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NVIDIA Competition 2008 / Tower of Illusion - removed from TGC server

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Daniel TGC
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2007 23:52
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I'm sorry guys, I've had to take down Tower of Illusion due to a very shocking and inappropriate easteregg discovered by one of our customers 12 year old son. He has complained, I checked it out and was shocked at the graphic nature of the pornography it contained. Obviously the developer thought it would be funny. But we can't tolerate that sort of material making it into our young customers hands. Honestly had I known about it before, I'd likely have requested that TGC strip it out of the whole competition. It's the same this developer had to go ruin what was one of the very best entries made.


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He did say mate. So it was pretty stupid of you to show him it.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 00:31 Edited at: 4th Sep 2007 00:31
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I have no idea what you are talking about Deathead. The game had hidden pornography in it that TGC was completely unware off for that's it's been taken down. End of story. It sure has hell wasn't in his e-mail or his readme file.


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@Daniel TGC: This is from his website for Tower Of Illusion...
Quote: "Will be 18+… In ESRB term, AO… (Adults only)

It will feature violence and lots of nudity… Expect to see a girl masturbating and/or 2 girls making out… -_-

"

End of story.

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May have been in the thread, but it didn't appear in the documenation, there is no licence file, and it did not appear in the e-mail given to us.
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Haha wish I would have seen A: the kids face when it loaded up B: The parents face when they saw the son looking at it.

Well I thought it was funny

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I wish to see this "Easter Egg" lol

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Quote: "He did say mate. So it was pretty stupid of you to show him it."


Perhaps he did mention it, however the game has no warning of it that I've seen.
Also the competition rules clearly stated you could not have Adult Only content. Although I can't remember where the rules are kept, I'm sure Daniel/Kenjar can find it and post.

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In my opinion- I'd expect a 12 year old to be comfortably laughing at any pornographic scene in a video game that came unexpected. Don't little kids discover porn around the age of 12?


Anyways, that might had come off as rude, sorry.

Instead of take the entire game down, why don't you just make a simple text file named "AGES 18+ ONLY" saying theres pornographic content and put it beside the EXE?


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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 04:11 Edited at: 4th Sep 2007 04:46
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This compo has been a total cock up from begining to end

Wasn't it one of the winners, so we were all robbed of a prize win because sum1 at TCG didn't even test the game/read the forum properly?

My Dinosaurs, which got censored somehow, weren't so bad after all, eh?

LOL

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Heh you are not robbed of a win! the game itself is of extremely high quality, the addition of the easter egg, as inappropriate as it has seemed to be, does not change the fact it was an awesome game!. Agreed if the games were screened before release they could have picked it up....maybe a lesson for future competitions that all easter eggs or material which could be offensive should be included in the sending email or added text file so that the judges can request changes be made (basically what the age rating systems do for pro games)

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The original rules where taken down, so I can't quote them, but at the end of the day, there's two sets of rules in play here. There's the nVidia competition rules, and there's the forum user agreement that we all accepted when we joined, which most certainly prohibits violent and sexual content being posted to these forums.


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That's the worst possible easter egg you could think to include!. I mean does anyone need help finding porn online! - it's not like people are gonna be glad to find that, even less glad when their kids find some creepy image in a supposedly harmless indi game. If that's the sort of content that Mike is gonna be including in his games then he can't post them in a forum like this, and shouldn't enter them in competitions either.

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I think compos should have a new rule. The Developer must post a link to the games site or a age (18+ etc...).

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I guess we need to remember this forum is no place for adults. They should have an 18+ section so those of us who are of age can talk about the naughty things in life.

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Quote: "Also i disabled the F12 button event"

I think Roxas was making a optimazed version of it w/t this easter egg. (or we aren't talking about the same?)

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I'd have been angry if my son had found it. There's a difference between finding things yourself and having it shoved in your child's face.

Unfortunately, it will only lead to future competitions being even more strict.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 18:14 Edited at: 4th Sep 2007 18:21
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TGC can't be seen to be promoting pornography so they can't/shouldn't link to it. Family-friendly-ness is the basic jist of the AUP.

Mike was a bit stupid if we are honest but that doesn't make his game poor, however, just makes him look a bit silly...

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[waits for Mike's anwswer]

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Quote: "I think Roxas was making a optimazed version of it w/t this easter egg. (or we aren't talking about the same?)"


Yes i have made optimized version it contained some bugs tough

But i can make version without it but otherwise its same..

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@Roxas: It could be nice. It's too good game to be banned at forums (but probably everyone has downloaded it).

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I thought it was pretty funny when I found the easter egg, but now that I think about it, there are a ton of young people here and having one of the most downloaded games contain that probably isn't a good idea.

Mike should just put up all sorts of AO ratings in the game (especially the version he's working on now), and even have it ask what age you are before playing. Most underage will lie, but it's no longer his fault, because he put up plenty of warnings.

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TGC is family oriented, and something like this could lose business for them. I'm not blaming TGC or Daniel, but someone should have picked up on this when it surfaced in the compo.

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How do I unlock this easter egg? (joke)

It's a shame the download has been removed... I like that game.

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I think TGC are to blame for this - the very first post on this game asked about the acceptability of the game containing adult content. NO ANSWER WAS GIVEN. Why not?

I think GatorHex was quite right to say:

Quote: "This compo has been a total cock up from begining to end"


and it is very feeble to complain about this NEARLY A YEAR after the compo started. Wasn't anyone at TGC paying attention to one of the most significant compos they've had?

[I agree, however, that the inclusion of adult material was silly and inappropriate - it's just that someone at TGC also needs their a**e kicked really hard with a boot with metal spikes on both ends(and I don't think it's Daniel ).]

Sadly, in view of all this, the game in question won't run on my machine ...
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Shame, I remember him asking about putting something like that in, and the advice was no...well at least that's what I said. It's a kickarse game, but at the end of the day, what he did broke the compo rules and is unacceptable for TGC's target business, so it's understandable that it got removed. Surely he could have at least left the pornographic content out of the version he submitted.

All I can say is, Mike you old fool!

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Posted: 4th Sep 2007 23:33 Edited at: 4th Sep 2007 23:39
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Quote: "How do I unlock this easter egg? (joke)"


Well if u realy wanted to see what all the fuss was about just put "Mike Inel" into Google

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And???

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Actually who would hold shift and write "Naked".So in a way the kid knew it was a cheat or else he wouldn't of seen it.

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Quote: "Unfortunately, it will only lead to future competitions being even more strict."


I think you have bigger matters at hand to worry about.

Did TGC not notice the $30 vouchers that didn't go out? Were the threads posted about them invisible?

Did they miss the thread about the prize injustice?

I think it's horrible how those problems haven't been sorted out, yet a thread can be posted about how one of the games showed pornography.

No offense to anyone particularly.


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Indeed, this compo is a screw up. Though fair enough the entry had porno in it, but seeing problems not seen to, I know we've had a post about the nagging to nVidia about the prizes - but I'm sure the whole voucher situation could still be remedied in the mean time...I'm sure plenty of us will vouch on GatorHex's behalf of entering, heck he has the emails to prove it. He's actually mentioned it so many times that I would be surprised if one of the TGC guys looking at the forums didn't notice his posts about it.

Unfortunately this compo has had repercussions on future compos, I for one am deterred - though thinking this maybe a one of and it's mainly nVidia's fault, but with the voucher thing as well sort of makes me want to put my time into something else worth my while. It's great you hold them and is a good thing to do, but loosing support from your community from these mishaps I'm sure will not benefit TGC. I dunno, I'm probably just being moody because I'm in a stressed state of mind (not because of the thread) but I have started to loose confidence in the company's support - I'm sure you guys try your best, but, well I have expected better. I'd listen to what the community says and what people outside of the community says - TGC hasn't had the best reputation amongst people who use rival software...some cases include switches from TGC's software (From what I've observed in the TrueVision, Irrlicht and Torque communities - although TrueVision are terrible for deadlines, which TGC are much better at meeting)

Sorry if that's turning a bit 'ranty', but like I said, I'm stressed, so tomorrow morning I may read that and think "Sep, you're being harsh"...of course it would be rather weird to refer to myself in my mind by my forum name...

Quote: "Actually who would hold shift and write "Naked".So in a way the kid knew it was a cheat or else he wouldn't of seen it."


You're remarkably well informed...something to tell us deathead?

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Heh in retrospect the addition of the offending material was payback for Mike not getting his prizes STILL! dam that Mike Inel he can see in to the future!

I firmly agree, this competition was a mess! False advertising, late or no prizes.

I think TGC have to do something pretty big now to make us even want to participate in future competitions because to be honest if we do enter we might be wasting our time. As many of the deserving winners did in this one.

Shame. On another note I will be running a competition soon for my horror music pack. basically a make a horror game competition with a free copy of my pack being one of the prizes. No cock ups I promise.

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Quote: "[waits for Mike's anwswer]"

1. This game's old... And you guys saw it just now...
2. A 13 year-old boy is actually a better judge than the whole TGC & Nvidia judges who took 2 MONTHS for them to judge.
3. The judges never looked at the threads of the participants. Other compeition judges does (Try looking at Joe Mirabello's comment)
4. If they put the links earlier, this should have been seen and took care off in the first place before anyone who downloaded my early links try the easteregg now.
5. I did asked in my very first post of my WIP thread, Image but never had answers for 3 months development + 2 months judging + 6 months no prize.
6. Remove me, so? Either way, i'll never get a prize anyway.
7. The community knew it. How come none of the officials was informed?
8. Yes, it's my bad. I admit, i'm a fool to do such a thing for an indi, buggy, lame gameplay, screwed up game.
9. I also admit that I tried hiding this from the judges and was very afraid to not make it to the winners, but I guess I was wrong, only one judge found it. (The 13 year-old boy)
10. I agree, this competition is screwed up. (Including me, of course)

.....

One thing I want to point out though:
How to submit your game (DBPro compo only)
Quote: "Using Notepad (or any text editor of your choice) create a file called author.txt. Place it with your game EXE. This file must contain:

1. Game Version number (see below)
2. Put 'DBPro' to tell us which compo you are entering
3. Your full name (not your forum name)
4. Your postal address, including country of residence
5. Your email address
6. Put a link to your games WIP thread (if you made one)

This file will be REMOVED when we make your game available for download. We respect your privacy. This file is for competition administration purposes only."



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5. Link

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They didn't...

I saw a few author.txt files but thought nothing of it...

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OMG screw up number 4 or 5? i lost count!

I happy my game didn't get in there now

Just imagine Serge now knows where you all live muhahaha scary

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That author.txt fkup is being sorted.

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The sooner the better.

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Quote: "You're remarkably well informed...something to tell us deathead?"

On Mike's thread Xenocythe posted it.-Hehe he must of done it
Edit: Either way I loved the game Mike.(I didn't know about the easter egg. But what made you make it around lesbians?

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Edit: Put it in code in case any 13 year olds are reading this thread.

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that whole screw up with the author.txt files is one of the worst imho...

there's not really anyway you can fix that, those files have been downloaded and (if they were downloaded by a game website admin) will possibly be propagated along with the game.

oh, and a small thing which i've already whined about before...was it just me or did the judges ignore the entire "two 1st places one for US one for rest of world" thing... ? (doesn't effect me because i wasn't 1st or 2nd btw.... so i have nothing in it for myself while saying that )

i guess it doesn't matter anyway since most people didn't recieve their prizes or recieved lacking versions...

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Doesn't matter though, Final Exodus really deserves to be 1st IMO, so I didn't complained... ^-^

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Sorry...but that's a pretty bad mistake to make - it really seems the TGC crew have really got themselves disorganised. I mean dude...Something like 'deleting author.txt' files should have been a priority stuck right on their monitor - or on their to-do list in big bold writing with a very grand border so they can't miss it - it's that sort of thing that could really cause problems...especially under the data protection act.

Unfortunately, it can't be sorted when somebody has downloaded it.

This makes me very glad I couldn't complete my entry, I mean when signing up websites I'm unsure about I put 'n/a' in the person info fields and when 'Psycho Gary' was talking to me on MSN I refused to give him my street name (but no other location details) just for a fun lil' game. (Haven't spoken to the guy in aaaaages...) So my whole address etc. to anybody who would download my demo...well I think anyone reading these threads have an idea of how much of a cock up the compos have been, so I won't turn into my mother by adding salt to the wound any further.

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Actually the responsibility and mistake where purely mine. I apologise to everyone, and I am uploading fresh archives now with all the author data stripped out.


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Thats a good start


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@Daniel: I'm currently working on a "removed Easteregg" version of my game. Will it be ok if I will send you the zip file of the game and reupload it again? It might take me some days, since i'm planning of adding some features so people will prefer playing the new version.

I'm sorry for the trouble... (I mean really, it's a a dirty mess I have to clean...)

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I don't see why not. But I'll need your definate assurance that you won't include any over 18 content in the game, hidden or otherwise.


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