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3 Dimensional Chat / In search of a Moderator for the 3D Chat Board.

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=Acid=
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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 04:57 Edited at: 19th Apr 2009 14:01
Well, I wouldn't mind having a go. I practically go on this board everyday. I have knowledge in all aspects of 3D work and I have some industry experience as well as working on a few source mods. I'm also sure most of you have seen my work and yes I used to be Crav3, I modeled that darn AK which I haven't had time to turn it into a High poly to bake.

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So there can only be 1 Mod?


If Alucard gets it,he seems like someone that could do this, He spends more time than anybody else, although his attitude would have to change(not saying that it hasn't already) because he will have a big responsibility. Alucard aren't you still going to school?
If alucard does get it I wouldn't mind helping out as a assistant moderator whenever Alucard isn't online or something.

BTW, wasn't there other mods on here before?
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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 05:50
Acid would be a great mod, IMO. and he'd also be another Aussie mod. If we get a couple more us Aussies can rule the world!

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Alucard94
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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 11:54 Edited at: 19th Apr 2009 11:56
Quote: "So there can only be 1 Mod? I wouldn't mind helping out as a assistant moderator whenever Alucard isn't online.


Alucard seems like someone that could do this, He spends more time than anybody else, although his attitude would have to change(not saying that it hasn't already) because he will have a big responsibility. Alucard aren't you still going to school?
If alucard does get it I wouldn't mind helping out as a assistant moderator whenever Alucard isn't online or something.
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Yes I do go to school but I have way too much free time anyway, I basically am here constantly, although when I'm sleeping that might change hah.
I do realize my attitude has been criticized with the entire "not posting positive" thing but I'm changing that as we speak. I always keep nagging on how important criticism is so I better take my own into consideration.

Quote: "BTW, wasn't there other mods on here before?"

John H is one that springs to mind, but from what I recall I believe he's busy in college work.


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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 14:03 Edited at: 19th Apr 2009 14:11
Quote: "Yes I do go to school but I have way too much free time anyway, I basically am here constantly, although when I'm sleeping that might change hah."
Perhaps we could swap moderation every so often,month or whatever. That way there is only 1 moderator lol. I'm not sure but I think this is a paid job, that's why there can only be one?
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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 14:05 Edited at: 19th Apr 2009 14:13
Quote: "I'm not sure but I think this is a paid job, that's why there can only be one?"

Actually moderators don't get paid.
School really doesn't take much time at all, I'm here at least 10 hours a day. Then again, I really don't sleep much.
2 Mods would be a good idea but if they've put it down as one I'm guessing it's for a good reason.


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lazerus
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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 14:08
sorry but i thought I would keep the comp thread tidy,

--//TGC Comp Archive
\\TGC Comp: Participant Model Database
\\The New TGC 3D Competitions

Just to keep the stickies neat and tidy, why dont we compress these three threads into one?

It was mentioned about thier being 13 stickies, 12 really since this thread wont be around much longer, 10 if we remove the kristech competion threads, its over and done with now,

IF we compress these two aswell
--great 3d resource//
\\helpful post about 3d

We would have the ultimatle package for tutorials, modeling software, freebies and other links, 9

This is just a suggestion, a good one really at that

that'll drop us to 9 sice two are constantly changing,
// the comp threads//

The rules'' and Do Not post team'' threads are a nessicity so people cannot claim ignorance from thier penalties.

blender to dbpro, never read it but 140 posts, its important,

it's a bit drastic but it works, plus itll give us a chance to add more tutourials and other new media to the mix,

cheers cb

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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 18:21
I'd say BigAdd and Sid would be the best choices. They both help out a lot and are great at what they do.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2009 19:11 Edited at: 19th Apr 2009 19:13
Technically we shouldn't need a sticky cleanup, every thread that is up there is up there for a reason, but seeing as people like to just instantly run away from those awful stickies for whatever reason I don't think that the amount of threads we have update help too much.
Lazerus has some good ideas, and personally I think that the Rules stickies and such really should be moved to the top of the board as that might at least make some sort of difference to what people reads and what-not.
Personally I think that rule-wise the first thing that this board should be prioritizing is disciplining people into not posting model software threads, because it seems as we have removed team requests completely from this board so why can't we do this with this as well. We already have the proper rules and everything, the only thing lacking is action.
Also maybe enhancing the control over searching before posting, maybe even adding it to the rule palette? Because really, if you can easily find the answer to a question from a 3 second google search why bother cluttering the board or making someone else search it for you by posting it in a thread?
Another popular thing appears to be that users who posts a thread for every single model, and they make a new model every hour or so, this should as well be compressed into one thread named something similar to "[Name] Models" which everyone in here should know by now but still some cases of this occur.
And also the obvious fact that either sticky the "How to make a model thread" or whatever it's called thread or make a sticky that talks about that as well. I don't think anyone wants a thread which just says "i made this new modell here its cool i think" with a single non-wireframe shot in it.
I mean if you read the 3D Chat rules thread it's rather lacking, probably because back in 2006 when it was posted these things weren't required but maybe just adding some more obvious things into there just to make it very clear what we want and don't want in here.
This board has lately become host to a bunch of new users and therefor I do really believe that we need a harder grip over rules so that they can easily learn.
It appears as this board has also been a place where people come to learn the basics and then they move on to other forums and such, which should be something we take a bit more into consideration. I believe that on this board, considering that TGC's main audience seems to be coming from FPSC these days, there will always be more new users than experienced ones.


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 01:06
There are a few things on my heart when it comes to how I'd govern the 3D Board, and Alucard highlighted a few of them. Sorry for stealing your thunder Alucard, but here I go .

Look what I've modeled threads: I don't think we should turn away people by saying your model isn't advanced enough or cool enough to post. Their are many different levels of experience on this board spanning across different ages, and they all want a bit of recognition and feedback for what they've done. Can you blame them though? Every time I finish a model, I'm stoked! I want to show someone! To shut down someone because they are excited or passionate about what they have made I think would be a deterrent.

The solution: Many different sites, such as conceptart.org and polycount.com, use sketchbooks. If I were mod, I would mandate that anyone who would like to post artwork create a thread that they would continue to update as they finished work. For example, the format would be: "Sketchbook: Sid Sinister." This should solve the massive amount of threads that could easily be grouped together. If someone fails to stay in one thread, I would simply ask them to create their own thread and, after the individual does so, lock the redundant thread.

Which program is best threads: Let's face it, their are dozens of different modeling programs, and each of them have their own pro's and con's. It's difficult, after seeing many of these threads recently, to maintain one's sincerity when responding, but after thinking about it just now, it is a legitimate question if your new to things.

The solution: Since it's a common question, it can be addressed in one thread. If I were mod, I would make a sticky asking for community feedback and research on what some of the pro's and con's of the most used software on the 3D board are.

The stickies in general: Yes, the list is quite long. While I haven't specifically read over what Lazarus has proposed, I do agree on the fact a few things could probably be combined or eliminated.

The solution: Like I said, I haven't looked over exactly what Lazarus proposed, but I imagine it would be something close.

Model request threads: In light of the recent flame war thread, I feel this issue needs to be addressed. Model request threads are as bad, if not even more so, than team request threads. At least with team request threads the poster has some motivation. Model request threads are like "Hey, I need a model. Can someone make it? Or where do I find it?"

The solution: It would have to be a really thought out, pleasant thread to read for me to consider leaving it open. If it were a paid job, I would definitely leave it open, but their aren't very many. Most just want to leech off of our abilities. If someone really does need a model, and doesn't own any 3D package or know anything about 3D in general, then I would encourage that person to seek out someone via the "Sketchbook" threads they consider good at what they do, and ask them directly via an e-mail, NOT by littering the person's Sketchbook thread. I am open to debate on this issue, as it's a fine line to walk.

Other thoughts:

Other than that, I would like to see some of the talent here step up and create a few tutorials that address frequent questions. We all complain about the same questions being asked, and to search, but have never really listened and met the need. I would ask everyone reading this thread to be conscience of the questions that are asked within the next month, and maybe put together a little tutorial on how to best fix the solution. I have a few in mind already that I would like to share.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 01:08
*throws in name...confundus charms Mod selection*

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Quote: "*throws in name...confundus charms Mod selection*"


Nice reference



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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 22:29 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 22:32
I disagree with a few things you are suggesting there Sid. I don't think Sketchbook threads work really. I think your work will have less chance of being viewed if it was in one massive cluttered thread than if it was in a standalone thread like they are now.

Also, it will be unlikely new users will follow the strict portfolio rules.


I think the Competitions need sorting out a tad. It would be nice to see an Award system in place (Much like the BOTB award, over at the FPSC forums), but the user only gets the Award next to his/her Avatar until the winner of the following competition is announced.

Also it would be nice to see the themes of the competition to follow on from each other.

Say for example:
1. Model and Texture a simple chair
2. Model and Texture a simple Desk
3. Model and Texture a Keyboard and Mouse
4. Model and Texture a Computer and Monitor... etc etc

So eventually the user has built himself a nice little scene.
It would also be nice if the models at the end of the compo were placed into a sticky, for the whole community to download and use in their projects.

As KeithC said, it would be nice to see this board outputting a load of content.


Perhaps it could also be possible to create a "To Do List". So if anybody does need a model making, they can post it into the thread and a modeler can fill out the request whenever he/she has the time or needs to practice.
The model would then become available to the whole community... It would be nice to have a large database of free media.

This would prevent the "Need Model" threads etc.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 22:44
I agree with Biggadd on the competition organization part, it seems to have been lacking a lot and if we would implement some sort of on going theme it might actually spring into action a bit more. Would also help the users learn quite a bit. Having one continuos theme for a couple of competitions with the users making different assets to a scene would probably be a rather good experience for some people on this forum.
The trophy/award idea is also probably rather good and really should be implemented, there really should be something more than just winning, people always want something.
To the stickies again, I think an update to the old ones are in order, as I mentioned before, the "Helpful Posts about 3D" thread could probably be updated with a few threads after these years and maybe become something that people would read a bit more often? I mean the fact that that and the "Great 3D Resource" thread answers most questions asked on this board is rather pathetic.
Maybe even a F.A.Q thread or something similar to the board where common questions are answered, just for that extra emphasis on searching.


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I agree with BiggAdd as well, I think if people had Sketchbooks they wouldn't be able to get as much feedback. ATM if I post a model thread I can easily get 20 or 30 replies in a couple days, and I feel like I wouldn't be able to get nearly as many if I were simply adding models to an exiting thread of mine. And also the award system for the 3D compos would be cool as well. (and I'm not just saying that because I won the last one. )

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 22:55 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 22:56
Quote: "I think your work will have less chance of being viewed if it was in one massive cluttered thread than if it was in a standalone thread like they are now.
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I agree.

Quote: "...but the user only gets the Award next to his/her Avatar until the winner of the following competition is announced"

One of the TGC Staff changes/gives the BOTB Award to people that I approve as being qualified for the "Best of the Best". I'm not sure he'd want to do it every month; but it would never hurt to ask. At the very least; we could get some award "badges" for certain artists now and then.

Quote: "It would also be nice if the models at the end of the compo were placed into a sticky, for the whole community to download and use in their projects."

Almost like a "Model of the Month"? That would benefit people for sure.

Quote: "Perhaps it could also be possible to create a "To Do List". So if anybody does need a model making, they can post it into the thread and a modeler can fill out the request whenever he/she has the time or needs to practice."

Sounds similar to the Sticky I made awhile back, about "Models and Media"; though it would be more general...versus FPSC-specific.

Quote: "... It would be nice to have a large database of free media."

Definitely.

Quote: "This would prevent the "Need Model" threads etc."

Lol; I don't think anything can ever prevent all of them.

All in all; some great (and proactive) ideas, BiggAdd. Looking forward to many more from you.

-Keith

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 23:12
One idea is that if we would sticky the "How to make a model thread" thread or make a similar one maybe some experienced users on this forum could make a few series of tutorials covering how to do different renderings and such (Clay renders, AO's, wireframe renders) in their application of choice, and then attach those tutorials to that post, which wouldn't give the people not posting proper threads any excuse left, and since everyone uses different software; say one uses Maya, one Max, one Cinema 4D and one Blender, we could make every tutorial rather universal so that most users on this board could enjoy them and learn how to make their model threads "proper".


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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 23:13 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 23:26
Quote: "One of the TGC Staff changes/gives the BOTB Award to people that I approve as being qualified for the "Best of the Best". I'm not sure he'd want to do it every month; but it would never hurt to ask. At the very least; we could get some award "badges" for certain artists now and then."

Perhaps it would be possible for the Mod to change the Award status. I'm not entirely sure how the system works... But definitely if that isn't feasible, a badge system would be great.
Something to hopefully gather more entries.

I did post this in the recent competition thread:

Which could be placed in the user's signature when they won.


Quote: "Sounds similar to the Sticky I made awhile back, about "Models and Media"; though it would be more general...versus FPSC-specific."

Yes similar to that, but with the first post being updated with the requests. Also the requests would be categorized by theme. For Example:

Weapons
MP40
Futuristic Weapon
AK47
Vehicles
Simple Cartoon Bike - Link to my game
Characters
Hero Model
German Soldier
Cartoon Rabbit
Textures
Seamless Wood Texture
Green Tile Texture
Speaker Model needs Texture
Misc
White Toilet
Wrist watch

etc etc.... Obviously the categories would be more defined. An Artist can then come along and choose an area he/she is most comfortable with and fill out a request. The Item will be then removed from the list and added to the database sticky. (Obviously the system would have to be fine tuned a little, as I'm sure there would be issues)

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Lol; I don't think anything can ever prevent all of them."

Good shout! Even regulars break obvious rules sometimes, suppose it would be daft to gun for total perfection!

Quote: "
All in all; some great (and proactive) ideas, BiggAdd. Looking forward to many more from you."

Cheers!

And thanks Alucard and Andrew! .

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 23:26 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 23:27
BiggAdd has taken to be the favourite lol



I would love to have not so much a request thread, but more of a topic based needs, such as scfi, modern, past, it would be very intresting, to see how it works out, I know of the fpsc model ideas thread but they where built around certain requirements that meant that it was impossible to 'satisfy' thier needs.

Although youll need some guidelines such as a piece of concept art, or a design sketch some sort of reference when posting. just to keep the idiots at bay, and to stop the2 I want a triple barreled sub-machine gun with auto loader and a single grenade launcher that sits underneath the main barrel and with-
Ohh my- brb-

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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 23:35 Edited at: 22nd Apr 2009 23:35
Quote: "I would love to have not so much a request thread, but more of a topic based needs, such as scfi, modern, past, it would be very intresting, to see how it works out, I know of the fpsc model ideas thread but they where built around certain requirements that meant that it was impossible to 'satisfy' thier needs.

Although youll need some guidelines such as a piece of concept art, or a design sketch some sort of reference when posting. just to keep the idiots at bay, and to stop the2 I want a triple barreled sub-machine gun with auto loader and a single grenade launcher that sits underneath the main barrel and with-
Ohh my- brb-"

Heh! Just Edited as you posted. Yeh that's the sort of thing I'm suggesting. All the artist would look at is the list of models needed. There will be no pressure to fill out a request and if they are unable to texture or finish, somebody else could take over. Instead of an immediate model building service, this would hopefully slowly increase the selection of models available to the community.
Not all requests will be filled out, but over the years it should hopefully build up an impressive collection.
Obviously as more media becomes available, people might not need to add to the list anymore as the desired model is already in the database.

Quote: "BiggAdd has taken to be the favourite lol "

Heh, I don't know about that! I'm just throwing a few ideas round.

Its quite possible to turn this board into a productive environment. The Dark Basic boards have a Massive code base and a quite popular competition, there is no reason why the 3D Chat section should be any different.



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Posted: 20th Apr 2009 23:41 Edited at: 20th Apr 2009 23:49
Quote: "Its quite possible to turn this board into a productive environment. The Dark Basic boards have a Massive code base and a quite popular competition, there is no reason why the 3D Chat section should be any different."



too true

just as a mock up for anyone


nah ill make it some time later lol if you want though go for it

btw i have a 2-3 base model output a day on weekends, well saturday past 1:00, If we had a list then we'ed probably be asking for model request threads by the time were done.

cheers cb

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Having a models and media and request thread is a good idea so as long as people keep it going and it does'nt get auto locked like the one that is already there. Maybe there should'nt be an auto lock for that type of thread, Incase there is a span where noone posts in it.
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couldn't you make a bot/macro post every nth day before the thread lock date. It would help alot, I only know basic macro code so this is out of my league.

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Quote: "I agree with BiggAdd as well, I think if people had Sketchbooks they wouldn't be able to get as much feedback. ATM if I post a model thread I can easily get 20 or 30 replies in a couple days, and I feel like I wouldn't be able to get nearly as many if I were simply adding models to an exiting thread of mine."


Making models and updating your sketchbook isn't a popularity contest. Granted there are often good models that deserve attention, their are often mediocre models that are like... why did you have to create a separate thread for this? I completely disagree that if we implement this system your thread won't get viewed a whole heck of a lot. It would be the same thing! Where else would people go to view models? Do people click on threads now? Yes... would people click on threads then? Yes! In fact, I think it would be viewed MORE because it would peak someone's interest on what has been updated instead of passing over the generic, boring, "gun model" thread title. I can't tell you how many of those I have skipped over.

Quote: "I don't think Sketchbook threads work really. I think your work will have less chance of being viewed if it was in one massive cluttered thread than if it was in a standalone thread like they are now."


http://www.conceptart.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=41
http://boards.polycount.net/forumdisplay.php?f=53

Both of these sites have a working sketchbook system, and those are just some I thought off the top of my head.

It being massive and cluttered: I can see how it could potentially become massive, but I disagree about it being cluttered.

Solution: Too big of a thread? Create a new portfolio thread and link it back to the old one for good times sake. It wouldn't be hard.

Too cluttered? Well, my plan for having the sketchbook threads is not to simply have a new post in your sketchbook thread every time you make a new model, but to edit your first post. That way all your work is right there up at the top and people can comment on certain items down below. Problem solved.

I'm actually surprised from the response from this. This has been something that has been complained about time and time again, and when a neat, viable solution is thought of, it's like nah, we don't need it? I guess I'm at a loss for exactly how to reapproach the problem. If anyone has any ideas, I'm open to hearing them.

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i think the best way to do this is for the new mod to have a brainstorming thred as his first post asking for ideas. after a set time a voting thred would be opened ,from that a basic format could be decided & put into place .

well thats how i would do it if i get the job .

cheers henry

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The problem is though, the 3D Board isn't Deviant Art. People generally post their work for criticism and some praise.

It will be a lot faster for the people viewing the work and giving out some advice, if each model was in its own thread.

Imagine in a month from now... People will have dozens of images on the first page and undoubtedly a lot of posts in the thread. It will take a while to sift through to find what you are looking for. Also it will be a bit cluttered because the responses will be all over the place.
Somebody will be talking about one model they like and others will be commenting on different things.

You will also find that not everybody will follow the rules, which will create problems with moderating. Their threads will have to be locked and they might get a tad deterred from returning.

Somebody coming in (Especially if they are new to the board or modeling) and showing off their work is an incredibly exciting experience for them. Simply because they will want to be praised for their work. Shunning them and making them abide by strict rules when they come to show off will probably be a tad upsetting.

I can imagine it works fine in most places, but I don't think it will work here. The links which you showed seem to have a much older (on average) user base.
The forums you linked to have a place to post sketchbooks and a place to post individual works. If we had dozens of sketchbook threads and then some individual threads, I think it would become even more messy.

It would be nice if we could convince more and more users to come in and try modeling for themselves.

Sorry to argue with you here Sid (Considering KeithC explicitly told us not to! ), its nothing against you... But I just can't see it working on this board.


Besides, the board doesn't seem that cluttered.



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Quote: "Perhaps it could also be possible to create a "To Do List". So if anybody does need a model making, they can post it into the thread and a modeler can fill out the request whenever he/she has the time or needs to practice."


This is an idea I would love to see. Often I've wanted to practice some modelling, but lacked ideas and/or not wanted to create something just for the sake of creating it. I have seen the FPSC thread, but I know next to nothing about FPSC-readying models, so I can't really help there.

It would need someone, probably the mod or whoever posted it, to organize it and make sure all the requests are written and tracked in the first post. That's another problem with the FPSC thread - I never know what's been done already or what someone is currently working on, or if the poster even still needs the model.



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I like the idea of a personal sketch book, It makes sense to be able to place all your work in one location rather than having a new thread for every single thing you create. this is a good idea for those who like to share their models.
I'm sure there are alot of people who don't even know that I have posted 4 cars for grabs in the past and are still here in a thread burried deap in the past. Fact is, it is there for people to grab but if there burried noone will ever know of them. Which is why it is a good idea also to have the models and media thread as already mentioned. But for either of the sketchbook and models/media type threads, I still say they should be left without an autolock to them.

(edit) Thinking more on this, I would think that if a person does make a sketchbook, it would be best to leave it for complete works. Or just plane stuff that the creator considers to be finished. As for stuff that the creator is looking for real criticism on such as topics like "how can I make my model better". I think these should be kept seperate and indivdual as BiggAdd suggested. this way sketchbooks are left somewhat cleaner just for the artist to show and share their work and of course maybe except a little crit or praising. Just a thought.
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Quote: "Thinking more on this, I would think that if a person does make a sketchbook, it would be best to leave it for complete works. Or just plane stuff that the creator considers to be finished. As for stuff that the creator is looking for real criticism on such as topics like "how can I make my model better". I think these should be kept seperate and indivdual as BiggAdd suggested."


BiggAdd: I think Tatt's solution here is genius! Using his model, read the following.

Quote: "The problem is though, the 3D Board isn't Deviant Art. People generally post their work for criticism and some praise."


I don't see the comparison either, but at least everyone's works are under one location. By using a sketchbook thread, at least in the way Tatt's describes, fixes the issue of having people's completes works in one spot.

People could still post their WIP's in separate threads, get help, C&C, what have you. But then when their work is complete, post it in their sketchbook thread for final C&C, praise, self-promotion, ect. One thing I would like to see in the future here is the ability to review everyone's work in one central location. To see everyone's work now would require diving through dozens of threads. Also, with the final pieces in a sketchbook thread, we as a community could possibly be more helpful in our C&C after viewing someone's progress right in front of us.


Quote: "It will be a lot faster for the people viewing the work and giving out some advice, if each model was in its own thread.

Imagine in a month from now... People will have dozens of images on the first page and undoubtedly a lot of posts in the thread. It will take a while to sift through to find what you are looking for. Also it will be a bit cluttered because the responses will be all over the place.
Somebody will be talking about one model they like and others will be commenting on different things."


Opening up different threads would be faster? I'd have to disagree. And sifting through what exactly to find what someone is looking for? Well, what that person be looking for... an image? They are all in the first post! A particular comment or critique? Ctrl+F and type something in!

As far as the talking about different models goes, one could simply put in bold the title of the image and then continue with their comment.

Quote: "You will also find that not everybody will follow the rules, which will create problems with moderating. Their threads will have to be locked and they might get a tad deterred from returning."


If there is anything I really think you have me on here, it's this. Yes, not everyone follows the rules, but is that any excuse for not organizing the board better? I mean come on... team request threads are locked, and only the new people need a gentle reminder now and again. The problem with enforcing this new rule would be actually enforcing it. We would need to be strict about it and keep to our word. For those who break it, we wouldn't automatically lock the thread, but help them understand why we have the system we do. Sure, my idea seems frail when you phrase it the way you did, but it's practical. Not perfect, but practical. Especially if you think about Tatt's contribution to the idea.

Quote: "I can imagine it works fine in most places, but I don't think it will work here. The links which you showed seem to have a much older (on average) user base.
The forums you linked to have a place to post sketchbooks and a place to post individual works. If we had dozens of sketchbook threads and then some individual threads, I think it would become even more messy."


This is true, other places have an older user base. I don't think it's outside of a 13 year old's understanding to put their final work in one thread though. Kids are learning geometry and algebra at that age. They can't pick up their socks, but they should know which bin to put them in at least!

I don't think it would be messy at all, and it would reward those who do continually pump out new models. Their sketchbook would be near the top from posting so frequently, and it could even be a competitive lure to those wanting to get noticed.

Your idea means no clean up... my idea (and tatts) is to have a thread for finalized pieces. Tell me now which one sounds less messy

Quote: "Sorry to argue with you here Sid (Considering KeithC explicitly told us not to! ), its nothing against you "


Nah, I don't take it personally. It's cool. I totally didn't think about some of the stuff mentioned until you and Tatts did. I don't claim to have the fix! I am willing to listen though. I think Keith meant that about less constructive arguments like "No, I want to be Mod", "NO, you suck!", "No, you suck!", lol. This is just good old fashioned discussion!

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Why not mix the two ideas? Make sketchbooks active but make it so that you have to have some sort of coherent theme to them, so if one person makes a couple of sci fi models they could all be in that same thread but in case they wanted to make more fantasy style model or two they could stick it into another thread. Would help the organization of this board and not make the entire thing all too hard to navigate.
Although I don't really think all this discussion on this topic is necessary at the moment, seeing as there really only are about one or two people on this board who tends to clutter it and such, I'd suggest focusing more on the rule-refining and general locking/slapping disciplines, as they are much more active on this board right now.

Yes this board is more or less filled with kids these days but honestly, kids learn very fast, trust me. We can have discipline and maturity here if we would want to, we just need to put some heart into it. When the mod is elected the first thing should really be the rule-refining and maybe also posting as someone said, an open thread for discussion on what changes should occur to this board to make it more proper. People could suggest an idea and if it's a good one we could add it.
I don't see why we should make a definite line that makes us something other than the other forums like polycount and gameartisans etc, personally I believe that even if our community is more directed to the younger audience we really could make this just as good as those boards. Just need to teach people some manners and such.

As I mentioned before having a set of rules on this board on both general posting and how to post a model critique/showcase thread with attached tutorials on how to do things in most softwares would really help newer users to this board post properly.

If we can more or less abolish things like model requests, as we barely have any of them at the moment, why can't we simply teach people to make correct threads?
A open free model thread would probably help bring more attention to us quite a bit, as there are a lot of people in this forum who actually does give out their stuff for free, and if we could make an organized thread with links to the downloads it would help both us and most of the people who focus more on DBP and game development. We could organize it into DBP/FPSC ready models and Non-game-ready models and for the ones that aren't actually ready we could reference to one of the many tutorials that lurk around here on how to actually make them ready.

These discussions I think really are useful to this board, and just the fact that this thread has brought back some people I thought had left forever and actually made them start to post again is quite excellent. Maybe we can make this as proper as it was a while back.


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Quote: "Although I don't really think all this discussion on this topic is necessary at the moment. I'd suggest focusing more on the rule-refining and general locking/slapping disciplines, as they are much more active on this board right now."


I actually think this discussion is very useful, to me it's a good start for whatever one of you'se are going to be taking over. I mean, it will give you'se some good ideas before hand so your not walking into this completely blind. And it is getting everybody talking here which I think is great.

I do however agree that there should be rules, every forum has to have them. But i really do not think that disciplining someone for making a request thread is the right thing to do.
The main idea here is to attract people to a friendly forum and not scare them away.
The problem I think this forum ever had is that when people did make a silly thread, others tend to jump in and beat em up for it. and of course when things did get out of hand there was no mod around to simply lock it.
Request threads will never go away, it would be best to just have an always updated sticky thread just for this. this way people can post all the requests they want, and if others decide to go into this thread and fullfill some of the requests, will be entirely up to them.
I think the rules should mainly apply to the norm like, language/porn/bashing and fighting things like that. people will always post silly threads, there is no way to get around them, and request threads to me are no more silly than threads like " which editor is better". I think it is up to the more mature people here (people who were here for awhile)to simply just ignore the thread and allow it to pass rather than jump in and beat the poster up. loL Maybe after a few days without a comment it might get them to read through the rules and thus problem solved.

I do think a model base is a good idea and to keep it sorted is even better. But the idea of a sketchbook I think is more personal and is a better idea. It allows the thread to be exclusively to the user who posted it and to keep all his stuff together is a great idea. One of the main problems with a model base is that after downloading a bunch of models from a number of different creators, It may get a little confusing for the person when it come to giving credits as some people expect it and others don't, and I find that most people name that credit file "READ ME" and well one always gets deleted when you are opening a ton of files that all have the same text file. allowing people to create their own sketch book for their media is good cause then they can also post what they expect to see as far as credits go, if they require any at all.
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Quote: "I don't think anyone wants a thread which just says "i made this new modell here its cool i think" with a single non-wireframe shot in it."


Like most of my threads, right?

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Quote: "I think Keith meant that about less constructive arguments like "No, I want to be Mod", "NO, you suck!", "No, you suck!", lol. This is just good old fashioned discussion!"

Yes; that's what I meant when I said that.

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I think the sketchbook idea is pretty good, but not as forum threads, that would give little benefit IMO. What would be great is if the sketchbook, showcase, or whatever you want to call it was available as a link, so anyone who wants one can start a sketchbook. All we'd need is a picture upload, space to include details and a thread link, and maybe feature for people to add comments. Kinda like the gallery, but more personal and more space to add details.

We've been promised this sort of feature for years, I'd certainly use it as a showcase and download link for my games and stuff. One other aspect is the TGC store - modellers who sell wares via the store could have direct links from their showcase. This way, if you spot someones work that you like, you could check it all out right away and maybe even buy some.


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I like the idea also: I've actually been naggin at a certain website admin to see what they think simply because I want this sort of feature somewhere...

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Oh I didn't mean violently forcing people to obey. I just meant that people need to learn what they should and should not post, and how to post it.


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Mayby make a sub-forum for this?
Just to keep them seperate then you would be able to keep the exsiting system in place while having a link to the subforum,

so when you load this up,





it would require a new mod or even a user decided mod like now, just a suggestion. A backwards posting system would be nice thier so you can see the newest post without husteling through uploads. You could probably include this for 2d design although i wouldn't reccomend it since they smell... =)

It probably would become a mini deviant art then -_-

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We'd like to thank everyone for showing interest in this. There is obviously some great talent here...what's more, some of that talent is willing to donate their time (away from development) in order to help out the 3D Chat Community by Moderating this Board.

Like I said, it's not going to be easy, but it is fulfilling. A number of you would have made (and may someday) a great Moderator for this section. As such, the choice was difficult. The Moderators have discussed it amongst themselves, and with the go-ahead from Lee....

We'd like to offer the position of 3 Dimensional Chat Moderator to...

...BiggAdd

If you choose to accept this offer, please indicate so in this thread (and/or e-mail me). Thanks again for the many who stepped up to volunteer their time and expertise.

-The TGC Mod Squad

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Congrats BiggAdd
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Wow! Excellent news!
Thanks ever so much... I accept!
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Congrats BiggAdd"


Cheers!

I guess I'll have to get cracking on those ideas then. I'll send you an email as well Keith.


Cheers,
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I've sent off your confirmation to Lee and Rick. Congratulations again! Now I can go back to my hole that is the Realm of FPSC!

-Keith

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Thanks again KeithC for all your hard work! Especially considering you moderate the FPSC Forums!


Cheers,
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No problem. You should really thank Sid for bringing this to my attention in the first place. To think it all started with a disagreement about the viability of using Sketchup for game media creation! LOL...

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Quote: "No problem. You should really thank Sid for bringing this to my attention in the first place. To think it all started with a disagreement about the viability of using Sketchup for game media creation! LOL..."

Hehe! Good shout.

Thanks to Sid and all those who offered their support.

I will most likely create a suggestions thread after I've learned the ways of the Mods.

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Yep; it's all up to you in how you handle the Board here. It'll have it's ups and downs (and take some time)...but I'm sure you'll figure it out.

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Congrats

I knew I was out gunned when you started in with your wisdom Plus, I think the history of my posts around the forums tend to show a sarcastic, mean side of me of sometimes... This probably hurt me when the mods all discussed this. Your a great guy BiggAdd! Cool, calm, collected and have obvious talent. I think I've told you this once before, but if your not doing design work somewhere, you need to quit your job and get into it!

Well, hopefully we can still work together and help make the 3D board a better place. That goes for all of us! We all have some great ideas, and whether or not BiggAdd implements any of them is up to him. But regardless, this thread has shown that we all have some level of energy and passion for this board. Let's give BiggAdd our support and help the 3D board move forward.

Remember, with great power comes great responsibility! Oh, and don't forget to polish your mod badge once in a while

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Thank you for the thank you! It was an honor to be the catalyst for change.

Keith, you've done a great job holding down the fort! Stop by the 3D Board once in a while

Quote: "To think it all started with a disagreement about the viability of using Sketchup for game media creation!"


Lol. Nah, well... I guess sort of. I had been thinking about it for a while. Alucard and I both actually. We had a few emails between us talking about the board and our vision for it. Ironic how our idea landed neither of us the position LOL. But all is good, BiggAdd is definitely better suited to do the job It really became apparent we needed another mod when that one flame war erupted and went unnoticed for three, four days. I think that's when this thread showed up.



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seen the news a minite ago so i put the final touchs on this for you, just couldn't find that gold sig of yours, thiers so many!!!



Have fun mate, i guess change is in the wind...

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Quote: "Keith, you've done a great job holding down the fort! Stop by the 3D Board once in a while"

One of these days I'll strike a better balance of Moderation and Development. I think the last thing I actually made was this watch (after following a tutorial) in Lightwave. When I do; I'll throw it up here for some help and criticism.

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Ha! That's fantastic Lazerus! Thanks very much.

Quote: "just couldn't find that gold sig of yours, thiers so many!!!"

Indeed there are! Its quite an obsession of mine to create sigs.
Most of which I haven't even uploaded!



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Good going BiggAdd, personally I'm just happy you've started posting in/visiting this board again.


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