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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 06:23 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 06:46
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I am wondering what you all think is a very good processor and video card, what you guys have, and what you guys want. Right now i only have AMD Phenom(tm) 8450 triple core processor 2.10GHz
(I cant find where to find my video card)
4.00 GB ram.

And what I want is:
PNY XLR8 GeForce 9800 GT EE 1GB DDR3 PCI-E Video Card or GeForce GTX 470 1280MB or ATI Radeon HD5870
AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz Quad Core CPU or Intel's Core i7-980X processor

Anyway I was just reading online and the CyberPower PC Black Pearl looks amazing (if only I had the money).

I have a few questions by the way:
I have a 32-bit computer (im pretty sure) could I fit 6GB DDR3 1600 or GeForce GTX 470 1280MB or AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz Quad Core CPU or something?

How do you change a computer from a 32 bit to a 64 and how much is something like windows 7 64?

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A 32bit computer only supports up to 3.5 GB of RAM, sure you could put the rest in, but I heard somewhere ( don't know if it's true ) that it runs slower when you put to much RAM in it.

And on the processor, I would go AMD 965, I got a 955 and thinking of OC, almost everybody clocks them to 4.0 ghz

And how do you change a computer from 32->64 bit: Delete windows XP and install Windows7 64 bit ( HP retail=160 euro's )

And I would say go for the 470, but make sure you got good airflow . you don't want to be baking eggs on your pc.
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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 17:42 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 17:50
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The X4 you chose is a sweet choice, but definitely get a graphics card to match the Processor, to make sure It won't bottleneck you're computer performance. I wouldn't suggest an Intel Processor if you're on a budget
Remember, your motherboard is built for a certain processor brand, If you're swapping processor brands, you'll need a new motherboard

EDIT: Why are you deciding between a 9800GT OR a 470? theres no comparison. Bear in mind the 480/470 chipsets had power and heat problems, I have a Gigabyte GTX460 which is super cool and plentiful for just about any game. I would suggest that!

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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 20:30 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 20:38
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how do I find out my graphics card and mobo??
And I only have $700 canadian to spend, (200 me, 500 from a quad my dads selling)
So I was thinking

this

and

this

but im probally gonna need this too, does that come with 64-bit??

but if I get all that I may need a new cooling fan for under $100, how do I find out what cooling fan I have?

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windows now a days comes with a 32 and 64 bit version, so you don't have to worry

And get the GTX 460, because anything lower than that will kinda put your 3.4 ghz quad out of use, since the GPU will be the bottleneck ( and it will be way below the CPU )

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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 21:14 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 21:16
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ok 700CAD, is about 430GBP (My currency)
I'll be showing you UK sites, but use google shopping and it will give a good selection of sellers where you live

Graphics card:
The 470 has heat problems (not huge but still noticeable) so I would suggest the GIGABYTE GTX 460. It's got a great cooling system which leaves great room for overclocking without too much additional cooling (If you want to). MAKE SURE YOU GET THE 1GB

you probably don't need to pay more than pay more than $310 for it, (thats a direct currency swap so it might be cheaper) and its wayyyy better than the 9800GT

Processor:
Thats good, I'd stick to that

Power Supply:
Make sure you're power supply is about 650W, you're looking at about $110 for an excellent one


Together,
310
210
130

650 for the graphics card, processor, and windows

However, The recommended RAM levels for High level gaming in windows 8 is 6-16GB ram. The higher level of this isn't even really available to gamers.
You may want to stick to XP, as with 4GB on Win7, you may be using more RAM on Idle than the 500MB you lose on 32-bit XP

that would also give you room to improve your power supply if you need to

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I have vista 32 bit.
so I should get

Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 460 Graphics Card
AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz Quad Core CPU

and I still would like to know how to find out my mobo and video card to find if its better / even compadible with my computer.

Also how to find my power supply.

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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 21:30 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 21:30
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If you tell me what your mobo is I can tell you

If you don't know, download piriform speccy and it will tell you

or take a photo of your motherboard, preferably a closeup of the graphics card and slot (see attached)

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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 21:32 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 22:10
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aha found the graphics card, I have
NVIDIA Geforce 8200, so is the graphics card im thinking of getting better?
and for mobo I downloaded AIDA32 and it says it has an unknown name, should I take my computer apart and check? how hard is it? will it hurt anything? I looked at a youtube vid of how to change graphics and processor so I know how to get it open.

EDIT: got it open, just cleaned the fan (not in the pics, cleaned after)
Anyway hope you can get something...









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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 22:11 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 22:12
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either your choice or my suggestion should work, just make sure your computer has a free expansion slot next to the graphics card one (It almost certainly will)

Get Speccy, that should tell you what motherboard you have

(Sorry, I couldn't tell anything from your photos, they were unfocused)

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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 22:18 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 22:22
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downloading... will get back to you

so uh, this is compadible with 32-bit?
Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 460 Graphics Card
AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz Quad Core CPU

and with that + 4.00GB ram could my cpu run something like CoD or Crysis on med-max?

SPECS (can I use all that above?)
Operating System
MS Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP2
CPU
AMD Phenom X3 8450 28 °C
Toliman 65nm Technology
RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 333MHz (5-5-5-15)
Motherboard
Acer WMCP78M (Socket AM2 )
Graphics
X223W @ 1680x1050
256MB GeForce 8200 (Acer Incorporated [ALI])
Hard Drives
625GB Western Digital WDC WD64 00AAKS-22A7B SCSI Disk Device (IDE)
Optical Drives
ATAPI DVD A DH16A6S SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio



more info on mobo:
Manufacturer Acer
Model WMCP78M
Chipset Vendor NVIDIA
Chipset Model nForce 720a
Chipset Revision A2
Southbridge Vendor NVIDIA
Southbridge Model ID075C
Southbridge Revision A2
BIOS
Brand Phoenix Technologies, LTD
Version R01-B0
Date 01/16/2009

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Posted: 19th Sep 2010 23:56 Edited at: 19th Sep 2010 23:57
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Yeah, the graphics card is compatible

but I think the best processor for your motherboard is the AMD Phenom X4 9850
(The Phenom II Processors have a different socket which isn't compatible)

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Posted: 20th Sep 2010 00:15 Edited at: 20th Sep 2010 00:19
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so something like
this
but not used
and then
Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 460 Graphics Card (like this)?
Will I need a better fan to prevent overheating?
Could that run most games on max or medium with steady FPS?
If I get those I will still have about $100-$200, any idea what else or nothing?

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the link I gave you was canadian, it has a comparison, starts at $80, and most AMD Processors come with a heat sink

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ok thanks, now just

Quote: "Could that run most games on max or medium with steady FPS?
If I get those I will still have about $100-$200, any idea what else or nothing?"


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Your computer's case is tiny. A good graphics card will be too large to fit in there. You'll need to replace the case. According to Acer's site, you have a 220 watt power supply. You'll need to replace that as well.
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The truth is,half of your pc needs replacement. First off,too tiny case,there is no way you will be able to stick a GTX460 in there normally. Then the PSU is too weak. The CPU fits on the motherboard BUT it will run at slightly lower speed and the crappy motherboard might give problems.

Ocho Geek: Actually AM2+ motherboards and AM3 processors fit together,just the crappy motherboard might give problems.


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aah,

Your computer looks like you bought it ready made, so yeah, I would either look into buying another ready made computer

or you can start the path of enlightment , and start building your own computer.
I would suggest extending your budget somewhat, and come back and I'll help you as much as you need

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Posted: 21st Sep 2010 00:32 Edited at: 21st Sep 2010 00:32
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Oh never mind, you can get everything you need for 505, but I forgot to include windows, probably go for XP, you won't be missing out much by not getting Windows 7

There was a lot of info, so I word processed it, see attached

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what?? I don't have enough money to build a new computer, If the case wont fit the graphics I wont use half the case, will it run faster than it does right now with

Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 460 Graphics Card
AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz Quad Core CPU

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ofcourse, the fact is that you ( like me 6 years ago ) bought a computer with almost no upgrade possibilities.

What I would recommend you is save just a little longer, and buy a future proof PC ( I'm not talking about a 900 euro PC. Just a new case and PSU would work in your case ) since this case is kinda dead ( old mobo, GPU's becoming larger bythe minute etc. )

I'm super serial you know, don't buy a PC that in 3 years needs a full replacement again, but buy that what will go on for the next 6-10 years ( exept the GPU, they get outdated the moment you buy them )
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you said your budget was $700, I got you a full computer for $505

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I am buying something simmilar to Ocho Geeks setup. Athlon X3 and then I'm going to unlock the 4th core or atleast L3 cache so I will have a Phenom.


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An athlons an athlon, even if its an X3, start with a phenom II X3 if you want a quad core phenom

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Ok, well I won't upgrade right now, I guess i'll save my moneyz

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Quote: "I only have $700 canadian to spend"


I got you the full machine for way less...

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Yes, but is it better than the computer I have right now when only using $700$

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yes its better,

the price includes everything but windows I think, personally I would get a copy of XP if your planning on doing much gaming

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Posted: 23rd Sep 2010 00:39 Edited at: 23rd Sep 2010 00:39
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Quote: "yes its better,"

better as in better:
processor
grapics
ram
overall speed
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^ Yes, what else?


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woah so I have to make my own computer?? And it WILL be faster than the one I have now? can I use my own moniter, and some of the stuff from this computer if im making a new one?

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Well, I don't think so, the PSU needs replacement, and since you are switching CPU generation, a new motherboard is also needed. I would just start with a new fresh computer and make sure some parts are good to go for quite some time ( case, PSU, buy AM3 mobo, DDR3 RAM, maybe multiple GPU slots etc. )

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The monitor will work, if its an old anolouge screen you'll get an anologue-digital converter with the graphics card

I included a motherboard in the PDF, and everything will be faster. The RAM is still 4GB, but DDR3 means the speed will be a lot quicker

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DDR2 and 3 difference is about 15% so no huge speedups there.


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Ok, ive decided to build one if it's ok with my parents, so this is what I need (I need a report if its faster than the computer I have now and if it's all compatible with each other)

Thermaltake Purepower ATX 12V 2.0 600W Power Supply
517B Mid Tower Case with 350W
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
Will probally use the memory I have now (whats it look like in the case?)
AMD Athlon II X4 640
Gigabyte GTS 450 OC (or a 460)

Is EVERYTHING there better compared to everything I have now?

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Quote: "517B Mid Tower Case with 350W"


You might be able to find a cheaper case that doesn't come with a psu, as you're buying one anyway.

And the board uses ddr3 RAM, but you have DDR2 (right?).
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Quote: "You might be able to find a cheaper case that doesn't come with a psu, as you're buying one anyway."

I dont know, anyway whats the 350W mean? im getting a 600W power, is it compatible?

Quote: "And the board uses ddr3 RAM, but you have DDR2 (right?). "

yeah i do 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 333MHz (5-5-5-15).
Why, is it not compatible? if not can you reccomend me another?

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Quote: "I dont know, anyway whats the 350W mean? im getting a 600W power, is it compatible?
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You're getting a 350 Watt with the case and a 600 Watt by itself. You only need one. So I'm saying you might wanna spend the money your using on the case and psu that comes with it on a better case without a psu.

Quote: "yeah i do 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 333MHz (5-5-5-15).
Why, is it not compatible? if not can you reccomend me another?"


333mhz is pretty slow, AND ddr2 will not fit into ddr3 slots.
On newegg, this stuff is on sale:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145285&cm_sp=ProductSpotlight-_-20-145-285-_-09232010
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Quote: "On newegg, this stuff is on sale: "

I plan on buying on bestbuy or in a city, not really anywhere else. Can you reccomend me a specific RAM and case?? Also is that all I need to change (the ram and case? the proc, graphics, etc are all fine?)

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For the GPU get a GTX460,for the RAM,most are good.


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Quote: "I plan on buying on bestbuy or in a city, not really anywhere else. Can you reccomend me a specific RAM and case?? Also is that all I need to change (the ram and case? the proc, graphics, etc are all fine?)"


If you're going to buy locally it'll negate any money you would save. That said, buying locally is nice, I'd recommend having a small computer store price out a rig for you, bearing in mind they'll probably just buy all the parts on newegg, you'll get the satisfaction of supporting your local business and you can deal locally. I recommend against buying from Best Buy as they treat their employees and customers poorly and their individual components are about 2 to 3 times that of newegg.com.

If you go online to save (a boatload of) cash, buy on newegg.com as they are fast and have decent customer service (not great, but the price is worth dealing with them).

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Thermaltake Purepower ATX 12V 2.0 600W Power Supply
Fine

517B Mid Tower Case with 350W
yeah, get a case which says /w PSU (without PSU)

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P
Fine

Will probally use the memory I have now (whats it look like in the case?)
You can't as said, Im willing to believe their right, you need DDR3 memory, I would suggest sticking to 4GB but going for a corsair Dominator or Dominator GT

AMD Athlon II X4 640
consider a better one, a black edition will help to blow your mind but thats fine if its what you want to spend

Gigabyte GTS 450 OC (or a 460)
I would go for the GTX 460, worth it, as you get a great chunk more performance and my personal reccomendation

You can take Your hard drives and peripherals from your old computer

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Posted: 25th Sep 2010 05:12 Edited at: 25th Sep 2010 05:27
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So what im thinking and getting:

Thermaltake Purepower ATX 12V 2.0 600W Power Supply

Get a case WITHOUT a PSU

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P

AMD Athlon II X4 640

Gigabyte GTS 450 OC

Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module

Cooler Master CM690 Nvidia Ed. ATX Case SLI Ready

4 quick questions:
1)Are ALL compatible %100
2)Is it all under $750 Canadian
3)Is it overall good and fast? Anything that could be upgraded without a major hit to the price?
4)Will it overheat? Will I need to get another fan (the Nvidia case can hold up to 6, but im hoping I won't have to buy more)

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Tasty case

Yeah, it gets my seal of approval, you need to do pricechecking yourself, Personally I would upgrade the processor and graphics card.

to a GTX460 and a PHENOM X4 9-- (number is 900+)
Don't bother with an athlon, phenoms are better

Check with some know-it-alls to see if its compatible, I reckon it is though

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So what im thinking and getting:

Thermaltake Purepower ATX 12V 2.0 600W Power Supply

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P

AMD Phenom X4 9850 Black Edition Quad Core Processor Socket AM2 2.5GHZ 4MB Cache 125W Retail Box

GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 460 1GB OC Video Card

Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module

Cooler Master CM690 Nvidia Ed. ATX Case SLI Ready

=

$50-$100 - power supply
$80 - mobo
$200 - processor
$225 - graphics
$220 - memory
$80 - case
________________
$880

but if I get a Gigabyte GeForce GTS 450 OC I can get it down to $795

So is the AMD Phenom X4 9850 Black Edition Quad Core Processor Socket AM2 2.5GHZ 4MB Cache 125W Retail Box faster and better than AMD Athlon II X4 640??
Is all of that above compatible also?

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Isocadia
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Honestly, I really think you should consider buying a AMD 965, because AM2/AM2+ is getting seriously outdated, buy AM3 and you can go on for the next couple of years And for a case, I recommend the Antec 902. The rest is really good And the rest is probably compatible. But if you really want to be sure do some research.
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@Isocadia I am already over my budget and may need to get my parents to spend about $50 so is what I have good enough:
Thermaltake Purepower ATX 12V 2.0 600W Power Supply

Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P

AMD Phenom X4 9850 Black Edition Quad Core Processor Socket AM2 2.5GHZ 4MB Cache 125W Retail Box

Gigabyte GeForce GTS 450 OC I can get it down to $795

Corsair Dominator 4GB DDR3 SDRAM Memory Module

Cooler Master CM690 Nvidia Ed. ATX Case SLI Ready

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Posted: 25th Sep 2010 16:32 Edited at: 25th Sep 2010 16:32
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Quote: "$200 - processor"


Where are you spending 200 bucks on this? It's on newegg, here, for ~70 USD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103286&cm_re=phenom_x4_9850-_-19-103-286-_-Product

There's no heatsink included though, but even if you bought one for 60 dollars, you'd still be saving money.

And also, if you're spending 200 dollars on the x4 am2 version and you have an am3 motherboard, you might as well go with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=phenom_x4-_-19-103-808-_-Product

Which would be cheaper.
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If you won't be overclocking,don't be stupid and buy the Black Edition CPU. Just buy an ordinary Phenom X4,saves money.


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Posted: 25th Sep 2010 17:26 Edited at: 25th Sep 2010 17:27
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does this come with heatsink? what is heatsink anyway?
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
also nobodys really answered if it's all compatible...

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