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Geek Culture / Only EA can make NFL games for the next 5 years

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Axelman
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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 08:20 Edited at: 17th Dec 2004 08:21
Exeat, i do not appreciate your dirty mouth words.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 09:53 Edited at: 17th Dec 2004 10:07
Quote: "Exeat, i do not appreciate your dirty mouth words."


Feel free to email the person who actually made the (IMHO very appropriate) comments: gabe@penny-arcade.com. However, I do apologise that it wasn't censored out of my message, I forgot that it doesn't happen to Mods. Seriously though, I still find it hard to believe people are offended by swearing, although not pleasant, you hear it all the time in movies and in everyday life.


Quote: "How long were you staring at that thing? (Eric's Avatar)"


About 3 seconds, it's not hard to save the image and zoom in.


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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 09:58
sports game license holders have got it made. every year, they just have to change the player rosters, maybe change up some of the graphics, add in another feature or two, and they've got another chart-topper. i was appalled when i looked at the top 10 games by sales for.. october or november in Gamepro. seven of the 10 were football games, and two were racing games. must be nice to make millions of dollars without really having to work.

and the sad thing is, i know several people who will buy the new version of the football / hockey / baseball game EVERY YEAR.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 10:51
Quote: "About 3 seconds, it's not hard to save the image and zoom in."


Or open it in Windows Movie Maker

By the way......


EA needs to die.

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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 11:19
Quote: "must be nice to make millions of dollars without really having to work."


Although it can't be compared to the work of, say, HL2, it still is LOTS of work


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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 11:46
Quote: "and the sad thing is, i know several people who will buy the new version of the football / hockey / baseball game EVERY YEAR."


There is nothing wrong with that. If you are a fan of a particular sport, then you are willing to pay the money just for the roster updates. I am a huge NFL fan. I haven't missed a Pittsburgh Steeler game in years. I used to buy Madden EVERY year. Two years ago, I decided not to until more was added to it that roster updates. Not because it isn't a great game, but because it was the same game. This year, Sega/ESPN pushed to compete with Madden. It undercut Madden (and tried to break further into the market) by releasing BEFORE Madden and selling for $20. I acually enjoy ESPN much better than Madden and think it is better in almost every aspect. I was actually already looking forward to next years release. Now it is DEAD!

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Posted: 17th Dec 2004 15:02
But the game *isn't* the same every year. Just because football is football, doesn't mean every year they just update the roster database. The engines that run the game are always being updated in major ways--- for example if you look at the player faces for this year of EA sports games, they look 50x better than last year's. Also, they add entirely new features, too, like when they added Dynasty mode to NHL 2004, a mode that some would say is its best. It's not just roster updates--- I mean, the roster updates are available for free from EA for the PC version anyways.


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Posted: 18th Dec 2004 15:25
Exeat, i was only joking, i just remembered that sarcasm can't be expressed on a chat forum. this emoticon will have to do.

I own Fight Night 2004 on the ps2, and i was very disappointed to find out that Mike Tyson was not on the game. (I was really looking forward to Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson.) Hopefully the next one will have him in the game, but i don't think he will.

In the Cricket series i personally think the graphics got worse every new release. I also own Cricket 2004 and the graphics are terrible. the umpires look like the blockheads from gumby.

I also own rugby, which really needs an update because the Australian Kicker is Steven Larkham and the captain is John Eales.

Anyways,
Enough of my rantings,
Cya Later,
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Posted: 19th Dec 2004 08:57
didn't read all of this thread but read all the way to here:
Quote: "[quote] who cares, NFL is crap!"


Tell that to the 1.5 million who purchased Madden 2005 in its first week of release.
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I was one of the 1.5 million there in fact I purchased it on the day of its release.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2004 09:17
Wow, yet another example of monopoly in America, just like Microsoft.

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Posted: 19th Dec 2004 09:18
I don't think this qualifies as a monopoly. If EA bought every video game company, and put out the only video games, that would be a monopoly.


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Posted: 19th Dec 2004 11:40
With giant competitors like Vivendi and Microsoft Games, EA is hardly a monopoly. They are however disgustingly bloated

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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 06:32
But being disgustingly bloated is the price of so much success achieved so shortly in a young industry.


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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 06:35
Other publishers also vastly successful have far more IP and publish better games though

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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 14:43
I mean any company with a massive size such as EA--- and there's only a few that come close--- Vivendi and MS like you said, and they're pretty much bloated too. Vivendi released around 6500 games last year with only a few good ones hehehe.


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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 19:51
Hehe, I sold a copy of Madden on the MegaDrive for about 50p to some junk shop

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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 21:54
Quote: "But the game *isn't* the same every year. Just because football is football, doesn't mean every year they just update the roster database. The engines that run the game are always being updated in major ways--- for example if you look at the player faces for this year of EA sports games, they look 50x better than last year's. Also, they add entirely new features, too, like when they added Dynasty mode to NHL 2004, a mode that some would say is its best. It's not just roster updates--- I mean, the roster updates are available for free from EA for the PC version anyways"


Perhaps, but seriously speaking.. there isn't much more to the game itself. The faces might look better, which would be all well and good; but these games are not FPS where your staring at the faces, most of the time your camera is 100ft in the air and your watching people from the same perspective as TheSims.

I think what is irking people is the fact that gameplay never changes, they never try to add anything new. I really do like the games that break the usually mold of a series, by adding a new dimension without ruining what made the originals.

NBA -> NBA Street
Need for Speed -> Need for Speed Underground
Tony Hawks Pro Skater -> Tony Hawks Underground

maybe the new season rosters are available to PC owners for free, but problem is; almost everyone who plays these EA Sport games are buying the Console versions instead. Easier controls, Faster Gameplay (unless you have a top-end computer), etc..

they don't offer the same service to download the new rosters to save cards and upload them when the game starts. the technology is freely available for that to be viable though.

personally I feel a little cheated when a series of games never updates much.
it's like... Tomb Raider, each version there is always something new and new ideas behind level design. It was always the same game at heart but the subtle difference made my day

if all that had been update in Tomb Raider each version were better textures, and some 'see-every-blade-of-grass' engine. I'd of stopped at 2 and never touched it again. i don't care about how realistic a game is, i care more about how much fun it is to play.

the last Madden release, they could put it on the GameCube... why not? Because the DVD used on it is only 1.4GB; and this was a problem because..? Well because they had to add something like 25hrs of *real* NHL Training Videos.

SCREW THE F**KING VIDEOS, LET ME HAVE THE GAME! Surely the game itself didn't come over 1.5GB. I mean if it did, how come id Software can make the quite huge Doom3 fit into 1.44GB (including editor, installer, directx9, eax etc...) yet they can't fit a Madden game that is basically the same damn model with slightly edited variations, a few edited stadium models (with generic internals) and a few dozen textures into less than that?

This is why I don't buy the EA Sport games anymore. They're just a sodding rip-off. No offense to those working on the games, but EA is just pedalling the same damn games over and over.
I mean what's next 'realistic crowd heckler'?


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Posted: 20th Dec 2004 23:18 Edited at: 20th Dec 2004 23:19
Quote: "I think what is irking people is the fact that gameplay never changes"

Well then you might wanna compare FIFA 2006(or whatever) with the previous one(2005?), you'll probably see a big difference in not just graphics and team rosters, but AI...I think

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Posted: 21st Dec 2004 00:50
Quote: "Well then you might wanna compare FIFA 2006(or whatever) with the previous one(2005?), you'll probably see a big difference in not just graphics and team rosters, but AI...I think "


I'd get more worked up, but until read GameSpy / PC Gamer UK with the review 'better than Pro Evolution Soccer' in any dept. I'm sticking with my 'not going to touch EA Sport games' resolution.
Quite simple, they can have all the official crap in the world in thier game... end of the day having your player look like Van Nistroi, having him spit like Nistroi, and having him take a dive like Nistroi ... doesn't make him Nistroi.

There is only so-much you can put into a game. Looks and Names don't really matter; the *only* FIFA I ever liked was FIFA 95 on the SNES. I never really played football games much again until Pro Evolution, which was good. Evo II & III however are pretty awesome and fun. While I've played FIFAs around mates, usually it's only for one time or if I forgot to bring something better.

Saying it is now blessed with better AI is a bit of a joke really... the game is harder in single player now (to the point of impossible in some cases imo); really my biggest gripe with FIFA 3D games has and probably always will be, the controls SUCK! Unresponsive, require stupid player positioning just to do certain things, they kick the ball in odd directions causing it to sit in blank space sometime... which is frustrating when your trying to pass the bloody thing, they have to think for a second before tackling and even then you stop dead but the guy you've tackled is just knocked back a bit.

Seriously FIFA just peeves me off and one of the games that make me not want to have ANY EA Sport games.


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Posted: 21st Dec 2004 01:13
Quote: "I think what is irking people is the fact that gameplay never changes, they never try to add anything new. "


Gameplay between FIFA 2003 and 2004 was major, and so was the difference between NHL 2004 and 2005.

But I do see your points. There really isn't enough to warrant another $50-60 each year.

BTW - Didn't Madden come out for NGC? I could have sworn it did. All I know is they cut out tons of videos from NGC for NHL 2005, but didn't know they scrapped Madden for NGC altogether.


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Posted: 21st Dec 2004 01:33 Edited at: 21st Dec 2004 01:36
It totaly baffles me that people say FIFA is a good game or as good AI. I aint played FIFA 2005 only 2004.
2004 sucked very big and it annoys me such a crappy pile of garbage is the only game with authentic names.
Like I say I aint played 2005 but I'm pretty sure ISS 4 beats it in every single department (just like ISS 3 totaly beats FIFA 2004) - every department except, of course, official names.
If it wasn't for the official licenses the FIFA series would die.


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Quote: "BTW - Didn't Madden come out for NGC? I could have sworn it did. All I know is they cut out tons of videos from NGC for NHL 2005, but didn't know they scrapped Madden for NGC altogether."


Game and GameStation don't stock any EA Sport games for the GameCube. I don't remember seeing reviews in NOM for them either.
I lost faith in EA Sport games a long long time ago, while I play most of them through mates who get them; generally most only ever buy one and that's it for them.

EA's loosing alot of money recently in thier decisions. Don't get me wrong, I know how hard the guys who work on these games work, and I do like EA as a company. Just, they're trying to stick to what works.. there is no real, break from tradition. In the games industry it was said 'break from tradition & you'll end up belly up'.. but recently, UbiSoft has turned themselves into a giant with innovative or just slightly novel titles.

It's about time to realise the Industry has had it's boom where gamers will buy anything. Now they're getting picky, and looking for new thrills. We're back in 1982 in terms of things, it's about time games on the market started to show this.


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Posted: 21st Dec 2004 08:49
As a rule I generally only buy a sports title if it breaks out of the norm.

For example: I have NHL 2000 for PC and am quit happy with it, except NHL Hitz looks fun (for NGC). The shift of gameplay looks nice.

Most recent racing games purchased, F-Zero and Burnout 3.

Recent football games purchased-...none...

Rented NBA Street, was fun, might get one of the sequels, but I also had a love of fun with just NBA Jam on my Genesis.

Other sports games: Mario Tennis is my all time favorite, and I even bought the Harry Potter Quidditch game for the hell of it, just because it was something nobody ever did before. It wasn't all that great, but at least it had some creativity behind it.

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