's no going back, anyone I ever had a disagreement with that mattered has gone now.

As for Simple, well I have to keep my opinions to myself about him.

I don't think people understand Ravens halcyon memories of the old old old forums, but I remember the buzz - people would get excited about Equilibrium and DT, and people were really trying to get awesome graphics outta DB. It did feel more like a community, because it was - most of use stumbled upon DB - now any idiot who thinks he can make games can do a google search and end up here.

Perhaps a small forum, where people can join by invitation only, like the existing members could vote whether to let someone in - we could call it DarkMASONS - maybe something like that could get the same spirit going again.


Van-B

People did comment on Simple's work, and got flamed for it. Then it wasn't even his work???
So you were not picked out of the bunch. He was not always considered to be perfect or anything. Mainly, resposes to criticism is what causes problems.

Anyway, that's all in the past. The current problem is the spamming. Why do some people spend all day wasting our time? There has to be a reason behind it. Here's the Crimewatch profile......

It's either Blitz coders, or someone with a grudge. There is only likely to be 2 people at most, so they are using lots of IP addresses. So maybe someone at work with an IP there, and at home. They are probably well known to the forum, or well known on the Blitz forum. They likely have few friends, and likely to do little coding. They would probably pretend to be younger than they really are. They probably smoke pot.

I don't want to turn this into another anti-Raven thread.


No. As I said before, I just respect the fact that you took the time to hear me out about the perspective that you give of yourself. Although we didn't agree on the matter, you listened to what I had to say. You have also have not been the "character" that I explained to you while you are on LLRGT. That is why I have left you alone.

The reason that I think this forum was peaceful for you for a few months was because most of the "oldbies" that know you stayed behind at RGT when Apollo re-opened. When RGT went down, those people entered. RGT was never the picture that you paint Raven. It has always been a good community. Maybe not for you personally, but as I said, I think you lie in the bed that you made. If you have never told a lie on any of these forums, you sure have a bad way at stating yourself. Eventually that all adds up and comes back to haunt you. Again, I am not accusing you of anything. I'm just telling you how you are percieved by the majority.

As far as "earning" respect, I think you are forgeting to consider an aspect. Whenever you talk something up big then don't deliver, you gain in the wrong direction. People that have done nothing inparticular usually have not claimed to have done anything. When they finally do, they start from the level of respect that they have recieved through the help that they have given and the general personality that they have paved for themselves. When a person talks bigger and badder than them all, then shows nothing, that person places himself in a bad position. I am not going to argue what you have done or have not done. It is obvious that people (in general) on both forums see you claim a LOT more than what you have shown. In our personal discussion before, you mentioned that you should not have to prove anything to anyone. Well, in that case, you can't expect anyone to believe you when you post info on your projects but no results.
Again Raven, I am not flaming you in the least. I am just restating how you are percieved by most (wheter it is true or not) and why I say that you have made the bed that you lie in.

Well no Pinch - smoking pot has very little to do with anything, except maybe that a massive percentage of professional coders use pot.

I use it, I might spam now and again, I might even be a git, but the effects of pot don't correlate with spamming at all - in fact it's more likely to make you self-concious and paranoid, and less likely to start crap on someone else's forum!.


Van-B

Quick - start passing out the free pot!

Where! Where!!!











Stop toying with me.

I can think of a few users who need to get wasted and relax

Well.....I smoked it a few times....it's not good. Nevermind.

Wolf, sorry but I give everyone else curtosy with thier things; the very least they can do is stay silent if they don't like what i'm doing.

At the end of the day this is what makes me decide 'F*ck 'em, i'll just not release this' ... I'm not doing this for the cash, so why the hell should I have to put up with all the grief?
Look at it, when i announce something - BOOM! certain users dis me at every chance.
when i release something - BOOM! certain users ripp it apart and call it 'critism'
when i post code for something - BOOM! the code is all wrong and the way i do it is totally wrong, again pointed out by certain users.
when i answer questions - BOOM! this time i get innondated with weblinks everywhere again from certain users.

Nowt to do with my attitude or what I do... this has everything to do with certain users are just Bastards plain and simple.
I mean why the hell should I really do anything if all i get is grief for it?

People no doubt still wanna see deliverance but after all the hassle i got from Mouse/Empty/Neo/UWDesign... they can sodding wait til i'm finished and i'll continue to show updates to some of the IRC users.

pretty simple, people piss me off enough, only selective individuals will see/use what i've done.
most members don't even care what i've done or haven't done, as I said they just sheep along with those few bastards of the forum.

It is exactly how RGT was, not feathered dreams. I guess you have to actually be on the receiving end of this all to understand that it's even happening.

See, that's just the thing. When they've been down the road of "no delivery on words" so many times before, they can't help but warn others to be cautious of your "up and coming". So, while you say "scew 'em", you are actually contributing to the further demise of your character. Again, not a flame. Just telling you where everyone is coming from. Your p!ssing in the wind and it is blowing right back on you. There is a very common saying, "put-up or shut-up". I'm not tring to be rude, but maybe just be careful about announcing such big projects until you can actually show something on them. You really are shooting your own foot by doing that.

Anyway, this has all gotten away from the topic at hand. No matter what the differences in communities are, referring "bad-eggs" to each other is not going to help anyone.

Quite frankly, I don't see the big deal either way. Who cares what anyone does one way or the other? If Raven posts something saying he's got an awesome game to show, then doesn't ever show it - so what? Why do people put so much creedance into what people tout or brag about - and then are so disappointed when it doesn't happen. Raven or anyone else here is not the "second coming" - they are just fellow users of dbp and these forums. Don't hang so much on their words, judge them by what they produce and have given to the community. I think in Raven's case it his "holier than thou" attitude that gets him into trouble - but thats just my observation and opinion. Thats not intended to fan any flames that may have begun here

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