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Math89
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Posted: 23rd Nov 2007 14:44 Edited at: 7th Sep 2008 15:39
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Doubt is a futuristic squad based FPS I'm developing with my team mate Plougot. We would like to make it epic, with huge and intense battles (a bit like in call of duty). We'll do our best, let's hope it'll be enough .

This game features an advanced AI (including allies), fully shaded levels (normal maps, parallax, shadows, glowing lights...), Newton physics engine, particles, etc.

Latest videos :
Trailer 1 (November 2007)
Trailer 2 (April 2008)

Screenshots :
Motion blur effect


Multiplayer


The level editor

This is an old screenshot showing the cover system used by the AI

And some really old screenshots
screen1
screen2
screen3

Because of fraps, there is no sounds in the video (only the music), which is rather bad, because we've recorded some nice shouts for our soldiers. Nevertheless, we hope you'll enjoy the video.
Download the video (You'll need mp4 codecs in order to play this video)




Please tell us what you think .

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looks very nice, wat about some shadowing?


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Looks awesome from the screen shots. My net is being slow so I'll report back on the vid...umm...next week maybe...Lol!

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It looks great , although the texturing on the characters is very low res compared to that of the rest of the level. Are you going to add any detail to the blue bits of their armour?

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This just sparked my interest.


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The only things that stood out as being not as spectacular as the rest were the lack of shadows and the character animations and more specifically the transitions between animations. Other than that it looks brilliant!

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very well done, I would love to play this.


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Thank you guys .

Butter Finger : I may add some details to the texture (even if I'm not that good at texturing), but it's more likely I'll make a new soldier model/texture (I start to get bored with this one ).

TEH_CODERER : We've got some serious problems to make good transitions using only the BDPro commands (and we don't really want to buy the animation plug in, even if it looks awesome). Actually, we are using Set Object Interpolation for the majority of the little transitions (e.g walking to running) but we have got some special animations in order to make a transition (e.g leaning on the wall).

For the shadowing, I'm searching an efficient way to have lightmap and the normal mapping on a scene with real time lights. It looks really simple (like adding a shadow map on the scene), but I really want something better. And I don't want to use the DBP shadow shader beacause it's slow and limited.
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This is going to seem like a stupid question, but what do I need to play MP4? I thought WMP (Windows media player) would handle it, but aparently not.

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@C0wbox - You need Quicktime.

@Math89 - Yeah, thats why I made my own animation plugin! Lol! However, I believe Cash Curtis II posted something in code snippets that will help. As for shadows, its no biggy. I know how hard it is to get decent shadows working at a good speed in DBP.

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Quote: "For the shadowing, I'm searching an efficient way to have lightmap and the normal mapping on a scene with real time lights. It looks really simple (like adding a shadow map on the scene), but I really want something better. And I don't want to use the DBP shadow shader beacause it's slow and limited. "


Well the DBP is a basic concept for stencil shadows, good on nvidia cards but certain death performance wise on others.

Do have some shaders that could help though, been meaning to make them compatible with DBP to replace my current Ambient Occlusion + SubSurface Scatter + Shadow mapping solution that I use for Resident.

See what I can come up with later tonight.

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Because some people can't read our video, Plougot uploaded it on youtube.

And 2 new screenshots showing the difference between the lowest and the highest settings for the game.



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Looks beautfiul

I'm glad to see an actual game thats coming along well. It would make me happy to see it do great on sale.


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Awesome! Are you going to release it?

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Seriously great work with this, one of the best I've seen in DBpro graphically. The AI looks nice too.


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The video was 1000x better than the screenshots show...

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Have a problem, solve the problem, and have a new problem to solve.
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lovely reminds me of timesplitters somehow
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Looking good - what are machine specs for the user and what are your machine specs?
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I have got a pentium 4 3.00 Ghz, 2Go Ram, with an ATI Radeon X850... I don't know Math89's machine specs, but I think it's roughly the same... Maybe less Ram and a better graphic card i don't remember. Most of the screens have been taken on his computer. For now, we both run the game with full effects, but it may not last, we don't know... depends on what we will try to add.
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Thanks for the comments, guys .


To play with the lowest settings, you need a 1.8GHz processor, 512MB of RAM and a GeForce 5700 (or an equivalent). If you want to play with higher settings, you need a better graphic card (I have a GeForce 7600), but the RAM isn't a real concern.

We are currently working on some big optimizations (IA, level of details...) to make the game faster.
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Looks good so far . What is the actual objective/story of the game?


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The story is really complex, so i'll just quickly describe the world, and the begining of the game:
you live on planet-ship, with a dictatorial government, which is searching for new habitable planets. For unknow reasons, you are attacked by aliens while the planet ship is revolving around a new planet.
At the begining, it is very manichean, you're a simple soldier doing his job, but progressively, your character loses his trust in what he is doing...
that's why it is called "Doubt"
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This looks awesome


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I finally managed to get some real time shadows, it's an huge improvement.
This will allow us to add a really good atmosphere on our levels.

Youtube video
The battle is a mess because the bots were just supposed to fight without thinking of their certain death . Plougot configured them that way for debugging purpose.
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Oh my goodness! The graphics look brilliant! Great work! Commercial quality.

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I wonder when are you going to creat a gun model for your charcter?

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The most stunning and exhilarating game made in darkbasic pro

I only have two question:
1) How did you get real time shadows working without a huge frame
rate drop?
2) what specs do you need to run the game with shadows on?
I have a intel pentium 4 clocked at 2.93ghz,
radeon x300 series with 128mb video memory,
512mb ram
keep up the good work

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cyril :
Actually, there is a fps drop, even if it is playable (40-50 fps), but this is not in a complete level.
Your benchmark results are almost the same than mines, so your computer may handle soft shadows properly (by the way, I don't think this test is reliable for shaders).
I'm currently trying to make some optimizations, but don't expect a huge gain.


Zachaboo :
I don't know, I'm a rather lazy guy and I don't have too much time for modelling .
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http://groundzerodevelopment.co.uk/Module2.html

If you good at coding shader you can modfied the shadow depth mapping. maybe modfied the shadow texture res to increase the speed of the game with shadows. Hope this helps.

ps: this is my first time I try the "link" button, so if the link
don't work tell me.
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Actually, this is the one I use (with some improvements, of course ).
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After a long time, here are some news !
The AI has been recoded, it now allows completely different enemies having different strategies.
The rendering has been improved, with better shadows, impressive particles and a dynamic colour range for the scene (desaturation, hue, contrast...)


http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=zc5Mx6FDRkc
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Very impressive. Reminds me of Doom3 graphically, which is a remarkable achievement. Any release date?

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Thank you, Monty87 ^^
Well, because of a particularly annoying bug ( http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=127381&b=15 ) We don't know when we'll be able to release something.
Since last time it took a year to upgrade from 6.6 to 6.7, we don't know when it will be fixed.
Anyway, if really nothing moves, we'll disable some stuffs to make it compatible with dbpro 6.7, and at least we will release a little graphical demo.

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Awesome congrats this looks really impressive

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Wow, that looks amazing. I can not wait to play this.

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Looking good . What do you use for real time lighting?


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Thanks .
We use the Evolved's normal map shader that can be found in the Ultimate Shader Pack. I've changed it and we can now have specularmap, lightmap, occlusion, parallax and shadows (not everything in the same time of course ).

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Really awesome, really nice work mister masterchief

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Nice,the new video looks good.
Well done
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We now have some nice motion blur added to our effects list . Plougot is remaking the animations of the characters, it starts to look great.

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Wow this is amazing looking.

Yeah I've noticed that your animations are a little choppy in the 1st video.

Some amazing lighting you also have there.


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This looks great. I'm going to watch this with interest!
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say... this is quite impressive. I am very fond of the level editor, especially because it has multiple texture levels. It reminds me alot of Unreal 2004.

(Petit mot discret... je crois avoir lu que vous utilisez les deferred shading cree par Evolved... yaurai pas moyen de le partager parceque son site est mort. Jm'excuse d'avance si jai pu vous offencer en "hijackent" votre WIP. )
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Alot of evolved shaders are in the shader pack, use them.


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We don't use deferred shading, only the standard 6-lights normal mapping (with some improvements).
Nevertheless, I've attached the deferred shader.

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Motion blur is AWESOME!

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wow... so you are achieving this without deferred shading!... I'm impressed. The lighting is looking particularly neat
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lookin cool. (how did I miss this thread?)

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how is it going guys any more recent news or vids
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Well, we have got some new little graphical effects, and the AI is getting better and better. Since exams are almost finished, we will go back to work very soon .
I have a lots of things to do and it will take a lot of time : I must completely remake the level editor, I have to finish the script system and then, starting the real gameplay .

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Attached a screenshot of the editor, showing the dynamic shadows.



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