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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 11:37 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 11:46
Quote: "You and your girlfriend go to a party. There are 10 people at the party. You tell everyone at the party to shake hands with anyone they don't know(including yourself). Now one shook 9hands, one shook 8hands,..7,6,5,4,3,2,1. From this information, you can figure out how many hands your girlfriend shook."


I have tried everything, what's the answer?

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 11:41 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 11:45
USE THE MATH...

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 11:42
im a bit slow in the head...please explain?

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 11:45 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 11:47
You forgot to mention that there are 10 people at the party. (or 9)

Bob shook hands with everyone but 1 person
Jen shook hands with everyone but 2 people
Ian shook hands with everyone but 3 people
Ley shook hands with everyone but 4 people

see the pattern?

table comming soon.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 11:47
fixed, but could you explain to me how to figure it out exactly?

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 11:53 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:02

HMM... I seemed to have miss judged it... there are more then 10 people... fixing table

13 people at party

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:03
Look at this ^^^

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:16
easy 10 becuase you and girl = 2 , 10 at party so thats 12 people so she doesnt shake your hand because she knows you...that not hard o_o

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:19
including me and my girlfriend...there are 10 people, NOT 13. or even NOT 12.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:19
you are wrong... look at the code snipit...

also there are 13 people at the party... a correction on my correction.

NOTE: people with 0's as a name might have diffrent hand shaking between other people with 0's.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:20 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:22
ATTACHED

this is what I narrowed down so far.

Quote: " you are wrong... look at the code snipit...

also there are 13 people at the party.."
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the guy telling me the riddle says there ARE NOT 13 people, just 10! So you, sir, are WRONG! Your method works IF there were 13 ppl, but there ARE NOT!

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:22
look at the code snipit... it is much clearer...

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:23
even if there were only 10 people in that code snippet box...it still doesn't give me an answer, i wouldn't know which one my girlfriend is.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:24
so it seems that you are doing carry overs meaning if bob shakes 9 people hands then shakes the 11th person the 11th person from shaking bobs hand would have shaked them all? if its 10 then the girlfriend shook 8 hands

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:27
that confuses me, but the "riddler" says you are wrong. He said my picture is the closest so far.

To explain: i am the question mark circle, the numbers say how many hands that "circle" shook. and yes, 10 people there are all together, just to make that clear.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:27 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:28
she shook no ones hand because.. everyone already knew her


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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:28 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:30
Quote: "look at the code snipit... it is much clearer..."


Have you NOT been reading the guys posts? There aren't 13 people, only 10...

Answer behind the code snippet as I see it.



Never mind, my logic was flawed... She shook hands with 8 people, she didn't shake hands with herself, and she didn't shake hands with you... And since a hand shaking is a two way thing, you don't figure out what one she was, she shook hands with everyone else. period.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:29
but that would be like what I said o_o; but it should be 8 since she know her bf..I hope should would x_x;

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:30 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:31
Quote: "One person shook 8 hands, not including the one who shook 9, so your girlfriend shook hands with 2."


he may have shaken hands with everyone else, not neccessarily hers.

Quote: "but it should be 8"

well, i've narrowed it down to 1-4 hands as in my picture and the "riddler" himself said i was right so far. so go from there.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:31


Five people... strange... when i inversed it the answer came out differently

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:33
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your "graphs" are rather interesting to look at, beautiful even, but the "riddler" says quit posting as you are way off track and are not making sense.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:35
I want to speak with this "Riddler" is he a comic book character in batman?

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Quote: " I want to speak with this "Riddler" is he a comic book character in batman?"


He did make an appearance on the movie...in a few cartoon episodes also, an now...he is making me go insane.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:40
My second graph should be correct.

A. there are 10 people at the party
B. you know how many hands everyone shakes
C. No one can shake hands with themselves
D. Your don't know how many hands your girl friend shook

I used people to compensate for handshakes in my first graph... this was wrong so I corrected it.

Your girlfreind is person 0

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:42
if the graph states she shook 5 hands, its wrong. Thats how many hands "you" shook. the girlfriend is one of the numbers listed in the riddle.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:43 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:45
wth.... I would think it would be something like this




that would be it.... n = not shake S = shake

edite to inquire gf 9 bf 10



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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:43 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:44


shows who shook hands with who...

looking

you don't understand... each number represents a person. AND the number of hands the shook.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:45
but if the girlfriend is 0, it says she shook five hands...thats wrong, she must be one of the other people. "you" are 0, in that graph.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:46
so less then 4

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:48
My girlfriend is one of the numbers circled in dark red, i knew this for a while, but WHICH one? No offence, but you people haven't gotten any further than I ALREADY have....where do I go from here?



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I true dont get this please Leys explain since you seem to know the answer

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:50
BREAKDOWN

Everyone shakes hands with anyone they don't know
Max shakes of 9
Min shakes of 1
10 people

It doesn't give you any information about your girlfreind. If it isn't assumed that she is no. 0 this riddle is unsolveable.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:51 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:53
I don't know how to explain my logic, but i have told this to the "riddler" and am 100% the answer is 1,2,3, or 4. My crazy line logic makes sense to me, i just think differently

Quote: "If it isn't assumed that she is no. 0 this riddle is unsolveable."

That's what I thought, but I have gotten it down to 1-4, and the "riddler" says it is completely solveable, and I am very close, just need to do the final logic, which i have no idea what to do. If you think its not "solveable" then please don't post as it will not help anything.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:53
answer is 3?

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why would you be 0? You KNOW how many hands you shook.
Zero is sloved for.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:54 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 12:55
Quote: " answer is 3?"


The riddler won't say if its right or wrong, until you can explain the logic behind the answer.

Quote: "You KNOW how many hands you shook."

yes, i know...i have figured out the "you" from the riddle has shaken 5 hands, due to process of illimination. but now we need the "your girlfriend" part...

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:56
Give us the EXACT quote... you are leaving out the "And Mary had 3 drinks" part (example...) this MAKES the problem.

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well my logic is that an alien force killed everyone and the riddler too... <_< i dont know maybe she knew 7 people and already knew her bf and shanked him in bed so the number was brought upto 76 then negative amount of people came in and brought it to 2 then jesus said hey and what the heck its 3

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 12:58
Quote: " Give us the EXACT quote... you are leaving out the "And Mary had 3 drinks" part (example...) this MAKES the problem."


the "riddler" says NO information is left out, the original quote in the first post has any and ALL information you need to solve it.

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Quote: "well my logic is that an alien force killed everyone and the riddler too... <_< i dont know maybe she knew 7 people and already knew her bf and shanked him in bed so the number was brought upto 76 then negative amount of people came in and brought it to 2 then jesus said hey and what the heck its 3 "


Confirmation from the "riddler": the logic is very good and interesting but ther answer is wrong.

So now i know it's either 1,2, or 4.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:02
so this riddler is a TGC Fourms user?

okay. you ARE NOT x.

HOW are you X?

Now listen. If you are x then you don't know how many hands you shook and that is bad logic. Good logic says that you know how many hands people shook except for your girlfriend.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:05
WTF are you smoking?

Information So Far
"YOU" have shaken five hands
"Your Girlfriend" has shaken 1,2, or 4 hands
"Merranvo" has no need to post anymore(according to the riddler as he STILL makes no sense)
The "riddler" is NOT a TGC user
you will find the identity of the "riddler" once we figure out the answer and logic.



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Seriously, she shook everyones hand... Unless you're asking how many handshakes she initiated. When you shake somebodies hand, it can also be said that they shook your hand.

So, she shook hands with everyone except herself and her boyfriends, so she shook 8 hands!!!

Unless once again you're asking how many handshakes she's initiated, in which case, I have NO IDEA.

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:08
Quote: "So, she shook hands with everyone except herself and her boyfriends, so she shook 8 hands!!!"


she may had previously known people at the party already, so she would NOT shake their hands. Handshakes go both ways in this riddle as you said, but it has been confirmed the answer is 1,2, or 4. So i don't get your logic...BUT IT'S WRONG!

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:10
REAL information.

you are given that
A. there are 10 people
B. No one shook their own hand (They Know Themselves)
C. No one shook more then 9 people hands
D. No one shook more then 1 persons hand
E. Then Numbers for the hand shaking is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
F. You know how many hands you shook unless you are incompetant


There is no way to solve it UNLESS your girlfreind is x. (Or you are leaving a small bit of information out that probally sounds redundant)

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:13 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 13:16
Quote: "There is no way to solve it UNLESS your girlfreind is x. (Or you are leaving a small bit of information out that probally sounds redundant)"


once again, just don't post any more. yes, i know i shook 5 hands, and my girlfriend shook 1,2, or 4. Im sick of repeating myself, so accepts the facts, if you still can't figure it out or provide anything that will help figure it out...SHUT UP , 1,2, or 4...what is it? No information was left out, i feel the same way you do...but the "riddler" knows what he is saying, so you must accept, you are wrong.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 is the number of hand shakes the people made, excluding yourself. You are 5, but so is someone else. So your girlfriend is 1-9, which i have already narrowed to 1-4. We found out "3" was wrong because the "riddler" said it was" leaving us with 1,2, or 4.

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Look... how long did it take for you to make that graph?

First off. It says no where in the original post that you shook 5 hands. If you did that could make you X or 5. Hows that to confuse you? You have no logic saying that you are X or that you shook 5 hands. Show Me IT. instead of making obscure statments that you are X.

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I think I'm starting to get the logic...

I figure that 9 didn't know anyone, so he shook the girlfriends hand, there's one.

I figure that we can eliminate 1 as shaking hands with the girlfriend, as he HAD to have shaken hands with number 9, since 9 didn't know anyone.

So that's all I have right now, but that must be helpful. She definitely didn't shake hands with numbers 1 and her bf, but definitely DID shake hands with number 9.

Well, unless she is number 9... DANG!

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Posted: 18th Jul 2005 13:22 Edited at: 18th Jul 2005 13:23
I graphed it own in my own little way to find that i shook five hands.

Person with 9shakes - shakes hands of all

Person with 8shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1 shake

Person with 7shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1 and 2 shakes

Person with 6shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1,2, and 3 shakes

Person with 5shakes - shakes hands of all except person with 1,2,3 and 4 shakes

Person with 4shakes - shakes hands with person with 9,8,7, and 6 shakes

Person with 3shakes - shakes hands with person with 9,8, and 7 shakes

Person with 2shakes - shakes hands with person with 9 and 8 shakes

person with 1 shake - shakes hands with person with 9 shakes.

if you count the "shakes with all", there are 5, thus meaning person x(me) shook hands with 5 people.

the only people person "x" did NOT shake hands with would be 1,2,3, or 4.

We have been told that "3" is wrong, thus leaving my girlfriend as the one who made 1,2, or 4 shakes. and this is what i found with my crazy mixed lines picture.

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But how do you know that you didn't know everyone at the party except the person with 9 shakes? What if YOU are the one that shook only one hand?

Where is the logic saying that you didn't know everyone already? Barring number 9 of course.

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