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3 Dimensional Chat / 3D Movies?

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JoelJ
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 12:15
I was wondering about 3d movies, i'm decent with milkshape, but it sure isnt made for movies. so i tried dling Maya LE, but that's WAY outa my league (i wasnt expecting any less, but i thought i would try), so i was wondering if anyone knew of a really simple program to make simple 3d videos in.

BenDstraw
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 12:25
3ds Max has the easiest UI to work with but Im not sure If you would like to put the funds towards it.

JoelJ
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 12:29 Edited at: 25th Jun 2005 12:30
naw, i just want something to mess with.
just for those times when i have nothing to do (like now )

isnt there a free vir of 3ds that is called something else but only saves in some weird format?

G....something

Jonny Ree
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 12:35
gmax

As for movies.. a lot of people seem to have a lot of great things to say about Anim8or on that.. I havent tried it however.

BenDstraw
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 12:37 Edited at: 25th Jun 2005 12:37
Or 30-Day trial of 3ds Max.

Frozen Flame
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 12:47
just about to say that.

on a side note.. BenDstraw, i finished your model and emailed you it.


Raven
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 13:19
Maya is out of your leage? heh
Tis a piece of piss to get things going in Maya. ^_^

Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 25th Jun 2005 20:35
there is a lot of CG crap, you're good with milkshape, with the modelling, so why abondon it? All you need is an animator that will render animations, well I know a decent free one, I've barely touch it, but its pretty promising, its called Daz 3D and its website is
http://www.daz3d.com you can trust it, the same people made Bryce

STALKER
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 01:17
Yes Maya is piss easy to learn. Well as for me, at school I have access to harcore 3ds Max 7 and the like, but at home i have had to settle with bryce 5, blender(coz of the freeness), and the fee daz animation program

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Raven
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 03:00
Quote: "Yes Maya is piss easy to learn. Well as for me, at school I have access to harcore 3ds Max 7 and the like, but at home i have had to settle with bryce 5, blender(coz of the freeness), and the fee daz animation program"


I never said it was easy to learn, just get started.
Believe me I've been using it for almost a decade an I'm still finding things, in particularly Maya Embedded Language is particularly difficult to use.

Still the matter remains that getting started and using it for simple tasks is quite easy.

sspike
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 05:32
only if you know what your doing Raven those coming from milkshape will easily be put of by the look of Maya and then not touch it is it looks intimidating to a 3D noob, MEL's nice I use it a lot to swap out images and create custom shelf buttons and set up lights and remember maya is all MEL every command you can use in Maya is MEL meaning that everything can be scripted by the user
Keaz
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 05:46
Yeah, well VisC++ is intimidating to a noob programmer. It seems each generation of all the tools tries to put more and more on screen, which continues to raise the intimidation factor. The more complex a GUI the harder it is for a person to get started (usually), but I like the complex GUI's that put all your tools in front of you and let you sort them out an put away what you don't want later.

Breaking Stuff=Fun!,Bug Testing<>Fun!, Bug Testing=Breaking Stuff, so...
Bug Testing=Fun! Hmmmm....
DOES NOT COMPUTE! SYSTEM MALFUNTION!
Raven
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 08:45
Quote: "only if you know what your doing Raven those coming from milkshape will easily be put of by the look of Maya and then not touch it is it looks intimidating to a 3D noob, MEL's nice I use it a lot to swap out images and create custom shelf buttons and set up lights and remember maya is all MEL every command you can use in Maya is MEL meaning that everything can be scripted by the user "


I don't believe that, most people comming from Milkshape will generally be put off by the fact that there isn't as many 'tutorials' readily available on google. Not that anyone bothers to try the actual Alias website, which has a bunch of tutorials.

The UI has nothing really intimidating about it, certainly not compared to 3D Studio Max or Softimage|XSI. So whichever you choose, you will be having to learn something new.

As for MEL, yes it is nice... provided you can use it.
The language IS NOT simple to pick-up and play with. Just like C which it's based on, it isn't just intimidating but extremely problematic to anyone who has no idea of what they're doing.

It is definately not something you just use on the 'off-chance' to do minor jobs either. It doesn't provide you with "every command you can use in Maya", what it does is provide you with the scripted commands based around the Maya Engine.

Every Single Command in Maya, is basically a MEL Script.
The fact you can interop with the other Scripts to produce more and more complex things is beside the point as a whole, the real functionality of MEL comes from it's commandset.

I use it most of the time tied into Renderman to create shader, custom binds/skins, variations on tools current available, etc.
It certainly isn't something you generally use all the time, just when you need it to achieve something that isn't possible from the Point'n'Click Options.

In that is where Maya stands out though, because most tools have a very large mirade of options attached to it; providing you with an extremely versitile tool right out of the box.

BenDstraw
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 08:57
Thats awesome that Alias has free tutorials on its own site. Discreet wants you to buy their training DVD(not like they already took your money after buying their package.)

sspike
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 09:53
Quote: "It doesn't provide you with "every command you can use in Maya", "


You took what I said out of context and then repeated it below

Quote: "Every Single Command in Maya, is basically a MEL Script"


Is that not what I said? Lets take a look:

Quote: "every command you can use in Maya is MEL"


Seems it is
Raven
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Posted: 26th Jun 2005 10:28
Quote: "You took what I said out of context and then repeated it below"


Not really because while each command is a MEL, you can't access everything directly; you have to taken indirect routes for given commands because while you can run it; it'll do sod all without filling the structure for it first which often is activated by something else.

It's like saying you can use every command available to C in C++, while this is true, the fact is you can't just use it out of the box so you can only use the commands that are assigned and loaded at runtime.

For example if I make a function DeleteMesh( )
that function is available, PROVIDED you include the file it's in; else you can't.

Big Man
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Posted: 27th Jun 2005 02:15 Edited at: 27th Jun 2005 02:20
I recently bought a program called 3D Live Grafix it is quite tediouse to use but produces some amazing graphics and has an additional program that comes with it to put your creations into a film

Our aim is to keep the loo's clean, your aim can help.
Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 27th Jun 2005 03:27
At BenD, Cinema 4D is kinda like that too, apart from you'r not as spent, they have few tutorials to get you started, I find thats it. Maya, Blender, Houdini and Milkshape have loads of tutorials to help you learn them without paying extra (Well extra can hardly apply to blender)

The cache with maya and houdini is the price, (Most expensive maya about £5000 most expensive houdini is about £8000, just too expensive)

Raven
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Posted: 27th Jun 2005 11:47
Quote: "The cache with maya and houdini is the price, (Most expensive maya about £5000 most expensive houdini is about £8000, just too expensive) "


Maya Unlimimted 6.5 - $6,999 / £3,500
3D Studio Max 7.5 - $3,200 / £3,200
Avid Softimage|XSI Advance - $11,200 / £5,900

Discreet takes the cake really given they charge the same no matter what country you in, they just change the symbol. So this means UK-Side we're paying almost double for the same product.

This said, those are just the most expensive variations.

Maya Builder 6.5 - $920 / £580
3D Studio Max 7.5 - $3,200 / £3,200
Avid Sofimage | XSI Foundation - $499 / £299

Max only comes in one version. Unless your a student, but you can't use the student version for anything commercial in any shape or form. This includes making images for your own websites or such.

Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 27th Jun 2005 20:25
well in $$$'s houdini is $17000, so what would you rather have a nice car or the power to 3D model a nicer car?

bigH
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Posted: 27th Jun 2005 20:29
Get a copy of openfx its free - very nice program .

http://www.openfx.org/index.html

H

Keep not your blind eye . Open your heart to what is offered .For YOU are not the final judge . bigH.
Raven
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Posted: 27th Jun 2005 20:44
Houdini is a ripp-off and a bitch to use.. god knows why anyone would pay for it tbh, it just isn't worth it.

Maya + RenderMan + Animation Builder is a far better use of $15,000
Paricularly when you consider the last two can be purchased with per-site licenses.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2005 03:01
fair enough, I think people down at sony and all the big special effects dudes who add 3D to movies use it, not all of them though, I think a lot use Maya too. Me, I just love Cinema 4D too much

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Posted: 28th Jun 2005 13:07 Edited at: 28th Jun 2005 13:07
Its all opinion theres no best. Houdini make be a bitch to use for Raven but maybe person A has money to burn and likes it better. Seppuku Geijutsu likes Cinema 4D but Raven likes Maya. None of them are wrong just opinion. As for makeing 3D movies Maya. For special effects in movies. Its a tough Choice between Maya and 3ds Max but probaly Maya. All thats in my opinion atleast.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2005 22:56
I prefer helgas

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kaymation
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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 03:42
anim8or? it can make avi but cant export anim8tion and the boneare weird

i owe all my wantingness to TBC at [href]http://
www.homestarrunner.com[/href]
Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 04:11 Edited at: 25th Jul 2005 04:13
@ BenD, I think movie special effects are mainly made in Houdini, well I know Sony Pictures use houdini

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anim8or? why not, it was my first 3D program, useless for games, good for animation, you should try it

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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 07:32
Blender is a good 3d movie maker. and 2.37 can make .x files as well.
at blender .com. It's a little complicated at first but you will get
the hang of it.
BenDstraw
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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 11:36 Edited at: 25th Jul 2005 11:38
Houdini is very much over priced. but your probaly right, its just I see discreet's gallery and there are alot of movies on it.

Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 25th Jul 2005 22:31
Yup sure is over priced, wonder if its worth over £8000($17000) though, if it is, then it must be really good, and superior, I mean it has excellent support for learning, so good I don't think people teaching Houdini because the website is supposed to have all the help you'll ever need, but then the cachesis £8000!!!! Man I'd only buy it if we won the lottery.......hang on I just realised, I'm 16 and I'm allowed to play now doh weeew!!! Now to rake in the millions

BenDstraw
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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 05:33
nice good luck on the lottery

Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 08:35
yup, now how many time do you have to be struck by lightning to have a similar chance to winning?

BenDstraw
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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 14:36
youd have a better chance finding it than winning it.

Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 26th Jul 2005 20:13
prolly, a while back a 15 year old girl played it and one the jackpot, then was taken away from her cos she was underage, gutted, and why didn't she get her mum to get the ticket with her numbers and give the jackpot ticket it, I guess some people have no brains

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Posted: 25th Aug 2005 23:37
I have 3D Studio Max 7 and I found it easy to make stuff form, and the animation is a piece of cake! Look at this website, the animations from it were made from it. http://www.ianspendloff.com/

http://www.Bevansfunbox.com
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Posted: 26th Aug 2005 00:03
A while back a 16 year old girl won the lottery on her first ever ticket. Now that is luck.


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Posted: 27th Aug 2005 10:37
Like someone said, blender is a good free program.

Sure, it takes a bit to get used to, but once you are there, it is a very solid little program. The internal renderer is fast and with the Yafray plugin, it provides a very solid and useable renderer too.

Animation is a little lacklustre at the moment, but it is getting a lot better and all the major updates from now on are primarily for animation tools.

Output is great, and you can export you models to Dbpro.

Also, it has a great community over at elysiun.com and lots of help can be got there, including tutorials and the like.

AND ITS FREEEE!!!

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