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Neofish
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We have both Mars and Milky Ways though

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Alot of nice broad sweeping generalizations here. About 80% of the stuff folk are accusing Americans of doing, I have never heard in my life. Ok ok but only very rarely.

Ok here is mine. All Brits talk like eliza dolittle. I saw it in a movie. It is true.

So its an old movie. More to the modern they all act like Johny English

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 09:05 Edited at: 24th Mar 2005 09:10
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Whats more annoying is when an American says he speaks American, No actualy u speak English... That right its our language get used to that.


o and.....

Football = Soccer
Rugby = American football(slight difference but the british version is a bit more rough)
and actualy sweets = Candy
i actulay prefer the name Candy, sounds better. You americans get the best 'Candy' over there. But we do have Cadburys so.... 50-50

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Well I have changed my mind about that, I used to follow your opinion Biggadd but I now think that the bastardisation of English that is American doesn't deserve to be classed as English.

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The worst thing is on programs.... when u have to select ur language it says English(US)....... I mean did they build their own England over there??? Well they do have New England and New York.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 09:17
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Yeah, should say American and English

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We are quite proud of our "bastardisation of English". It makes way more sense and has way less special rules to follow in how to pronounce arrangements of letters. In the US we spell things how they sound and say things how they are spelled. It cuts out all of the bull. If we can break off and make our own government ... why not our own language? Though I think we done a better job of the language than the governement

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Do you need the language to be more easy then?

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 09:58
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Yeaeaaaah thats why the words are spelt how you would say them, because they are stoopid


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We need everything easier And we're not afraid to admit it.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 16:09
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We have Cadbury's over here, too... usually of the Egg variety (I don't know if there's other forms of cadbury's)

Someone from Chile explained to me once that in south america some people call themselves American, too. I love that, because now when some redneck tells me "Mexicans are stealing American Jobs" I can say "Well, they're just as American as you"

What about Redneck? We use redneck to describe someone whose (A) from the south, (B) a NASCAR fan or someone who otherwise spends far too much time working on cars, (C) someone who thinks Jerry Springer and wrestling are real and un-staged, and (D) someone with a mullet who thinks white christian people are better than everyone else. Or (E), now that I think of it: All of the above. What do you call a person like that in the UK? Or do you folks have too much class for that? (Not that I'm calling everyone in the UK posh or anything)

Mars and Milky Way? Wha? We have both here and they do to... I've been there and I've eaten both, in both countries

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 16:43
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Quote: "It cuts out all of the bull. If we can break off and make our own government ... why not our own language? Though I think we done a better job of the language than the governement"


So your saying that the dumbing down of the English language in order to make it easier to learn for Americans, was actually America forming it's own language. Well America does have it's own language, native Indian's surely take the credit for that. The simplification of English by the Americans only made/makes you guys appear stupid, like your all too dumb to learn proper English. Your right though, it is like it's own seperate language, because all the pronounciation and character has gone. Personally anyone who see's the word Colour and decides that U is expendible needs a dry slap.

Quote: "What do you call a person like that in the UK? Or do you folks have too much class for that? (Not that I'm calling everyone in the UK posh or anything)"


We don't really have that flavour of idiot in Britain, we do have...

* Soccer fans who like nothing more than beating each other up over 22 overpaid a-holes and a bouncy bouncy ball.

* Binge drinking office workers who like to fight people in all-night garages.

* Old women who think that as a punishment, sex offenders in Britain should be sent to Australia like they did in the old days.

* Gangs of brain-doners and mattress-backs who despite having no money, no job, and no life, decide that mocking normal people in the street is what their destiny demands.

We have a lot of motorsport fans in Blighty, but it's never really a bone of contention, people who like F1 tend to like Superbikes and Rally as well, we just have motorsport fans - I've never seen 2 motorsport fans fight about anything. I think we regard racing as a very civilised affair, which is probably why Nascar has never been popular here despite the massive market. We do have a lot of boy racer types who are probably fairly similar to your Nascar fanboys, no mullets, strictly crop hairstyles and caps, nasal accents, and fat blonde girlfriends.


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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 17:33
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In the US a mars is called a milky way, confused me I can tell ya.

I know! I bought a Milky Way hoping for a light choclatey experience, and got the gunge that is a Mars bar.

Quote: "The worst thing is on programs.... when u have to select ur language it says English(US)....... "


That can be a tad annoying, being forced to use English (US). I mean, if there's only 1 english available, why not just call it 'English'.

Quote: "We have Cadbury's over here, too... usually of the Egg variety (I don't know if there's other forms of cadbury's)"


Therre's the Dairy Milk chocolate, and its various caramel, nut etc incarnations. Then there's the GORGEOUS creme eggs - small chocolate egs filled with that I can only describe as icing. There's loads of stuff!

But my award for best Easter Eggs goes to Duc d'o of BElgium, for their fantastic truffles

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 18:03 Edited at: 24th Mar 2005 18:07
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I thought "pissed" meant annoyed in the US, as in short for "pissed off" - that's how I use it anyway.

I read a bio about Theadore Roosevelt, because I was sure I'd once heard something about him and a connection with the American way of spelling certain words. I found something that corroborated what I'd heard....

Quote: "Feeling that the spelling of the English language was not accessible to all, in 1906 he demanded that spelling be simplified in all government publications; changing "honour" to "honor," "through" to "thru" and so on. The order created a national sensation and placed Roosevelt's manipulation of his powers as president in a new light."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/eleanor/peopleevents/pande03.html

Gotta love "The American Way (tm)" Anyway, that article is genuinely interesting.

Oh yeah. If I may vent some frustration at an americanism which really grinds me whenever I see it.

"I could care less".

If you could care less, then do so, then get back to me and whinge. The phrase, you moron, is "I couldn't care less". As in, you are beyond the point of caring. Even if you tried, you would be unable to give the issue more attention hence, you could not care less.

Grrr.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2005 18:52
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My god thru is a proper abbreviation of through x_x I never would have thought!

Quote: "I thought "pissed" meant annoyed in the US, as in short for "pissed off" - that's how I use it anyway"


You got it right... Unless you say "I pissed on the fire to put it out" then you do in fact mean urinate


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I use pissed in all those ways but usually for drunk

Van you missed out the night life of the last lower class scum you covered:

chavs - walk round in packs trying to scare everyone, occasionally chasing them if they look like me, double every 20 minutes (in the right conditions: chavettes and alcohol must be present) and various other things from the other groups



(Afterthought: I don't think this post makes any sense )

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Quote: "My god thru is a proper abbreviation of through x_x I never would have thought!"


Depends on what you consider "proper" though

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Quote: "What about Redneck? We use redneck to describe someone whose (A) from the south, (B) a NASCAR fan or someone who otherwise spends far too much time working on cars, (C) someone who thinks Jerry Springer and wrestling are real and un-staged, and (D) someone with a mullet who thinks white christian people are better than everyone else. Or (E), now that I think of it: All of the above. What do you call a person like that in the UK? Or do you folks have too much class for that? (Not that I'm calling everyone in the UK posh or anything)"


That's just another example of the American bastardization of the English language. The real meaning of redneck is none of the above. It is really a term for a traditional valued hardworking person, who works outside in the sun all day and gets a red neck from the sun. It's really not that hard to understand :-P

I have a shirt that says 'Redneck and Proud of it'


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Posted: 25th Mar 2005 12:03 Edited at: 25th Mar 2005 12:14
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[Forget it. I wrote something here, but it doesn't matter now]


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Posted: 25th Mar 2005 12:21
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Quote: "Personally anyone who see's the word Colour and decides that U is expendible needs a dry slap."


The u is left out here because we pronounce it co - lor instead of co - lour.

It's not that we are too stupid to learn anything (well some of us are ). It's that we are too lazy to learn something we think could and should be alot simpler. The rules of proper english are stupid and clumsy to us. I guess it's just the way we are brought up. If I was going to live in england I would learn and use proper english. But I live in the US. The person who thinks 2 identical spellings should have totaly different pronunciations deserves a dry slap in our frame of mind. And just because there are 2 letters before it or some stupid reason.

No offense intended. Thats just the way we see it.

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Quote: "The u is left out here because we pronounce it co - lor instead of co - lour.

It's not that we are too stupid to learn anything (well some of us are ). It's that we are too lazy to learn something we think could and should be alot simpler. The rules of proper english are stupid and clumsy to us. I guess it's just the way we are brought up. If I was going to live in england I would learn and use proper english. But I live in the US. The person who thinks 2 identical spellings should have totaly different pronunciations deserves a dry slap in our frame of mind. And just because there are 2 letters before it or some stupid reason.

No offense intended. Thats just the way we see it."


I quite like the english language, and it's not confusing.. In every year of school we had english classes.. or close to every year.. Everything from reading to writing to etc.. It's probably one of the US's most tought courses.. It's quite obvious that it's important to our culture to have literate citizens..

How some kids choose to not care about it is sad in my mind..

Then again, I loved english class

And please, my forum speak is nothing like my proper writing. Don't go bashing my forum grammer and/or spelling


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You talk about the English language as if it was math, or home economics - like maybe a lot of American kids drop English and study moron instead. In the UK, English is taught all the way through school, it's manditory.

The thing is, it's not that you have different spelling - the annoying thing for me is that it was changed in the first place. One of the major problems with the American attitude is the bullish desire to change anything that confuses them. Some might not see a problem in 1 person completely changing a peoples language, but I can't think of anything more arrogant.


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Posted: 25th Mar 2005 17:30 Edited at: 25th Mar 2005 17:31
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Quote: "You talk about the English language as if it was math, or home economics - like maybe a lot of American kids drop English and study moron instead. In the UK, English is taught all the way through school, it's manditory."


Well it wasn't I that changed it If I was tought "colour" in school rather than "color" I probably wouldn't think twice, or care for that matter..

As for kids dropping english to study moron... well... most the kids didn't pay a whole hell of a lot of attention in the *first* place, and a lot of the harder classes (compared to the english 101 courses) weren't mandatory... For example.. speech in my school wasn't mandatory, nor american literature.. classical literature.. etc.. Plus the materials we read weren't that great...

But eh... my mother was an english teacher (in a spanish speaking country) and a news writer for years and won several state awards. So I suppose it rubs off on me.. Probably the fact that she made me look up words in the dictionary myself

"What's *word here* mean?

Across the room, "look it up!"

When you know damn well she knew what it meant


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That's the thing though, a lot of Americans do put in the extra effort - but that always seems to be those who have external influence to learn more. I don't agree with the education system in the US - they seem to put sports above real education, and they certainly don't teach enough world history and English. Shop class being regarded as an idiot subject as well - it's only America that see's it that way, everywhere else getting taught the basics of engineering is considered as important as Geography and History.


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Quote: "In every year of school we had english classes.. or close to every year.. Everything from reading to writing to etc.. It's probably one of the US's most tought courses.. It's quite obvious that it's important to our culture to have literate citizens.."


Now that is ironic

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Quote: "[quote]Quote: "In every year of school we had english classes.. or close to every year.. Everything from reading to writing to etc.. It's probably one of the US's most tought courses.. It's quite obvious that it's important to our culture to have literate citizens..""


Now that is ironic [/quote]

I knew it! Look here, don't comment on my forum speak I don't proofread it^_^

But Van B, I couldn't agree with ya more, I think you've the american education system down pat.


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You know it's very similar in Wales. When they got new words in English, they put them into Welsh, and *slightly* changed them. Bus for example became bws. Aha. So, very similar, except without a gun or a nuclear weapon pointed in your face if you take the piss out of them Although you may find your home burnt down....

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The US school system is indeed a joke. Though Language Arts (English) is on the top of the governments list, it doesn't appear to be on the teachers' or students' list here. You have to have more English/ Language Arts credits than any other subject to pass. I was taught early on that math and science were far more important than "proper" english, and I agree. I put most of my focus on math and science, barely passing language arts. There is no need wasting time learning all those rules which noone here agrees with nor uses. If I was in England where everyone uses the rules and thinks they do matter, it would be different. And it is not as much arogance as it is just not caring about what other people think of us. I am who I am like me or not. I don't try to do anything special to try and make people like me. Most people know I'll help anyone any way I can but, I won't change who I am for anyone. And we are taught some words as proper english though they are not like "color". Thats how they teach us to spell it.

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Quote: "And did you know that we are called limeys because apparently the inside of english chimneys was lined with a material that helped with smoke, that was green in colour. When the chimney sweep boys used to go up the chimneys to clean them, basically their faces became covered in the stuff, making them look green faced. Basically the colour of a lime. ie. Limeys. That was when, apparently, 80% of boys under 10 in London were chimney sweeps. Watch Trigger happy TV for similar information."


Bulls**t! The real reason involves sailors using limes to avoid scurvy. Soooo, the term Limey really shows how intellegent we are.

Sorry, but I've been off the net for nearly a week and couldn't be bothered to read 4 pages. My excuse if what I said has already ben said.

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Quote: "Bulls**t! The real reason involves sailors using limes to avoid scurvy"
Really? Damn, must have been wrong all these years. So I take it the Trigger happy TV reference didn't help? Esp the bit where he takes the roll of a tourist bloke showing americans around London.... Amazed it took so long for anyone to say something....

Quote: "If I was in England where everyone uses the rules and thinks they do matter, it would be different"
Arf. Have you ever been here? Oh, and don't listen to anyone here. We also have a seriously massive amount of thickos who probably couldn't spell their name until they were 20. It's like anywhere else; if you interested you learn what you want. I only liked English classes because I liked poetry and writing stories. If it wasn't for that I would have been in the computer room 24/7. Instead of 23/7

Oh, and English is a piece of piss. Esp for people like us. ie. programmers. Don't get me wrong, I don't consider myself particularly clever (esp compared to some people), but we tend to wipe the floor with like 95% of the public when it comes to grey matter and what we do with it.

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Hehe, I love these new names for subjects.

"Resistant Materials" = technology
"Food Technology" = cooking
"General Studies" = waste of time

gotta love the current education system, especially for the less able. Bless 'em with their GNVQs in child development that count as 4 GCSEs.

Hang on? 4 gcses?!? Damn! I've got to actually take 4 subjects to do that well!

Sorry. Rant over.

Quote: "So I take it the Trigger happy TV reference didn't help? Esp the bit where he takes the roll of a tourist bloke showing americans around London.... Amazed it took so long for anyone to say something...."


The santa stuck in the chimney one is classic.

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Dazzag, either im oerly drunk or you said esp lots in that post

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