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lostzac
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In the effort to build our company in the last 3 years, we have learned the hard way about marketing, publishers, distributors, advertisement, and how to handle it all.

We are now offering small developers, a chance to benefit from our experience. To increase our product base we are opening ourselves to publishing. We have put together 5 packages for the developers, with no cost to them. 3 of our 5 packages are non-exclusive agreements as well.

We have test marketed these packages for the last month, (some of you may have received emails from me as part of that testing) and feel confident we can help small game developers build there market presence.

No nothing is for free, and we do require a royalty based pay, and not all games submitted to us will be accepted.

In short I am hoping this will be one more tool a small developer can use to market there game. As I am busy with the client's we have already brought on, I ask you to email any questions, commits, or things of that nature to me at john.leutzii@mythopoeagames.com

or visit our web site
www.mythopoeagames.com

John C Leutz II
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Where is the list of packages and the information involved on your site?
Do I have to sign up as a member before I can see that information?

http://www.wembley1967.com
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If I was going to use this, I would want to hear some people who have used and made money off of this publishing thing. I don't mean to burst your bubble but there are alot of scammers out there who like to do this kind of stuff and rip people off.
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That site needs a major overhaul, no offence but it's all too cheap and dated to be taken seriously.

For one thing, online download purchasers do not need a fake box render - really I'd rather see some screenshots when clicking on a game, instead of instantly going to requesting credit card details.

You need to ask the games creators to provide some web graphics that don't look like they've been cut out while you eat a sandwich - there's some funny looking characters in those games, your website has to sell them to visitors, they should want to find out more about them.

Consider the polish that sites like Popcap games have, if you can't get the graphics down, then find someone who can. I'm not trying to shoot you down here, I just would NEVER buy a game from a site like that. There are so many levels on which you have to compete with a service like this, start as you mean to go on, or get nowhere mate.


Good guy, Good guy, Wan...
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Quote: "We are now offering small developers, a chance to benefit from our experience. To increase our product base we are opening ourselves to publishing. We have put together 5 packages for the developers, with no cost to them. 3 of our 5 packages are non-exclusive agreements as well."


If I have to sign up just to see your "packages" then forget it.
All of the points Van B makes are good ones as well.
And,interestingly enough,you still haven't replied to the first post I made in this thread.

For the record,you're not the first person/company to try this on these forums and you won't be the last.

If you seriously expect people to check out your site you need to respond to the posts here and make information on your packages easily available on your site.

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Posted: 28th Feb 2007 15:58 Edited at: 28th Feb 2007 16:05
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@ lostzac: If you do not mind me making a suggestion, and I only say this because it is what I am doing, shopping carts like ZenCart, CubeCart and other shooping carts are great for sellign games, and you can connect your chat rooms and forums etc. to it with links. I myself and switching to a cart and it will give a more professional feel for your store. Eveyone in this forum is right though, you need ot have a more profesisonal look. Also, you need to have a marekting campaign and explain in these forums your intentions, plans etc. I myself have gone through this and am still going through this and I it will not happen overnight. You also cannot expect people to download demos when your site does not have a reputation, because for all anyone could know there could be a virus. That is why game websites that offer downloads have limited demo versions that you cna play online. This is how I have bought a lot of independent games. Screen shots are mandatory because for independent games you have to build a reputation for the game. With big games like Quake, Halo etc. you see screenshots on commercials and on the box. Also, if you are not offering the game in a box, then its it not good to make a screenshot of abox. People do this for e-books and software to create the feel for a packaged item, but it will not work for games. If you have a downlaod verison of a gmae only, you need to state that, because if people think they are geting a box and they find out it is a downlaod only, they would more then likely be angry. Even TGC states if it is a download or not, so that would help you out too. I was going to make it where people could register an dupload thinsg to my store that is being rebuilt, however the issue cma eup that anyone could upload a virus and distribute through the website if they uploaded it to the server, so I canceled that. Also, making a podcast and video cast is good. FPSC is able to make screenshots and you can buy fraps or other recorder software to make your own video shots of the game. It took me over a month to work out a deal with one person, but over time we got it to work. If you really want to do this then dont give up, but it is going to cost you money and will take alot of hard work. I have mutliptle campaigns I ma planning out and I am investing money to run successful campaigns. In the long run it is worth it, but it is an uyp front cost you need to invest to make your site successful. As anyone will tell you there is alot of competition and you need to cotinually work on it to maintian your websites foundation. Feel free to look into the posts on my thread on selling FPSC games and you will see the process I am still going through to get the respect and trust form the forum members here. I wish you the best and hope it is successful, but as Fred P said, staying on top of your posts is mandatory if you want to build a good reputation in this forum, because if you do not, it just shows what people can expect form your service. I have new posts go to my email so that I can know when a new post is made.

Edit: Also you need to do more then a month of testing and if you do testing you need to make it involve more people then within this forum. When I came up with my idea, I contacted many game designers and got feedback about what I wanted to do, after telling them my plans, etc.

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@ lostzac: I am disappointed that you have not replied ot anyones post and that it seems you have abandoned the thread you started. This is why people are leery about people who claim to be publishers and distributors. So if you could post a reply and at least acknowledge someone then it would make things easier for people in the future like me who are true distributors and have the best intentions for game developers.

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I am sorry I was on vacation for 1 week and then as you can see, I had to have the site redesigned. I did note for anyone who was curious to email me..

The new site design is up....and I will be checking this forum once a day now that I have that done...

Again was not to be rude.....

John C Leutz II
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Quote: "@ lostzac: I am disappointed that you have not replied ot anyones post and that it seems you have abandoned the thread you started. This is why people are leery about people who claim to be publishers and distributors. So if you could post a reply and at least acknowledge someone then it would make things easier for people in the future like me who are true distributors and have the best intentions for game developers."


I did take in to consideration on what they had said. I also have reacted to it as I mentioned in my previous post. The site has been redesigned, as they pointed out needed to be done.

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Posted: 13th Mar 2007 23:29 Edited at: 13th Mar 2007 23:31
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@ LostZac: That looks a lot better. I looked over your store and it seems like you got things pretty well together. There are a few spots where the image does not show on your parnter page. I myself will apologize to you, because it did seem like you did disappear, and that does not build trust. I myself have my own store and if you read through my thread, you will see that trust has to be built here because of past experiences. If you ever need any help with anything whether it be your store or FPSC let me know and I will see what I can do. Glad to see you are back.



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Quote: "Online Publishing:
1) Non-Exclusive Contract – You can take the game to
any other publisher you feel like.
2) 30% Royalty Pay out to us.
3) Advertising
4) Submission to Portals, and Online Stores
5) We handle all Sale’s and Contracts"


Explain to me what you do to actually earn that percentage?


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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 00:11 Edited at: 14th Mar 2007 00:17
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@ Reality Forgotten: I could not find that on the website. Do you have a link to where that info is posted on their website? Also, is that 30% for digital distribution?

@ Lostzac: What does submission to portals and online stores mean? I ask, because if you sell through another store you will need to give that store a percentage of your sales.

From what I see posted it looks as if you are selling your games through your own store, but also making it seem like you are getting them placed in other retail outlets. For selling in your store and other retail stores, that is all under one contract?

When it says advertising it would help your customers if you get specific about what type of advertising? Advertising could be a banner ad? Also if you describe if it is online advertising only or if you are also doing offline advertising.

When it says you handle all sales and contracts, do you consult the developer first?

If you are taking 30% for digital distribution only, then that is high, because for me packaging a game in a DVD box, formatting it and loading the data on a disc, as well as everything else that comes with packaging, I only take 25%. Digital I only take 15% because you are not really using any expense for digital distribution.

I see you have games you are selling. Maybe you can have them write testimonials to talk about the positive experiences they have had with your service.


@ Reality Forgotten: I could not find any information on that, but I did not look. Is that 30% for digital distribution?

@ Lostzac: What does submission to portals and online stores mean? I ask, because if you sell through another store you will need to give that store a percentage of your sales.

From what I see posted it looks as if you are selling your games through your own store, but also making it seem like you are getting them placed in other retail outlets. For selling in your store and other retail stores, that is all under one contract?

When it says advertising it would help your customers if you get specific about what type of advertising? Advertising could be a banner ad? Also if you describe if it is online advertising only or if you are also doing offline advertising.

When it says you handle all sales and contracts, do you consult the developer first?

If you are taking 30% for digital distribution only, then that is high, because for me packaging a game in a DVD box, formatting it and loading the data on a disc, as well as everything else that comes with packaging, I only take 25%. Digital I only take 15% because you are not really using any expense for digital distribution.

I see you have games you are selling. Maybe you can have them write testimonials to talk about the positive experiences they have had with your service.



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Site looks like crap. It's a word press blog with some slight CSS and graphic changes...Not even a decent CMS. No game reviews. No links to the authors sites. Site that looks like it was modded by a 10 year old. Quit trying to get into my pocket with this crap.

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hmmm. I thought the site was cool. Then again I'm a terrible person to comment for websites.

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I think the site is too difficult to read. Especially on hires monitors. It doesn't use the full screen. The layout is a bit crowded. More power to you for doing what you want. But I think the folks here are looking for more.
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I thought the site was decent, and when you compare it to the other one before it it was better then that one. I went back and looked at everything really closely and yes it is made with some type of word press blog.

The biggest thing is that you are using advertiisng on a store website, because a screen popped up after I was on your site, and that can annoy potential buyers. Are you trying to make money form ads or selling games?

One thiong I would like to point out, is that the websites format when I look at it closely, seems to try to mimic TGC's website, as there is a products page, forum page, Mods, etc. I am not saying it is bad, but you are charging a lot, you are not providing detailed information and you are blasting your site with ads that have nothing to do with any of the games you are selling.

I hope you find success, but you may want to reformat your website.



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First off I am not scamming and thanks for the kind words Pas.

To some it up, depends on what has to be done and what kind of game....that also sets the percentage...if you have questions on that feel free to email me and I will go more in depth with you.

Second we also work with retail clients, and stores. In fact we are part of a huge expo that will be on the 24th that will house a bunch of our games for both customers and buyers.....

To Darmic if you had bad experience in the past I am sorry, I have not worked with you personally and wish you would talk to me before you label me.

As for the site being a word press blog..um no its not...it has a wordpress blog in it, but its defiantly not just a blog...and how am i exactly getting into yur pocket...

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Oh one more thing we do sell the games through our store as well as other areas...we try hard to get the best deals for our clients, in the best places, our store is just a give'en

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@ Lostzac: Lostzac, in this post I am going to put down some suggestions then I have some quesitons for you, because I too am form the US and I have many contacts here not only in stores for games, but also with people who dela with distribution, merchandising etc.

The first major suggestion I have is to not leave people here to wonder. Post yourr offers and go into detail about what you have ot offer here. I cna guarantee you iwll get a better response if you publicly post your offers and contacts here. When I brought the store idea to the forum for my store, on the website I had it publicly posted what I had to offer as well as a forum user posted it for me for everyone to see. I suggest you do that if you want to have your store considered. Otherwise expect the responses you are geting.

Secondly what store do you have ties with? Posting this would be good so people can know what stores you are talking about.

You said you were going to a game expo, well tell people which one. Also, you said you work with retail clients in stores, then tell them what stores you are currently working with. Also let them know if you have any merchandisers.

All I can say is that if you have retail clients and connecitons like you say you do, then let people know specifically who you are working with. Doing that and providing testimonials is going to get you credibility.

The more information you give, then people will see what you have to offer in detail. Also, the point of this thread is to give people informaiton about what you are offering, so feel free to post it here. If you make people look for the informaiton, the less likely they will be interested, because youre the one who made the thread, so make it convienient by posting it here.

These are only suggestions that will hopefully help you out.



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I have set up a spot on the forum on the site for testimonials, and contacted some of our clients who said they would post there today.

I did not think I was leaving people to wonder as all the information is posted on the site(which I tweaked again last night, based on your input)

I am not trying to mislead anyone, and I do expect these commits, as I also have developed games and have been mis informed. While I know now you all are thinking then why dosen't he just give the information ? I guess my response is you haven't emailed me and asked for it.

I put the initial offer of what we have on my forums. I have replied to any and all who have emailed me. This was really only meant to let you all know I was out their trying to help.

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I owe a I am sorry to anyone commenting negatively on our site...seems a problem with some browsers and larger rez then 1028 x 768. I am working on fixing this.

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I personaly don't think you are offering a reasonable product for the percentage you are trying to take. it may be different if there was alot more effort to gain publicity but there isn't. Do you have a list of affiliate sites that run alongside your supposed company? Is there any repudation for your company? I can tell that you are not looking for quality at all your looking for numbers instead...You have crap load of games hostedo n yoursite but none of them are for sale or from what I could tell.

Your site is not very convincing at all, I find it to be a one off of every other site out there. Why do you even have a public forum? Is it really needed? You would think that a company dealing with the publishing 'er scratch that a distribution system 'er scratch that I will call it a website with acceptable bandwidth would have a more professional website, one that is straight to the point. As it looks now I think it is a second rate thriftshop that has been placed online.

You need to shut the site down and do some serious work revamping it. Placing a bit more order to it, remove the forums. Add many more functional pages to it, get rid of the news section and create a seperate page for it, php-fusion look is a bit overwhelming.

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As all we are doing is hashing this back and forth if my offer is worth it or not...I do not see the need to keep this going. Had you of gone through the downloads (which seems blatantly obvious where you would go for demos and downloads, and clicked on one of the box, you would of seen two buttons TRY ME , AND BUY) I do not think thats to hard to do, but hey maybe I give to much credit..

The Forums are there primarily because we also developed games and I do like hearing feedback. The news to increase our Google ranking as there spiders such for words not graphics.

As for my thoughts considering all you did was log in and bash some 3d artist who was trying to make himself better, I am not going to relay on your commits.

In the end out of all the game engines I have worked with and communities, this one has the most negativity to it. No offense to
you Pas as you were honestly trying to help I beleive.

On the last note...I do not discuss business in open, so those who were serious feel free to contact me. Those who just want to say I can do better, well maybe you can, maybe you can not...The clients I do have our happy with me and in the end that is all that matters

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@ Lostzac: I cannot speka for everyone else, but I know that I would not want to email someone. I would figure if you wanted to help people then you would just post the information and let everyone decide for themselves. That is what I did, and no I do not have alot of FPSC game creators trying to give me their games, but I did get interest from people. I agree that you are going to need to re-do your site. Reality Forgotten is right, what do you need aforum for. Yuo could just make it easy and have apage dedicated to saying what you have to offer and all the informaiton someone would need. But it is your website and so you cna run it any way you want to, but I doubt you will have success because simple thiongs like posting the info here, very high rates, unclear who you are working with etc. it leaves to much unclear. I will visit your site right now and see if I cna find some answers.



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Quote: "php-fusion look is a bit overwhelming."

RF I agree with you. I mean all sites are going to use php and MySql for DB's, but at least don't use a poorly modded Wordpress blog in place of a nicely done custom CMS. I mean at least have the decency if you can't do a custom theme yourself to pay for one. There are many Mambo/Joomla CMS sites out there that provide nice custom designs for a reasonable price. If your going to charge professional fees, at least put some time and resources into your tools.

That's like a carpenter going to a job site with a Black and Decker saw....Because those are made for homeowners and crap on a commercial level, I've seen foremans chuck some labors saw off the 3rd story cause they didn't want that garbage on their site.

It's called the "right tools for the job"

And you don't have them.......Show up with a Milwaukee or a Makita or your getting laughed off the job........If you want union wages don't use scab tools.....

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Posted: 14th Mar 2007 21:12 Edited at: 14th Mar 2007 21:12
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Here is the packages that Mythopea Games offers. I copied it straight from their website.



Quote: "Online Publishing:
1) Non-Exclusive Contract – You can take the game to
any other publisher you feel like.
2) 30% Royalty Pay out to us.
3) Advertising
4) Submission to Portals, and Online Stores
5) We handle all Sale’s and Contracts

Online + Retail Package
1) Exclusive Contract
2) 40% Royalty Pay out to us
3) Advertisement
4) Wholesale, Retail Market, and Online Portal
Submission
5) Packaging of all Material
6) We handle all Sales
7) ESBR Rating
8) Bar Code for Retail Purpose

Affiliate Package
1) No Contract
2) Sales off our Site
3) Minimal Advertisement through our News Letter and
Blog
4) Sale Commission is based on Game

MMORPG Package
• Currently Disabled while we work out details on server issues

Partnership Package
1) Contract based on the amount of work and what you
need done
2) Market Research
3) Plugged into our Advertisement Network
4) Plugged into our Distribution Network"


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@ Lostzac: Questions? On your website partner pages what does a engineering company and a Avon sales rep have to do with distibution of games?

You still do not say who you work with as far as I can see and your testimonial is vaque.

Your prices are way to high, and in your testimonial it says online shops.

I like giving people the benefit of the doubt, but it seriously does not seem like you are comletely on the level you claim to be. But that is my opinion.

The reason why I am so interested is because I am trying to work with FPSC game developers, and questionable "distributors," "people trying to help," etc. make it hard for people who are trying to help and who do offer a legitimate service. I am not saying you do not offer a legitimate service, but as I said, when I go to places like Pinnacle, Lucas Arts, Alliance, which are major distributors, you do not see parnter links with people who are not associated with the gaming or animation industry. And honestly, what good are you going to get from a Avon rep partnerhsip? Avon? I am not trying to make fun of you or your website, but lets be realistic, Avon?

As I said before your website raises questions. I wish you the best, but answering questions and being more volountary in the forums will help you gain peoples trust. But as I said it is your website, store, forum. I wish you the best.



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The Avon Rep is my wife for one...SO I support her...Thank you..THe car links are partners we had with them to develop Phoenix Racing.

As for the rest, I have worked with Boonty, TryMedia, Meijers, BestBuy and Walmart, and Aiden...

Last but not least I said I was a developer who was opening his door to help other small companies get published, I have never claimed our company was just a publisher....

But in the end if you all dont want my help so be it

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Quote: "As for my thoughts considering all you did was log in and bash some 3d artist who was trying to make himself better, I am not going to relay on your commits."


Did not bash the dude simply stated he needed to learn a lot more before he signed any paperwork. IF he does sign paperwork with his stuff looking like that he is going to be laughed at not taken very seriously. And I would hold you to blame by over inflating his ego and then taking advantage of it.

So you're saying that you had some pretty bg name affiliates?
I responded to your email asking for validation of company credentials, and you still have not answered it. This leads me to believe that your "company" is not a valid one..if it is prove me wrong then. You nevermention what type of adverts you are going to give to the "developer".

Let's break this down as best we can, Shall we?

Quote: "Online Publishing:
1) Non-Exclusive Contract – You can take the game to
any other publisher you feel like.
2) 30% Royalty Pay out to us.
3) Advertising
4) Submission to Portals, and Online Stores
5) We handle all Sale’s and Contracts"


Under this package "plan" the "developer" has the right to submit to mulitple agencies, right? but they are still kicking out a 30% return to you based on the sales that you say your "company" generates. What advertising do you offer? You submit to portals and online stores and handle all of the sales and contracts?

What contracts are you talking about? What proof are you going to furnish the "developer" that you are actually doing some leg work? after all you work for them and not the other way around.

ok after reading back through this i think i made my point with this first package...no need to break the other ones down any further.

What legitimecy do you have? Can any of the affiliates be contacted to verify that you were indeed affiliated with them?

And your website....If you want people to support this I would lose the Avon and car bits...after all this website is geared to help us sell games right? So if i am selling a game why would i want to buy avon products? As far as i am concerned you need to go back to the drawing board and get your details in order. If i am signing a contract with you, you can bet that you're paying for the rights to the game and not the other way around. If you are to make money on something that you're not going to promote heavily then you need to shell out the cash..seems, like you're asking alot for nothing.

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You know what you can believe what you want, I am far way to busy to keep up with this. I am on the Chamber of Commerce, which should be enough...but it is clear to me that this is nothing more then bash a guy for trying to help....

Good bye don't worry I wont be back for this

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Sorry needed to calm down...Your points are made...In the end I do work my rear off trying to help people, and I do not like having to prove myself to anyone...What was the worse you had to loose, if you signed one of the non exclusive...You had someone else working to make sales for you...

As for proof Office Purks will be released April 2nd by Boonty

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I'm confused? Are you saying that you have games for sale in Meijers, BestBuy, and Walmart?

In whatever capacity you worked with those companies, get an endorsement from them published on your site and everyone here will shut-up, and sign-up!
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point taken

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@ Lostzac: I love my wife too, but at the same time you have to maintian a degree of professionalism. I honestly do not think you are trying to put your full effort into this, and if you are then you are not going to impress to many people, or even convince to many people that you cna do what you do. As I said I tyr to give people the beenfit of the doubt, but there are sevreal things wrong 1) Non-professionalism 2)Anyone can make a claim on the internet and your content does not display the best source for that 3) Simple requests like posting info are not met 4)You make claims about ditribution and all but you do nto display anyone you have worked with 5) You do not state whether you have ties with merchandisers

If you did not want to make an effort, then why did you post the thread. I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you do not seme straightforward in specific information. Advertising can mean anything, it oculd be putting up a flyer in a laundrymat. But as I said that is up to you. My first store was not the rgeatest and I was told that, but instead of acting like it did not matter, I invested a lot of time, money and effort to make it betetr and am still trying to improve on it.

If I was a place like Atari or the Game Stop Network, I would not sign on for 1) You take to much royalty without saying specificly what you do 2)Do you knwo the requirements for getting a ESRB Rating? I aks because you state that you do this for your second package.

One thing that makes me wonder about your statements is thta anyone who claims to have ESRB ratings have to go through a process. But one greta thing about the ESRB is that they track an publicly post who is registered. Since you offer a ESRB rating you know that you must submit not only your company information, but also your website information and if you have a website for the game you want rated, then information on that as well. They have a ESRB privacy code that websites I would like to think always join, which you can see here, http://www.esrb.org/privacy/sites.jsp ,but I did not see your site on there.

To make it even better and to protect the best interest of everyone here, I contacted the ESRB with the claims you make. Now one of two thinsg will happen, either you are registered with them which means that they will confirm per my inquiry if you are a registered memeber with the ESRB, or they will look into your claims because you are not registered with them and check to see if you are making fraudulant ESRB ratings on games that have not been reviewed by them. Since you did put thta you have an ESRB rating, this will be easy to verify. I know, because I have come across people before who cliamed they would give a game a ESRB rating, and I checked with the ESRB to make sure.

If you are registered with the ESRB then great I will post the reply form them stating so. If you are not, then that is considered fraud, major fraud.

So, we will wait and see. I am not tkaing nay side, but I would like to get down to the truth here and the is the best way to verify what you say sionce your website says one of th epackages does give an ESRB rating.

I will let everyone know what the ESRB says.

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Soemthing I noticed just now it says ESBR not ESRB Rating is there such a rating as ESBR?

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go ahead and request

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That could be a mistake on my part..Late nights no sleep

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When you request make sure its Mytopoea Games Inc your asking for...I dont want to have you come back here and say I am a fraud..

As for time I am investing my time and money...But I will state it again this was only to help...My passion is development, I just wanted to help some other developers

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as for the charge well my time is not free after all
But ok for the time being this option is closed untill I work on what you all have stated

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but still contact the Ratings company...They have 4 of our games right now being reviewed...

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Quote: "Sorry needed to calm down...Your points are made...In the end I do work my rear off trying to help people, and I do not like having to prove myself to anyone...What was the worse you had to loose, if you signed one of the non exclusive...You had someone else working to make sales for you..."



So basically you want all of use to assume you are legit..Funny mindset if you ask me. see you say you don't like proving yourself, well my friend that is what you have to do. Your failed attempts at answering these questions has hurt your case more than anything. I guess once the endorsements go on your website (hopefully after you have made drastic changes) I'll contest those as well, I am not going to do it to discredit you but to prove your worth... also you still have not answered my advert questions...so far i give a 0 out of 100 stars mate.

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Cool ,Banana Man was made with AGS game engine.
http://new.bigbluecup.com/yabb/index.php?topic=30005.0
How is it selling for you?

My Web site Deveron Murder MysteryGame Mikes Room

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Now to answer one more question sorry but I am reading through your last post Pas and working at the same time...

Besides a lot of money...I do not how many people have applied for a rating but it is not cheep (through if you want to be retailed through a store, 90% of them require it) I think the quote I recived back with our membership was 2000+ a title...

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Banana Man is doing fine, If you feel the need contact the company and ask him what he thinks of us...Last time I talked to him he was quite happy.

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To RF I said the offer is closed at this time anyways until I can answer your questions more professionally. I can not just go copy and paste a company's logo on our site, I have to have there approval.

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never asked ya to...Though i am glad that you have come to your senses. maybe future dealings with you will be a bit more forthcoming..


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@ Lostzac: I do not need to tell them the name, I gave them the link to where I found it. I told them I was a independent game publisher and told them your claims that you were making and asked is there such a rating as a ESBR and if not then do they know about you and gave them my personal email address. I got a messgae saying that the ESRB does not respond to every inquiry but I think they make look into that. So either way, you honestly do come across as a fraud, because it is hard to believe ESBR is a typo.

I am not suprised that the "option is closed" and I honestly think you are not being truthful. One thing about the ESRB is that to get a rating you have to be a game devloper or publisher as it states on the description. Retailers can join the ESRB Retail Council like Game Stop, Blockbuster and Best buy have just to name a few, but as far as I know a distributor does not do ESRB ratings only developers and game publishers.

So will you now claim that you are a game publisher and no longer a distirbutor?

I do not have to say anyones a fraud, I will let people decide for themselves. As for me, even if I did not have my own store and all, I would not do it. To many convienient excuses. Especially when you claim to have ties and all but cannot provide who you work with which should be simple for someone who claims everything you do.

As I told Nano Games, I cannot guarantee how many copies I can have sold and I know a merchandiser who has worked with independent titles who would consider to at least look at a title if I showed it to them and independent stores as well. All I can do is present the title and make it the best presentaiton I can. I also know people who would be willing to carry the title as a game that they would use in their game centers, and some palces thta will use them as demos as well as independent stores that know me. But I am not going to say I am connected with Circuit City and all. I tell everyone I am a small fish if even a fish at all in the gaming industry. I am working to establsih myself better, and continue to make ties as I go along. But I do not sell dreams about being a worldwide distributor. And that is fine with me, because I may not be a reosource who can get you into the biggest stores, but I do have ties with a lot of independent stores of people who personally know me. A lot of the big titles I sell on the store I made now, was because of the merchandiser I know who helped me out. I netowrk with a lot of people and I do not consider myself a major player in the gmaing industry. But what I do consider myself is someone who will be real, not lie, and will be honest and say I will try my best and put my full effort in. I am always looking for partnerships and networkign opportunities. Even at my college, I aks my professors who are big name sin the naimation and gmaing industry, if they could look at my work and see if they could intorduce me to people. But for someone who claims to have all these major people who you work with, or at least thats what your words make the majority of people think, you do not like ot provide any information on it.

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* Step 1. Preparing Rating Submission Materials
* Step 2. Sending Materials to ESRB
* Step 3. Receiving the Rating/Resubmissions
* Step 4. Sending ESRB Final Product

Is the answer to the esrb question, just copy paste form my login accouny

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@ Lostzac: You can find that answer from their website. But anyways, good luck with your games etc. I wish you success.

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I wish you luck as well...In the end, I do stand by my company and the way I do business. Just as I am sure Pas dose. I wish all those here luck with there endeavors..

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