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Talissu
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Posted: 22nd Jan 2007 14:28 Edited at: 27th Jan 2007 13:46
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DONE(?) NOW

surfaces: 1877 vertices: 2446

post edited again to change pic

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Talissu
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not just the barrel, at least the front part.

(sry about 2nd post)
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WHOA!

Almost 1200 polies?! That isn't even half of the gun! The whole thing should be that much...

I suggest not making everything look smooth, like the cylinders, because for one its not seen in an FPS view, and when you texture it you won't notice how smooth it is or isn't.

So yeah, it's an OK-ish start 3d wise, but game design wise that needs to be like 80-100 polies MAX. BTW I suggest you save the really detailed stuff for the back area, because that is what you will be looking at the most.

Hope I helped!

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well i'd allow up to 300 for that portion if i made it. Anyway that is just amazing! It looks like the real gun... and if you can do that on model #5 then you will be a pro game developer in 2 years. Congrats on a finely done piece of work.

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Congrats on a finely done piece of work. <-its not done yet buddy lol.

Anyway guys thx for ur comments
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WOW

that is so mad!

u should try making characters cos that detail is exelent...

shame it uses too many polys!

i heard 2000 is recommended max

currently trying to uvmap well... anyhelp would be great!
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Quote: "and if you can do that on model #5 then you will be a pro game developer in 2 years. Congrats on a finely done piece of work."


Umm...what? Er...no.

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No offense, not flaming or trying to be rude... but here's an honest opinion on the front part. It looks like a drain pipe. There isn't really that much detail in my opinion.

And seeing that the two people who thought this was very detailed and excellent, I can understand and it's not a bad thing that they just joined, but in my honest opinion you should really try smart detail instead.


Excellent Detail: Lots of detail on a high poly model.

Smart Detail: Detail on a model that looks really good, but is still low-poly enough for a game.

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Quote: "No offense, not flaming or trying to be rude... but here's an honest opinion on the front part. It looks like a drain pipe. There isn't really that much detail in my opinion.

And seeing that the two people who thought this was very detailed and excellent, I can understand and it's not a bad thing that they just joined, but in my honest opinion you should really try smart detail instead.


Excellent Detail: Lots of detail on a high poly model.

Smart Detail: Detail on a model that looks really good, but is still low-poly enough for a game.


-Mansoor S.

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Oh well, i accept that opinion.

*updates gun*

I'm gonna do something about the front part as soon as possible.

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I'm guessing thats... 8-12 thousand polygons?

Maybe you should try looking at some Low Poly tutorials before trying an AK47?

Don't think I'm being mean to you or anything like that, I just think that "doing something about the front part as soon as possible" won't cut it when its a thousand polies over what it should be.

Send me an IM or an Email, if you want I can maybe point you in the right direction on how to use less polygons and still get a great shape?

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Posted: 24th Jan 2007 12:03 Edited at: 24th Jan 2007 12:15
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8-12 thousand polygons?
Not that much <_< (that would be wierd i think)

1626 now.

*and feels dumb for using 34 segments for the cylinder barrel.*

Maybe you should try looking at some Low Poly tutorials before trying an AK47? <--- Hmm did you see my previous gun models? (just want to know whether you did)

EDIT:/*halts progress on AK-47*
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No I didn't, would you mind posting the links here?

And please don't stop because of me, if its 1626 polygons then once you reduce the barrel it could be a very nice model.

I'm sorry that I came off rude, but please continue on it!

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Posted: 25th Jan 2007 07:14 Edited at: 25th Jan 2007 07:22
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I'm sorry that I came off rude, but please continue on it! <---

not that im thinking your rude but i stopped (but maybe ill continue), cause i wasnt aware that

1.it had too many polys
2.had to think how to make the barrel/front part not look like a drain pipe <_<
3.that types of detail could be classified


Quote: "Excellent Detail: Lots of detail on a high poly model.

Smart Detail: Detail on a model that looks really good, but is still low-poly enough for a game."


4th gun: http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97832&b=3

2nd gun:http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97303&b=3
It has 200+ polies and its kinda simplistic.

3rd gun:http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97585&b=3
surfaces: 1125 vertices: 1150

1st gun:http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=97213&b=3
1200 polys (poly count aint that great)
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Well you have certainly come a long way. I think that if you look up some tutorials you will be able to make the gun look VERY good and with a little amount of polys.

Can't wait to see your 6th gun.

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Redid the front part
now the front part is 509 polys

Total is surfaces: 994 vertices: 1305

My uzi was 1500 polys

its still in progress, im slow, yea

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You sure you uploaded the right pic? It looks the same except that addition on the back there.

PS: Sorry if my posts are a little off, time wise, because the mods have to make sure that I am not a bad guy for the next week or so prolly...

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Posted: 25th Jan 2007 15:05 Edited at: 25th Jan 2007 15:14
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Its the right pic, showing that the WIP gun looks the same but with less polys.


(Next month, Feburary im planning to try modelling simple anime character heads, using polygon modelling.) Well, yea i did read that before you model characters, you must know how to model props, etc.

Or I may learn how to use a texture editor.
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I'm looking at both pictures of the gun and they look identical except the camera angle was changed a bit.

And are you gonna post a wireframe of this gun?

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Posted: 25th Jan 2007 23:35 Edited at: 25th Jan 2007 23:36
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Yea i will later
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image here
http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled09876543jk8.png
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Why do you have that odd triangle-ish thingy on the side there?

And I think its ok-ish, but you need to look at some tutorials if you want to take it to the next level.

Also remember, everything past the halfway line of the gun is not really seen clear when its textured. So try saving some polies for the back.

And you didn't reduce the count it seems, thats waay to much verts for a barrel.

PS: Next time save your image as a .jpg and host it here, easier to press a "View" button than it is to copy/open a new window/paste.

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Why do you have that odd triangle-ish thingy on the side there? <-
Oh that, uhh yea i think i did it wrong, extruded it wrongly.
They caused them to have some wierd shading. I think. Vertices placed wrongly.

And you didn't reduce the count it seems, thats waay to much verts for a barrel.<- I used 16 segments for the barrel. Total is surfaces: 994, im not kidding.

Guess I gotta redo that part again (two parts that have triangle things
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Posted: 26th Jan 2007 14:01 Edited at: 26th Jan 2007 14:02
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Total objects: 16 surfaces: 1194 vertices: 1594
for the model now
Trying to aim at below 2000 polys or be in between 1.5k to 2k.

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Dude they all look the same. I'm sticking with my assumption of "they actually are all the same".

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Yea the same but the difference being the poly count.

Should have mentioned the difference earlier.
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If you're aiming for a 2k tri cap then you have wasted far too many tri's already, I suggest you remove some un needed stacks around the barrel, and work on the basic shape of the whole gun before you start adding detail, as the ak requires quite a few polys around the trigger area, and with 500 polys left it would end up looking like a few boxes at this rate.

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triangle?

Uhhh I didnt triangulate the surfaces yet.

Stacks as in the white parts of the barrel?
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"Yea the same but the difference being the poly count"

You can't press a magic button and have it be 2 tri's and not look different.

If you lower the polycount, it would be visible.

Show me a picture that shows the first ones polycount, and the last update you posted.

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I say tri's because assuming this is designed to be in Darkbasic/FPSC then you will have to triangualte it, so there is no point in reading the face/quad count as it won't be accurate to the ingame model.

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I say tri's because assuming this is designed to be in Darkbasic/FPSC then you will have to triangualte it, so there is no point in reading the face/quad count as it won't be accurate to the ingame model. <- thx i understand
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I'm still making it but just incase any of you want to see how much i've done now.

surfaces: 2955 vertices: 1710 when triangulated <_<

surfaces: 1287 vertices: 1710 when not triangulated

So when people mention the poly count of their models, is it the poly count when the model is triangulated?

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EDIT: Sorry for this post if anyone saw it, I for some reason thought that you said you have 3000 surfaces and 1200 tris, but it is infact the other way around.

About that last question though, basically if they say its 100 poly's, that means its 100 polygons, and they say its 100 tri's, it means that its 100 triangles.

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ok thx
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UPDATE: its done now, the file/pic is on the first post not this post.
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I really doubt that its 1800 polys.

It just looks alot more.

But forget the polycount, great job on the model!

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That can't be 2k. I don't believe it 1 bit.

Put it up for download and I'll see the poly count for myself.

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ok i email both of you the model


funny the polycount is not believable, unless my software has errors or w/e

EDIT: OOPS, i emailed in ac3d format <_<

Nevermind, ill put the download here
Like what many ppl say when they upload, dont use in commercial games but you can edit, etc

x file here, (is it something like this?)

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Ok, I checked with a program that tells me all the right info (Milkshape), and it is 8613 Polies.

Surfaces are different than polies. And yes, it is about 2500 vertices, but it is indeed 8613 polies.

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Agh and I just sent you an email back.

Anyways, yeah 8000 polies is indeed 7000 too much.

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Read this on www.bakaneko.com

Face / Polygon


Polygons are what makes the world go round! At least in 3D they are. If you've ever payed attention to the latest in 3D Video game consoles, you may have heard people talking about how many polygons one console can display on screen at a time versus another console.
A Polygon (traditionally) is a triangle. A single surface made up from three vertexes in space. In current-day 3D applications a polygon can have as many sides as you let it (most modelers work in "quads" or 4-sided polygons), but when it goes into a game engine it is converted to "tri's" or 3-sided polygons automatically.

Don't care about games? Forget that, just remember that it's the polygon that gives the object a surface. The more polygons you have, the smoother the surface, BUT, the slower the computer will react since it has a lot more data to compute.

polys and surfaces do have some differences. ..
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I'm not 100% sure what a surface is EXACTLY, but i'm guessing that a surface is every flat polygon. So say you have a 4 sided box, that would be 6 surfaces, and 6 polygons. Say you have a 8 sided cylinder, that would be 2 surfaces, but 10 polygons.

Somethin like that, maybe?

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Btw my rifle/AK has 4330 polys/tris/surfaces w/e <_< when triangulated.

8-sided cylinder <-if you mean 8 segmented cylinder, it will have 24 surfaces as what Ac3d says. 8 surfaces on each end of the barrel. 8 surfaces for the tube.

the 4 sided box objects...do have 6 surfaces, and should be 6 polygons.



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but i'm guessing that a surface is every flat polygon. <---so my Ak-47 has 1800 polys only. Yay lol. Though it has 4k tris
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When making a barrel, you don't need to make the actual hole the bullet flies out of.

This is because 1) you never see it, and 2) its easy to texture in a black hole.

EDIT: Didn't notice you said something else at the bottom of your post... If it is about 4k tris, that's bad. Polygon counts are kinda useless if you don't use normal maps and are modeling for games... The key is too having 1.2-1.4k tris, which is about 6-700 polygons.

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Err at least its not "7000 too much" lol
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For a game it definetly is

For showcase its ok.

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Lol well it's 3000 too much.

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