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FPSC Classic Product Chat / Would you pay for an upgrade of FPSC if.....?

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Lon
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 20:48 Edited at: 29th Jun 2006 20:49
I wanted to see what people think about this as well as TGC seeing what people think.

If FPSC was upgraded to include Dark A.I., the new physics system, save/load, physics and dynamic entities (remote mines, grenades) in multiplayer and an overall increase in framerate beyond 32 fps, say 60 fps, would you pay for an upgrade? say $25.00?

If that's what it takes to get an upgrade to these things I would.

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SpyDaniel
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 21:08 Edited at: 29th Jun 2006 21:12
I would pay for the upgrade if the frame rate could go up to 125 fps.

I would also like to see more than one level for multiplayer and also a limbo menu for in game.

It would also be a good idea to have a button for your multiplayer game in your single player game, so you can be linked to the multiplayer area.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 22:43
I'd pay at most 10 dollars. 25 is too much for just an upgrade with those features and is almost half the cost of the program itself!
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 22:45
Dark AI? definatly! but youd need to create a completely different scripting system to hold that. Dark AI is amazing, and that would be a good enough reason for me to buy it.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 23:07
I would buy it for sure.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 23:13
I would

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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 23:23 Edited at: 29th Jun 2006 23:28
I've got money to spend and nothing (apart from my imminent trip to Spain) to spend it on,

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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 23:46
Yes, absoluteley.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 00:05
i would if it had dark AI

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 00:31
Does it matter? they don't even go ro the bug forum. lol

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 00:35
dunno about paying just for an update maybe if it was an upgrade to FPSc2 !
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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 00:36
I would defenitly buy it if it had all that!

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 01:17
sounds decent to me, yeah I'd pay

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 02:44
At this point I'd pay $25USD just for the bug fixes if necessary. I'd pay another $25USD for upgrades to multiplayer and a save/load feature. I'd pay another $25USD for a fully integrated entity editor. Tell me where to send the check.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 03:38
Well I personally think a save/load upgrade should be free... but I would be willing to pay for other add-ons... How much I would be willing to pay would depend on what was offered but I'd probably have an upper limit of $25... which would work out as about 33 aussie dollars for me
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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 03:52
i would look into what your offering though LON, dark AI is going to be NO easy task. dark physics will be easier, and dynamic entiys and physics in multiplayer will most likely kill the frame frate.

if the limb culling issue is fixed, then you would have extra FPS to spare, but at this point, its going to be laggy (unless of course Dark AI and Physics speed it up)


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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 04:11 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 04:13
The thing with FPSC and its price is that it was and perhaps is still set for a number of reasons to fit a niche market. There are valid commercial reasons why its price was fixed at the level it is.

Changing its retail cost might impact on the overall commercial viability for reasons of which many of us will be unaware.

An option might possibly be to develop FPSC within reasonable bounds at the current kind of retail cost to meet with the original aim of a click and play game development/entertainment tool for all if you wish and at the same time possibly extend it to provide for the more descerning or advanced users who wish for something more by having a Pro version at a cost that would reflect the product difference.

There are clearly two main categories of user who might currently purchase FPSC as assumed above and the kind of user that we get at the forum may not be either the largest category nor comprising a lucrative enough a market to warrant a separate more advanced version as such as with DB/DBPro. I doubt they would even consider it but it would be an option for those who would be willing to pay more.

Only TGC know the fact and figures and at the end of the day they have to make the product viable.

Users may well get some of the improvements they have asked for in any upgrade when it comes and its likely that any true Version2 FPSC as opposed to a bug fixing upgrade will be at extra cost to users anyway - which one therefore would presume comes because of improved product development as opposed to just big fixes.

Thus to see some of the advances users want they are going no doubt to have to pay extra anyway - which is what you are asking for.

Dont take my word for this mind you this is only my opinion and only TGC know anything of any value here.

In answer to Lons post though from my point of view the answer would be Yes - without question.



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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 05:39
What FPSC needs is a total overhall

Any time spent by TGC itself, (As apposed to Thrid party fixes), on FPSC sould be on completing a V2
And what V2 needs above all else is to be faster. (Not faster games, but FPS itself needs to be faster). All the other points are true, but I dont think they are not the main issue.

If FPSC V2 is to have a future, it really needs to be written in something else. I can see the cudos attached to BDPro being used to write this. And as a technical showcase its amazing. But if there is to be any hope of a FPSC v2 I think a language change is needed. UNLESS FPSCV1 was really badly written in the first place.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 19:13
does it have allies? because if it does, then i could just sell my game easier to pay off the upgrade(when i finish it)

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 20:58
This isn't a real upgrade and I'm not actually working on making one like it. I just posted this thread to get peoples opinions and their feelings toward paying for such an imaginary upgrade if it were to present itself.

It was also a post to show TGC that many of us are willing to pay for a substantial upgrade to FPSC so that they might get some incentive to actually do it.

If it takes money to get them interested in upgrading this thing, so be it.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 21:00
I would pay U$80,00 for these

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 21:05
I would sell my immortal soul for those updates.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 21:18 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 21:19
you have to realise FPSC isnt the highest priority of TGC, whereas DBPro is, an uprgrade would be very nice, but consider first of all what needs to be done to make it good at its current point. There are way too many bugs for my liking, which i would much rather prefer to see fixed than these upgrades.

just put yourselves in the programmers position, imagine you had to read this and see what you have to build, your asking for a full blown game engine with A* physics, A.I and other complex features, to top it off, all running online and at a larger framerate, i could never expect all this (atleast in one request) from a human being...

all i want is the minor fixes, this isnt too much to ask, after all, TGC shouldnt really be selling such buggy software

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 23:04
I actually agree with jon

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 23:07
I'm only paying for an upgrade if it comes with a free bag of coffee.....the good stuff, not that Folgers garbage.

If it had all the upgrades we've gone over, and bugs were being addressed on a regular basis; then I'd cough up another $50 easy.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 23:31
If they did all of that who would buy DBP.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 23:33
The people who wanted to make other games like MMORPG's and such..

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 23:45 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 23:47
Yeah, it's a tall order for sure Jon. I just put in all the major wants that folks have mentioned in the past. In listing the ultimate FPSC upgrade, I figured I'd get people to really say what they would pay for such a thing. just to guage things and draw TGC's ear to it all.

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@KeithC
Say, i make a upgrade for fpsc...To move the exit button one space up...and i sell it for 100$ you'd buy it as long as it has a bag of coffee included!?

Yes, id definatly buy it!
just want ragdoll physics! (and the free bag of coffee)
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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 01:34
Quote: "I figured I'd get people to really say what they would pay for such a thing."


lets say they did, would these new and enhanced features be put to real use? would they even result in a good game, or would we see yet more and more stock media games pile up.

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First of all, The things that FPSC needs most are the save/load functions, and AI allies. As long as they don't interfere with the ease of use of the program, the other features would be fantastic, and very much worth the price of $25. Cheers
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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 02:06
As long as it's not Starbucks or Folgers.


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OKAY! I promise only the best, imported, fresh, tasty coffee!
Anyway who would drink Folgers!? (If you do, your a very sick person,that needs serious help)
-OKAY, see ya i'm off to download the source, to go edit that exit button!
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@Crazy Kamakazi KIller Guy

I know youre just kidding but to change its possition you would just have to edit the position in the setuplevel.fpi.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 03:41
Millstone make a great coffee called Foglifter.You ought to try it sometime.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 07:24
I would spend 30 AT MOST.
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Okay I see what you mean...12 mins later
DONE! WHO whants to buy my super cool 3d new flashing exit button with advanced ai scripting (i used intellimatter for the exit button) and evasive action + a free bag of coffee (not Folgers)

NOW FOR ONLY 99$ YOU SAVE A FULL DOLLAR!

Quote: "Millstone make a great coffee called Foglifter.You ought to try it sometime"

Foglifter, Folgers...mmm...Sounds little close...Are you trying to fool me to drinking Folgers and spending an eternity in a doomed coffie bar!
Okay i'll trust you on this(but remember kids never trust anyone)
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Seriously, i thought it was merranvo and not Crazy Kamakazi KIller Guy who posted that.

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who wouldnt pay thats a good deal

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It is nice but You can change those things a little bit with other programs (I thaught somwhere).

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For significant updates, I never mind paying an upgrade cost that's with in reason, that stuff definantly falls under that catagory Lon!

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Quote: "If FPSC was upgraded to include Dark A.I., the new physics system, save/load, physics and dynamic entities (remote mines, grenades) in multiplayer and an overall increase in framerate beyond 32 fps, say 60 fps, would you pay for an upgrade? say $25.00?"


No... I would sincerly prefer an immense overhaul on the scripting system and allow every single variable to be dynamically changed BY scripting.

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Personally, I believe that a save/load feature and any bug fixes should be free. Also, as much as i'd love to see darkphysics and darkA, wouldn't that mess with the current games we have made?
And I'd easily pay £50 for a DarkAI/Physics thing...
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i think you do not pay because if the upgrade does not include the full version and all it will do is put the FPSC in date.

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I think updates like Bug fixes and save/load should be a free update, but something like DarkPhysics and Dark A.I. I would definently pay to have in FPSC.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2006 17:29
jonathan samson, I dought you understand what you are even talking about.


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dought

Higgins the word is doubt, and what he was saying is simple. He believes that an FPSC Upgrade will not cost because it does not include any files that will make the "upgrade" work on its own. Unfortunatly, I disagree.

DBP is in all sense a major upgrade to DBC. TGC has given out free patches that fix problems (an break others) and sometimes add minor things, but most of that IS minor, these are not upgrades, they are fixes.

I think in the FAQ (the FPSC FAQ not revial) they said "TGC Reserves the right to charge for all updates to said product and what not". Bug fixes should be free... as I understand that is the way TGC works, but major updates... that should not be free you are talking about months of source code editations for nothing.

Updates to DBP come in dll files, unity, the enhancements pack, dark ai, dark physics, dark lights. These are all paid for, not free.

Maybe now you understand.

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Still waiting for someone to tell me where to send a check for my bug fixes "upgrade".

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