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3 Dimensional Chat / Cartoon Fantasy Theme Pack

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x1b- Your letter for your sig is strait out of the Dark Crystal.....Very cool


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Will do. I'm going to ask my friend if I can use his account tomorrow and just pay him with cash. Either that, or my dad has to put money from the bank into paypal and that takes a few days... Either way I'll be buying it soon.

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It seems we are both reading from the same song sheet. I am truly sorry if offended you and I realise that my comments were very mis-directed. I should not have taken offense with you and for that I am sorry."


No problem and thanks dude, I don't get offended that easily and wasn't, but I was annoyed why you came up with that comment which is why I enquired there, the only times I have been offended is direct insults that are completely unreasonably and attacks (not challenges) to my beliefs. But only one or two on the internet have done that and laugh at internet abuse/bullying

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Quote: "x1b- Your letter for your sig is strait out of the Dark Crystal.....Very cool"


Credit goes to Megaton Cat for my sig. He and I are a funny pair. Two of the boards more stubborn characters and yet we are about as close as online friends could get.

The Crazy: Any news on the Cartoon pack?

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The crazy
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Nah, not yet. I'ma be using my friends paypal account and I can't talk to him till tomorrow. He already said I could though. I might even order it at lunch break tomorrow if I can... Then it's just a matter of how fast I get the models.

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I took a look at the screenshots and recognized a lot of the textures from 3DTotals TotalTextures V15 (ToonTextures) CD.
Could you enlighten me regarding the license since as far as I know they are only for private use but not intended for commercial use. Thanks
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I wouldnt be able to tell ya. Sorry to anyone who was really uber insanely excited for me to get these models, I ended up going to Disneyland w/ my cousins and that sorta set me back a bit money wise. Sorry 'bout that. (I hate when I say I do something and then not do it )

...coincidentally I'm going to Disneyland again next friday as well. Huzzah!

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Posted: 6th Dec 2006 06:02 Edited at: 6th Dec 2006 06:10
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there is a lot that look similar from this link

http://www.3dtotal.com/services/cds_new/v15.asp


to be rational, perhaps the artist owns that CD but as pointed out above not for commercial use.
if plagiarism is happening, we have all been taken for a ride.

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Where are you seeing that these textures are not for commercial use? It doesn't say it anywhere that I've seen; what's more, there is a list of Major Companies that have bought these textures here. I'm pretty sure those Companies had commercial interests in mind, when purchasing them.

Please show me the language (in a page on that site) that states that these textures cannot be used for commercial ventures. If there is no such stipulation, I suggest everyone leave Stevie alone.

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This was not thought as an attack but an inquiry. I own several CD's and here is the license agreement which you can find on them:
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All contents of this DVD 'Total Textures Vol 10' are copyright 3DTotal.com 2004.

Any contents of this 'Total Textures Vol10' DVD may not be re-sold, packaged, loaned or otherwise redistributed.

The contents of this 'Total Textures Vol10' DVD are offered royalty free when used within a work of art. You may modify them in anyway in order to conform them to your needs however any such modifications are still derivatives of the source image and may not be sold or distributed as your own original textures.

IMPORTANT REQUEST - PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ILLEGAL COPIES OF THIS DVD

We have worked very hard to produce this professional texture collection, yet it has been priced with the hobbyist in mind. We have plans to produce future collections of similar or greater content but still within this price range. Please support us by not making illegal copies of this DVD and allowing us to continue to release these future products.


Thank you for your support.

Tom Greenway
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If I understand it right, the usage of the textures is free in any work of art (renders etc), but may not be redistributed or sold ?
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What that says is that Stevie's work is legitimate. Thanks for showing us the EULA. Unless Stevie starts selling the textures by themselves, he's not breaking any laws.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2006 15:23
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Word!

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actually the EULA states different to what you may be thinking KeithC.
Quote: "The contents of this 'Total Textures Vol10' DVD are offered royalty free when used within a work of art. You may modify them in anyway in order to conform them to your needs however any such modifications are still derivatives of the source image and may not be sold or distributed as your own original textures. "


that said, theres no way to tell if they are the same from here.

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All that says is that you can't sell or redistribute the textures as originals, or "modified" variations. If you couldn't sell models/media that use these textures in commercial work, then Companies like Electronic Arts are going to have a major recall of all their games. I see Team 17 on that list as well; they must have used it in their Worms Series.

Unless you're seeing something different than I am, Indi, then I stand by my original assertion. Who is going to pay that kind of money for textures that can be used in personal work only (other than the occassional hobbyist)?

I see people coming on with pirated media all the time on the FPSC forums; but I still have to look up the source (if there is one), and verify it carefully before posting in reference to the legitimacy of the author's work. It is time-draining to look up each potential infraction; but it is much worse to condemn someone who is honestly trying to do business with a community that is always in need of good art/scripts/programs.

I say again, according to the EULA presented, and the Company list presented on the Total Textures site; commercial use of these textures is allowed.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2006 15:57
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bravo Keith

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This pack he is trying to sell is not a work of art, hence still copyright to the company in question.
It may be digital artwork but its a commercial package of electronic media.
The Eula of that said artwork is not for commercial re distribution.

Im not about to argue with you on a speculation. there's no way from here we can prove otherwise.

Unfortunately its probably safer since we dont own TGC to make a policy and lock this thread.

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Actually there is a way to prove whether he's right or wrong. I've e-mailed Ben Barnes at 3D Total.com about this matter, with a link to this thread. When I get a reply from him, I'll post it.

Now, a point could be made that in certain instances the textures could be accessed through other means; but I'm not sure that's the responsability of the artist, as long as preventative measures are being taken. In this case, the model and texture are easy to separate. We'll see what the folks at 3D Total have to say.

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Posted: 6th Dec 2006 16:28
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[quote]The contents of this 'Total Textures Vol10' DVD are offered royalty free when used within a work of art. You may modify them in anyway in order to conform them to your needs however any such modifications are still derivatives of the source image and may not be sold or distributed as your own original textures. "[center]

I think they are going to say "As long as he is not altering the textures and selling only the textures."

I know that the thatch texture he is using is royalty free and can be used for anything he wants because I created it.

RF

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Posted: 6th Dec 2006 18:59 Edited at: 6th Dec 2006 19:26
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OK; here's the official response from the creators themselves at 3D Total:

Quote: "Hi Keith,
Thanks for the heads up. The textures are not actually allowed to be used in this way anymore. About 6 months ago we had a similar debate on our forums over confusions. However, Steve had purchased the Cd's before this and had asked that as his collections used the textures he would also promote that on the CD. We do not allow this anymore but Steve is ok as he sought permission from us before the release. The textures are allowed to be used in any project commercial or otherwise as long as the textures cannot be extracted by the end user. We also don't allow the bundling of the textures with any other products anymore but as I say this was a 'promotional deal' from our point of view. He will not be able to do this with the new collections. I hope this clears everything up and could you please post this on the thread for me.

Thanks

Ben Barnes
www.3DTotal.com"


Now that we have a final answer we can move on with our lives.

-Keith

EDIT: I e-mailed Ben back and asked him if this specific pack was ok to sell, just to be clear. His answer was YES.



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Once again, bravo Keith I'm glad someone finally made a mature decision on this matter.

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Very lucky Steve, you have been allowed to do something no one else can.

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[comment about indi edited]-even though he well desrved it

Nice Keith

Edit-There is nothing wrong with saying that.
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Woah, alex, take that first comment away before you stir things up in this...

BOILING HOT POT!!!!!


Indi please by all means let him slip for that as I am sure I'm not the only one getting tired of aguements

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I could raw read the forum post without the edits.
I didnt see it. another troll, trolling huh?
no worries. at least the problem is clear, no sense getting angry over asking a few questions with purchasing something.

at least we all know now its a rare condition regarding this pack.
something none of us would have guessed, at least not me.

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I didnt see it. "


Um... What?

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it means i can read the whole post no matter how much you edit crazy.
btw crazy hows the maya learning going?
Ive just started tapping into its huge arsenal of tools.
Im finding it slow but im having a lot of fun.

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'Tis going pretty well. Maya is really great. Like you were saying in the nurbs thread it is pretty good for organic modeling. That's how I do all mine nowadays. Goes through a process of nurbs shaping -> polygons and stitching it together -> Subdivs for more detail -> then back to polys for the final mesh. It's a really efficient way of modeling; learned it off a really good free video tutorial.

http://www.simplymaya.com/ (the dog one)

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thanks mate ill check that out tomorrow when i have another block of teaching myself this insane package.

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Quote: "The Textures are totally royalty free for use on any project, commercial or otherwise. The textures can also be modified in any way necessary, providing that these modified textures are not then sold as new 'textures'.

This can cause a problem if they are used in games, really only applying to pc games here, if our textures are sat in a folder where your customer could get to them. As far as I know all consoles games are fine as the textures are embedded in, so if you can also achieve this with a pc game making the textures very hard for another user to extract then this would be fine too. Please let me know if you have any more questions.
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I find Ben's response odd since it is still posted on his forums as what I qouted above, deirectly of www.3dtotal.com. At this point I don't think 3Dtotal knows there own EULA.

RF

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Posted: 12th Dec 2006 19:22 Edited at: 12th Dec 2006 19:23
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Dang i was hoping i get this model pack free then

Soul Alchemist W.I.P Thread coming soon!
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