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Mnemonix
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As some of you may well know, I have been collecting lots of game creating resources which can be used royalty free, as well as collecting utilities and programs and plugins for DarkBASIC Professional, not to mention several high quality DBP games.

I have almost finished collecting the stuff and arranging it into a nice CD.

The CD will be distributed to users at the cost of manufacture and postage so my question to you is this:

"Would you pay to have the disc sent to you or would you download the equivalent .iso file"

Also there are two methods of production available, the cheap way and the glossy way. The cheap way literally means you will get a disc and thats pretty much it. The glossy way means you will get a nice full color case and the whole thing will look great. As you have probably worked out, the glossy way is more expensive. Here is how it works out

Cheap method = £2 - £2.50 with delivery
Glossy method = £5.50 with delivery

Note that the cost of the glossy method would be decreased if any future editions were to be released, as it requires some equipment that I don't yet have, but could be re-used.

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Hey, it undoubtedly took you time and effort to build such a library. If it is ok with everyone who 'contributed' then I would be happy to contribute to your cause. Nothing wrong with earning an honest penny, I am agreeable to either the glossy or the cheap. I would be more agreeable to whichever one benefited YOU more (materially), be it with new CD stamping equipment or an extra $.50 per copy which goes in your pocket. Without such information available to me, I am leaning towards the Glossy version

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slaps some glue on this, the glue should last for about 2 weeks before it falls off the fridge door

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 02:51 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 02:52
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Unfortunately, both versions are liable to cost more to international customers, especially to those across the great pond. Depending on paypals conversion rates and overseas delivery charges, it may be more beneficial for you to download the .iso file and burn the disc yourself. If you want to contribute still whilst downloading it then you can make a donation to the cause.

However if you insist on having it sent out then that also can be arranged

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 02:57
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Quote: "it may be more beneficial for you to download the .iso file and burn the disc yourself. If you want to contribute still whilst downloading it then you can make a donation to the cause."


Thats the one for me

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Darth Vader
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 04:38
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I agree like the downloadable .iso option!


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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 06:08
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i like the .iso option since american shipping would be $$$

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BillR
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 08:07
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I live in San Francisco, CA.
I would prefer the .iso option, but I would also be willing to paypal you, say $5 US for all your work, while I am downloading the file.
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Cash Curtis II
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 08:57
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You should probably just charge $5 for the thing from everyone. Bandwith is cheap, but it isn't free.


Come see the WIP!
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 09:09 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 09:09
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Yes, I pefer the ISO option for buy.
The Glossy option are more pretty, but much time and more risk.

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BatVink
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 10:51
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One moment please....

Told you people you pay a few extra pennieS for it!!!!!!!!

Right, you may continue. By the way, I'd buy it just to have a collection of all the things out there.



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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 11:14
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Maybe if you ask TGC nicely they'd host the ISO for you?

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 11:31
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I have but one request:

Please don't try to make a browsing app in DBPro. It will cheapen the whole experience.

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Nicholas Thompson
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hehe - very true. I'd happily pay for it. I work on the principle that if something benefits or simply doesn't ruin my day - it deserves some form or reward be it monetary, a pint or just a smile

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 12:05
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It would also be useful if you can whack on either the lastest DX9 redistributable (or a URL link to the correct place), and possibly a MFC80 installation too.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 12:35
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Quote: "MFC80"

Is that a DBP requirement?

the latest DX9 would be good - although most people can download it in about 10 minutes anyway - and if they cant they should upgrade their connection

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Quote: "Is that a DBP requirement?"

No, but it is for my CMappy plug-in

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 14:42
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The .iso option is good for me, as I can put together a nice label and cd case at work in two minutes! However, I would make a paypal donation for this - I'm in the UK, so $5.99 is about £2.50, but I'm sure I could go up to say £5 depending on what exactly is on it.

Have you thought about making a DVD .iso and have a larger version with more on?

And I agree, see if TGC will host the .iso - this would be a good resource for newcomers and oldies alike.
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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 14:59
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Thinking about it - a Bit Torrent setup for distributing the ISO would work best! Afterall, thats precisely what that protocol was designed for.

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Mnemonix
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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 16:35
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Thanks for the kind comments

Its not quite finished yet There is still more content to come along. The Feb 2006 directX is on the disc and I will see about putting mfc on there too.

It seems a lot of people are interested in downloading the .iso. If the people who are downloading the iso are prepared to donate then it will help me get the disc production off the ground.

Thanks guys!

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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Only the Feb. version of DX??

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PowerSoft
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Why not setup a HTML style borwser. By that I mean like a local web site on the disc which can be run as the browser for the disc.


Nice idea BTW.

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you can always get mfc and latest dx from microsoft. I'd rather get more DBP stuff.

I got the april 2006 dx9c distribution download for a CD I made. it took 54.7MB... thats a lot of CD space.

Focus on jam packing your iso with DBP stuff, and let us get MS downloads from MS.

Sounds like an awesome CD. I've been waiting for something like that. I hope someone would do this for FX shaders.
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MFC you cant - they expilictly state they wont host any installations for it.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 18:52
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Also - are there any legal issue with distrubuting a CD for profit which contains a MS product?

I kind of agree that it seems silly to be willing to download a 700MB ISO but not a 50MB exe, however its also nice to have everything in one place.

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Posted: 23rd Jun 2006 18:57 Edited at: 23rd Jun 2006 19:01
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If anybody has anything they would like to contribute then please send it my way. Im looking for several different things.

Games
Media
Source code snippets
Tutorials
Plugins
Utilities

las6 of Limefly.net has allowed me to include the entire archive of textures on the cd. There are also some cool sprites and lots of image fonts.

There are some things which I need to seek permission to include but so far everything is going to plan. All the media I have thus far has been included with permission

Also if space becomes tight then the directX installer will be the first thing dropped from the disc.

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Even though Im in Pennslyvania I would like to have a CD version. I would gladly pay for the shipping cost and a little extra for your effort. I'll be happy to take the cheap method, cd in a padded envelope or CD envelope.
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Ok Merrie that sounds great. It all depends on the amount of donations for the .iso and orders for disc that I get whether or not I can do a cd distribution.

Ok Merrie, I have checked the price of postage to the USA and it seems that it will cost around £4 extra. Maybe I can arrange something less than that though.

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Eoin of geehost.com has been gracious enough to sponsor the bandwidth needs for hosting the .iso file

Three cheers for Eoin !

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Cool! Thats an incredible gesture!

I'd take the ISO but am happy to pay "whatever" the decided cost is... £5 seems to be the current suggested amount, but pending the contents listing, maybe more.

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Yep you can stick D&C on your disc Mnemonix.

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Woohoo excellent!

Ta muchly Drew.

Ok, here is what is on the disc already



The Y or N means whether or not I have acquired permission to use that particular asset and if I can't get permission then it will be omitted from the final disc.

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I'd prefer the ISO method, but I'll contribute my website to help mirror the download if needed.

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If I can get my site up I will also be willing to mirror!


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One thing...

Might not be a good idea to include DX with the disc, because that means your distributing MP3 playback technology and charging for it - you could land yourself in licensing hell.

It's only an issue if you distribute the replay routine, in DBPro's case it's external because it's handled by a DX .dll, so your golden as long as someone else takes care of DX distribution and MP3 licensing - the minute you put DX on the CD your taking responsibility you see.

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Thank you for that wise advice Van B. I will remove DX from the archive. It gives me more room for games

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I am not the first to offer, but you can mirror the download at one of my sites as well. I have several gigs of storage, so space and bandwidth are not an issue. We have a nice oc96 email me to my yahoo and I will setup an FTP for ya.

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things i didn't see on the list, but would like to be listed:

* sparkys DLL
* ultimate shaders pack
* the list that DarkGuy created in darkbasic classic forum perhaps

uh, i'm pretty sure i had more to add, but i forgot them during the writing of this post

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* Archive of newsletters?

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- If not an archive of the newsletters(with rich's permission) the free dark matter models from 2 Christmas's ago.

- The 20 Line challenge winners from the past few years



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If you like, I could get you an offline copy of all the Challenge Thread entries, or maybe just the winners?
Should be a simple script to dump the fields from my DB...

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Why bother with newsletters, they are already on the site.
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Nicholas, would be great if you could.

Had a look at including the shader pack and it looks like a possibility. I will also look into the other ideas you suggested.

Some people have asked me when I plan to distribute this thing, and have stated that they have projects they would like to include, so im going to give them a couple of weeks to prepare something and by then I should have enough to fill 700mb .

So expect something during July.

Oh, and thanks for all the support!

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@Black Mesa

I think it'd be nice to have an offline version of everything in one place.



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I agree with MikeS. Not all people have a constant internet connection and with the tutorials offered on the newsletter's, and even XenoCythe's WIP RPG tutorial would be a good addition. Even if a person doesn't want to make the RPG, it gives good information. Other things like that would be nice, and having everything on a single CD would rock. If for NO other reason than backup.

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this could be a resource cd released yearly, so each year you can get a disk with all the cool stuff that has been made during the last year.

i will definetly buy this if i have cash.

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Great work Mnem, might it not be a better idea to release it on a DVD instead, way more space, and for users without DVD drives you could release it on a couple of DVDs instead.

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@Mnemonix: Do you want the challenges in a nice HTML browsable interface, or do you want a folder full of dbp files (.dba source files)?

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A browsable interface is optimum, but don't put yourself out. A folder of .dba files is also quite acceptable

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Its my pleasure (I'm a big believer in open source and freedom of information)

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