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Veleck
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 10:01
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Hmmm Heyas Lostzac,
Heyas everyone else. So I see they are doubting you. Well I can understand why there are somethings missing. We are working those issues now and though we may seem to be "frauds" at the moment we will work to show that we are not such.

As I so strongly believe in if you put yourself out there you are looking to be critiqued. We have been by this community and I thank you for the honest CONSTRUCTIVE critiques we have recieved back.

I stress constructive because some people tell you you're no good just to flame.

Anyways I hope we get these issues resolved and can offer the initial services to you with your trust.

Thanks,
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PAS
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 15:00 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 16:47
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@ Veleck: OK this is what puzzles me. People who post things usually have joined the forum dates from last year or before. You guys have posts about selling games almost the same day you joined.

I came across this communnity because I am a customer of TGC and Bought everything for FPSC. So I am in this forum because I have the product as well.

Did you guys buy FPSC? How did you come across this community?

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I talked with someone about this. He has a gamer in different forums for 2D game engines and he even agrees that the people he has seen solicit posts about the same day they join, they usually are trying to market products or services in the forum. I mean, suddenly there is another guy from your company who is saying some things need to be filled, but my question is why did he not fill them right when he made that post? And he joined the forum yesterday.

Quote: "Well I can understand why there are somethings missing. We are working those issues now and though we may seem to be "frauds" at the moment we will work to show that we are not such. "


Why do you have to work on those issues? What issues are there? Why do you have to work to show you are not frauds? As I said if there are things missing, why dont you fill them in instead of making everyone wait? Its not hard to post answers here, but every time you get a question, you say you need time to answer it or you post it on your forum, or you say email me. Why cant you post it here in the open? Especially since you are asking people to trust you with their work. When I showed up with my store idea I did not expect that and I did not disappear for a while. Vacation or not, I still check my email and access the forums.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but you guys really make me think youre not being 100% honest. I can understand why people are reacting the way they are here, because you provide no repsonse, you disappear and say its vacation and you provide no basic answers to simple questions. Instead it seems you have to think out an answer, which is why it makes me wonder about your truthfulness.

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lostzac
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 21:24
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Pas I emailed you answers....As for the post above I didn't ask him to post, he had heard me discuss it last night, and was trying to help is all. For me, I have a few people who have contacted me through here, and they can reply on if i am worth it or not.

Sorry for bringing this topic up again.

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PAS
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 22:32 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 22:33
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@ LostZac:
Quote: "Pas I emailed you answers"


Honestly the only reason why I have ocncern in this entire thing, is that I received a lot of doubt when I brought up a store. The reason why, is because there were so many people who previously made these claims. That makes it harder for people who are trying to establish something. If I have the resources to build a nice store site, (I will admit my first one was lame LOL), Then as being as wlel established as you are you shoudl be able to create some amazing stuff, because I dont have connections with large chains and as of now I am not paying for ESRB ratings. The point is, I am still working my way to the top and even though yes a huge publisher like Alliance can do a lot more then me, I do have some contacts with people that can help me place games in independent stores as well as other resources like merchandisers. You say you have been doing this for three years. I have been doing it longer then that. I have met many people who have claimed things, and I have been taught by some of the biggest names in the industry. You make key points iny our statements like ESRB Ratings, Contracts with big stores, etc. and you come across as a big name in the industry. I asked who you worked with, because I actually know people from big studios, and I know them because they were my teachers in college. Like I said, you seem to be revolving around in circles so please dont email me answers, post them here if you want me to see them. I am to busy to worry about what you do, and if anyone in these forums does do business with you, then thats up to them. As for myself, I can understand people doubting you, because I went through the same thing, but even now when I am given a question I try to provide as much info as possible. Its like customer service and if you cant answer peoples questions here, then what kind of service can they expect form you? I still wonder why you even make this thread?

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lostzac
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Hmm you profess to wanting to find out the answers...Ok I will end this once and for all. (So I hope)

I have been in contact with the ESRB and in fact I just spoke to NicK Fletch on legality on putting Rating Pending on 4 of the games we submitted.

My Legal gs1 Number is 0896252001 For those who dont know what that is, that is what you need for bar codes for in store sales.

I am a member of the Chamber of Commerce in Lowell, Mi (which you need a legal tax ID for your company to be part of)

As for who I work with and what scope, that is between my company, my clients, and myself. Some of the contacts I have, happen to have NDA'S signed with..so I can not discuss them....

The services we offered are listed on the forum under publishing. I was not trying to ignore you. To sum it up in a small space...depending on what is needed...press release, submissions and placement of software both on-line and retail. As well as marketing and development if needed. It really falls back on what the developer needs. I like to think of it as taking the marketing worries off the developer and allowing them to worry about the game development.

I think that should wrap it up. I would of gave the same information to anyone who emailed me, as I prefer to do business with my clients alone not the whole forum.

I hope this will end all discussions on my legality.

John C Leutz II
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rolfy
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There are actually some good games being created by members of this forum,if it was your intention to 'graze' for quality product,then you have just failed big time.
I for one would never hand any of my product to someone who was so evasive in answering questions.
I know you are going to tell me that I dont have to take up your offer,but you cant expect to do business unless it's transparent,the only endorsment I have seen so far has been one of your partner's,whose bad spelling and grammar only made things worse.
The only connections you seem to have are Avon(your wife) and companies you worked for in the past,I have worked for many companies myself,but I dont link to them from my website.
I am not trying to be rude but I feel this is all down to really bad business sense,at the end of the day,I count more than you do in a deal like this,but you dont seem to think so.
It's not really a question of legality,I assure you,if you carry on in the same way your business will never grow.
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lostzac
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 23:07
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I was not evasive, If you wanted answers all you had to do was email me. I find it hard that a concept as easy as that was hard to follow. If I want to talk to someone offering my game or product, I would call them. They would have a fit if I just expected them to answer me in a public place. So maybe you all are right and maybe you all are wrong, that is not for me to say.

Like I said I have some contacts who had taken the time to contact me, and see what I was about. I give them Kudos for being professional enough to seek the information out.

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rolfy
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You are the one that posted your wares in a public forum,I dont see why I should have to e-mail you to get what should be simple answers to simple questions.
As for professionalism if you think me e-mailing you would be professional then fair enough,personally I would rather see a professional product. And have a professional,not to mention mature, relationship with my clients.
It makes no difference to me what your opinion is of my 'professionalism' as I am finished with discussing this with you,good luck.
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 23:17
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I was not insulting your professionalism as I do not know you.

To go back to my first post I said this "I wanted to Help " funny how you all take this as me selling myself...If I wanted to sell myself I would of paid for advertisement.

I agree though this has gone on to long and I would also like to see it ended.

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Locrian
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 23:31
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GS1 numbers are 8 and 13 characters long. Not 10. I tire of questioning your "legality" when you make it so hard to get a straight answer.

Under what name is your Chamber of Commerce in Lowell, Mi. registration. I live in Mi myself and would be happy to confirm if the regestry of that web site is the same as the name your going to give us.

REFERENCE MATERIAL:
GS1 Number Search:
https://www1.gs1uk.org/pls/live/p_wwv_process_gepir_search?session_id=&the_number=08962520&number_type=2

GS1 Contact Information for United States:
Quote: "USA
GS1 US (Established in 1972) Princeton Pike Corporate Center 1009 Lenox Drive, Suite 202 Lawrenceville, NJ 08648 USA
PHONE: 16 096 200 200
FAX: 16 096 201 200
E-MAIL: info@uc-council.org
WEB: www.uc-council.org "


GS1 Contact Information for United Kingdom:
Quote: "UK
GS1 UK (Established in 1977) 10 Maltravers Street London, WC2R 3BX
PHONE: 44 (0)20 7655 9000, Helpdesk: 44 (0)20 7655 9001
FAX: 44 (0)20 7681 2290
E-MAIL: info@gs1uk.org
WEB: www.gs1uk.org "


Chamber of Commerce in Lowell, Mi. Member Search:
http://www.lowellchamber.org/
Note: Using the sidebar menu on the left scroll down five categories to "Chamber Information". The second topic in the menu allows you to look for who's regestered.

Feel free to explain your 10 digit GS1 and supply the name under which your regestered so we can verify though a domain search that the same people are all involved.
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 23:34
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You are wrong GS1 Numbers is what I gave GLN Numbers are what you are reffering to and my company name is on my signature

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lostzac
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I have the doc in front of me....Which gives you 3 numbers, you should have the same document if you have paid the 700 it takes to become a member

The 3 numbers are GS1 COMP PREF which is what I gave, Legal Entity GLN number and the UPC Prefix

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lostzac
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http://www.lowellchamber.org/

Look in the M's save ya the time

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Locrian
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 23:38 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 23:40
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Check all.....you cant do gs1 or gln
I'm not wrong. I tried it in every search incase you were wrong.

OK the sites reg. Still don't explain the numbers though. 10 digit numbers work no where in any search.
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I have all 3 numbers thank you..your free to check me out with them as well...

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BTW I do not see the need to carry this fight on...You all asked for proof I gave it, now you all are trying to dispute the proof...You know I do not think rather I would of answered up front or not would of mattered...

I think you have the undying need to prove me as a fraud

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Locrian
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Posted: 15th Mar 2007 23:42 Edited at: 15th Mar 2007 23:46
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Ahh...you didnt give us the prefix....thats the deal....Whats the 3 prefix numbers....no wonder 10 didn't work.

Theres 3 numbers we need to see if that's legal. You probably gave your licence, but theres a country 3 digit GS1 number.http://www.gs1uk.org/uploaded/doc_library/GS1%20prefixes%2021022005421.pdf
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0896252001 is the prefix

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0896252001007 IS GLN
896252001 is for bar code

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Locrian
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No.....that don't make 13 numbers....If thats a real number there should be 3 numbers that tell what country this is in. 089(your first numbers) aren't even a country thats listed. So your missing the point.
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I understand you all have a problem with my views on business, I do not have issues with that. I must be doing something right as our business has tripled in size. I understand you all question my site, as I am a developer, I just added the information their, I should of created a separate site with more info. Heck I even understand the need to see if I am a fraud..

But I do not wish to fight this out with you all. The above commit is true..You all do have some well deserved titles.

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Those are the three numbers off the certificate on the wall as of Feb 27th we were issued

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Dude, the fact of the matter is you still have yet to respond to an email i sent you three days ago. and many questions that i have asked on page one of this thread are still unanswered. So yes i think you are a fruad, I don't care if your registered withthe COC (lol), As long as think i am going to be making a profit at any point during the year i to can register. Now back to the point at hand how you have handled this contest is very poor, leaving unanswered questions and sliding comments to side step over other questions...How does that work for you? at this point I would love to see this locked because it serves no point in these forums, sinc eyou have not explained how you sell games or what you do to sell them. and if you repsond with that through instores and digital download than you will have proven my case..

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Oh I did answer your email above...You just choose to ignore the answer as it is not the one you want...

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as for the rest i did ask a moderator to delete this topic as I wish no longer to fight this out

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Still can't confirm any of those numbers. It's probably best that this is deleted as you say.
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I dont think this should be deleted,it's a good example of 'how not to approach a games developer'.Or 'beware of strangers bearing gifts' or summat like that.
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http://www.gs1.org/productssolutions/barcodes/support/prefix_list.html

by the way GS1 US

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GS1 is global. The america site has no look up(well I couldn't find it, but then I'm about over this stuff). But I linked to those same numbers man. Theres no 089. And trying your GLN of 0896252001007 yeilds no results. It's a global look up man. Either it's found or its not.

I just think more then anything it's proving how hard it is for the common man to trust what's said. Licences and numbers with links aren't provided freely on the site. Theres no way to verify much that you say.

Bottom line, it's just not a very well designed business. And not something I myself would want you to get 20% for.

Overall I'm just not very impressed. And I can't get past that site....It looks horrible for a commercial site. I've known guys in clans with no computer skills put up a more professional looking deal. It just screems indie games...
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Locrian and Rolfy not like I would consider this guy seriously but you guys should be a little nicer. Considering your join dates I am surprised at you two. It seems that with lots of forum members the older their join date the easier they get angry. I think it's time everyone (maybe me included) should just leave this thread to die like it was doomed to the second it was made. (no offense lotzac but what did you expect?)
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Thank you Slayer_2 I agree

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I don't think this thread should be locked or deleted.
I saw the site when you first posted about it.
It gave me none of the information I was looking for (like how to submit a game,etc.) and I even left a post here and it took you quite a while to respond to that post.
If you were so internet connected and doing souch great business it should not have taken you forever to initially respond to peoples' posts.
Also I don't like any threads where people who join instantly try to sell their products for services.arond these FPSC forums people generally attempt to establish themselves before they try selling stuff.
I have not even bothered caring about your proposal since I saw your site and your relctance to respond to peoples' posts.
And how many serious businesses require you to send or receive an e-mail for information that should be freely available on the site for people to read?
If you were serious about people submitting games you would have had that info available on your site.
As far as I can see nobody has violated the AUP and the original poster initiated this thread so he should have no problem responding to any questions,opinions or comments that other forum members post.When you try to sell something that's the kinds of things you deal with.
BTW everything up to the AUP business is my own personal opinion and I am entitled to have it.

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Announcement: I was sent this email form here.

Quote: ""Nicholas Bogart" <nicholas@threebhut.com>
Heyas,
I am veleck from the forums and well I would like to talk with you
offline from the forums.

We are a small fish and I am newish to the company. From what I have
observed of the lostzac and the company he is working hard and putting
alot of effort into things.

I was more post last night to try and say that I was going to answer
questions if I could. Most I should be able to answer or know the right
person to ask to confirm.

I think you honestly want to help and I would like the assistance. I
can always bring it as suggestions to lostzac to change, improve, or any
number of things.

I would like to know what would satisfy your doubts. I didn't mean to
leave it hanging and I don't want to drag things out on the forums. I
would rather prove to you then prove to the forums.

I really guess I can't say anything to make you believe this is
sincere. So if you reply I will do my best to answer promptly.

Thanks,
Nick"


Whoever this is seems to answer emails better then you Lostzac. Honestly, I agreee with FredP, Lostzac posted this thread and he is dodging every question. It really seems you tried to join the community and then sell something. Then you want to get offended because you feel that we believe a big time distributor is going to endorse things form Racing to Avon. By the way you never said how you came across the forum. You also never said if you ever bought FPSC. As I said before, I post in this forum because I bought the product, every pack and add on I could find almost, and I still need ot get a few more. But the point is, if you do not even own FPSC, why did you come into a FPSC forum?

@ Veleck: I dont see why you just dont post what you have to say in the forum. You have nothing to prove to me, because I have a store to sell my stuff in and if I did sell it through someone else, it would not be next to a title called Banana Man. No offense to the creator of Bannana Man. But please do not email me. Feel more then welcome to post anything here.

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Quote: "I would like to know what would satisfy your doubts.I
would rather prove to you then prove to the forums."

This is the real problem here,you have to prove it to the forums dude.Not PAS.
PAS has went through the same the same deal and he at least has been open and tried to gain some trust,lostzac on the other hand,has been on the defensive since day one.
I couldn't care less what proof you have to offer now as your company has not been respectful to prospective clients,I have said it already,your not doing any favours here,business is business.
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rolfy for mayor!!

Seriously well pu trolfy and pas, i just wish this guy whould annswer a few questions and perhaps repspnd to my email i sent him...and no i haven't received a response from him... I recommend he gets the "boot to head" award today! way to go champ!

cheers,
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Quote: "Besides a lot of money...I do not how many people have applied for a rating but it is not cheep (through if you want to be retailed through a store, 90% of them require it) I think the quote I recived back with our membership was 2000+ a title..."


Even though Lostzac seems to have abandoned this thread again or maybe he is on another vacation again. I read a piece in an article @ GamePolitics.com talking about ESRB raitngs and costs. On this website, http://gamepolitics.com/2006/10/16/smartbomb-author-has-plan-to-fix-esrb/ ,which talks about valid issues and info in the gmaing industry, it even is said
Quote: "Plus, as it is under the current system, ESRB rating costs $5,000 per game and is not instantaneous."
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Quote: "with our membership was 2000+ a title"
Just another point proven.

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Announcment. I got a reply back form the ESRB:

About Lostzac I cna say he was not lying about the ESRB. I got this reply.

Quote: "Dear Kenny,

In answer to your question, the company about which you inquired is in fact able to submit games to ESRB for rating.

We hope this information helps.

Regards,

Entertainment Software Rating Board
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenny and Jamie Phair [mailto:kennyandjamiephair@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 5:46 PM
To: Marketing@esrb.org
Subject: RE: Other


ESRB,
These people claim they are registered with you. Are they? That was what I was trying to find out?
Sincerely,
Kenny

"Marketing@esrb.org" <marketing@ESRB.ORG> wrote:
Dear Kenny,

Thank you for your message.

In answer to your question, after looking at the page to which you linked, it would appear that the mention of "ESBR" may have been a typo that seems to have since been corrected.

We hope this answers your question.

Regards,

Entertainment Software Rating Board"


I am more thne happy to forward the email to anyone who wants to see it. Even though I agree that he is not providing the best quality website, he is registered with the ESRB.

So, I guess he would be a great alternative for those of you that want to get your games with a ESRB rating.

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Quote: "In answer to your question, the company about which you inquired is in fact able to submit games to ESRB for rating"


I'm sure any site is able to "submit" a game. And If I'd paid the money to become a member, along with your little note to him, you better tell him to complain about not being listed on this page of the ERSB.

http://www.esrb.org/privacy/sites.jsp

When he gets on there then we can see it for ourself.
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i might use this it sounds cool. when my game is done
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The point is he was not lying. You have to go through a review process which is here. https://www.esrb.org/publishers/index_notloggedin.jsf They do verify that you are a real business. As far as the listing goes for the one you displayed. Thats is a privacy listing for people whoregistered with the ESRB who agree to abide by the ESRB's privacy policy. I found out it had nothing to do with who was registered with the ESRB. Hey, his website is not the greatest, but he checked out through the ESRB so it is worth something. Its more then what any of us here have done. So as I said, he is a good option if you want a raitng for your game, especially since so many people were worried about Vista blocking their game. Also with a ESRB rating you can sell through major chains liek GameStop who require that.

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Still the letter said nothing about being a member.......Never did confirm his other numbers....

Lets be honest here, before we glorify this guy for everything he's doing, we have to look at the fact some things aren't clear with his services. Is it our fault he's got a crap site? Nah. Is it our fault how he's going to earn his portion of that big percent isn't laid out like a Thanksgiving feast? Nope....not that either. Is there a possibility he's legit? Sure. Is it more likely the reason a lot of things aren't clear is due to something shifty? Well the experience on the web would tell you yes.

If he can afford all the licenses he claims to have, including that whopper from ESRB, then why didn't he pay 50-100$ for a decent CMS, or better yet get someone to design a totally custom one? IMO if it looks like a duck.....it's a duck. If you don't have the tools for a job, you can't do that job. That website is part of his tools.

I say none of this because I think or would say your lying. I don't know you. You may be a wonderful person. At least you post around here and we can get a feeling for your personality and who you are. This guys only intention is to make make some money off people. Theres to many missing pieces of the puzzel, and when in doubt on line.....watch your wallet...If his site was more complete and answered peoples questions I wouldn't even be posting in this thread.

It was best to let this die.

If someone makes a game that's actually worth selling, my bet is their smart enough to do their own research.
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Lets be honest here, before we glorify this guy for everything he's doing, we have to look at the fact some things aren't clear with his services. Is it our fault he's got a crap site? Nah. Is it our fault how he's going to earn his portion of that big percent isn't laid out like a Thanksgiving feast? Nope....not that either. Is there a possibility he's legit? Sure. Is it more likely the reason a lot of things aren't clear is due to something shifty? Well the experience on the web would tell you yes."


I cannot explain why Lostzac did what he did, however, I do know he registered with the ESRB wich is an accomplishment. You cnanot just send ina game. The ESRB pre screens the people who want to submmit the content and you must have a game to submit to the ESRB as wlel as future proposals. You cannot just send a letter on letterhead and then you are approved.

I go off facts and it is a fact that as crappy as everyone thinks his website is, he is registered with the ESRB which is a part of these facts 1) I do not see anyone else in these forums registered with them including myself 2)He must be legitimate because the ESRB checked him out and approved 3)Anyone who makes a false claim like that could face serious trouble for falsely representing themselves 4) He must have some type of establishment with his business since the ESRB approved him 5)It is a fact that when you register witht he eSRB you cna easily get your game sinto major store chains as that is a requirement for any retialer registered with the ESRB.

I just like the way you continually make your comments about doubts even when the evidence is before you. Anyways, if anyone wants proof as I said i can forward the letter. Regardless of how unprofessional the website seems, he has the ability to get a ESRB rating which is more thne what I have, and I can admit that no problem. It would be nice to be able to be registered with the ESRB as it would open more resources which is why I am looking into it. I still expect people to doubt this, but I have seen the proof and congratulations to him for at least geting to where he is whether or not his website is the best on the net or not. As I said, its a fact that I do not see anyone else offering ESRB ratings in these forums. I recall also that there were a lot of complaints about this and how exspensive it was etc. How Vista and the ESRB option would damage indie gaming. Now that there is a person here who can without any debate offer a rating, still more proof is needed?
But as you said, everyone can do their own research.

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