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Paradox452
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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 03:18
Hey, guys.
Take a look at this!

On November 16th, Congress holds hearings on the first American Internet censorship system. This bill can pass. If it does, the Internet and free speech will never be the same.



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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 03:42
Huh, if i rememebr right i made a similar thread about a year ago. They wont give up will they?

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 04:23
Another example of the American government siding with private corporations and ignoring the people. We're all doomed (and I don't even live in the USA).

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 05:37
It's nice to see money taking precedence over everything else as usual.



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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 06:15
The internet is always at risk because it's so under-regulated. Thus so far they have failed and if the majority continues to oppose it, even if it passes briefly, it will ultimately go away again.

Or maybe I'm a hopeless optimist?

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 06:22
Unfortunately, because the Australia is a sheep to America, Australia will most likely follow on the decision. If it does, "occupy parliament" is a go.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 07:14
I'm against this bill because it's going about it in a wrong way. That being said, if you need to infringe on someone else's work to accomplish free speech and innovation, then you are doing something wrong.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 07:20
You know it's ironic. I've been saying for years that the internet will one day be censored and policed and that freedom of speech will be considered "hate speech" "inciting a riot/coup" "criminjuria"(?spelling) etc. Me and a friend got into a heated debate about this a few times and he swears blind it'll never happen. Well once it hits American soil the world will follow (Australia isn't the only of the US's sheep). I'm gonna spread that link like a virus and I hope that IF this bill does get passed that their is a massive GLOBAL uprising (heh bad coding joke x 2). Im sick of freedom of speech being taken away. You know they tried to pass a law to allow government to gag the press and prosecute whistle-blowers where I live (RSA)? They called it "The Protection of Information Bill" and worded it so ambigously that ANYTHING could've been deemed "sensitive information". China and Burma, I don't even wanna get started... This is just flat-out opression coz the free side of the internet is getting in the way of their social-engineering project.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 08:05
hopefully sweden will be clever enough to not follow up on it

oh wait.. nevermind...


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 08:44
i am kidof glad i live in russia, the government does monitor the internet, but they wont bother blocking anything... yet, i dont know what the future holds


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 09:03
If anything, this bill doesn't go far enough...

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 09:33
What kind of a democracy is it where people vote for some guys, and then they are free for years to act freely from their voters, mostly doing everything the other way how people wanted?

(it is not...)

-In.Dev.X: A unique heavy story based shoot'em ~35%
-CoreFleet: An underground commander unit based RTS ~15%
-TailsVSEggman: An Sonic themed RTS under development for idea presentation to Sega ~15%
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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 09:44
They can't ask our permission for every decision they make. We just don't vote for them at the next election. Simple. In the meantime, we can protest to raise awareness and get more people onside, thus increasing the pool of people who won't vote for them.

These power hungry politicians want to be in power for lots of selfish reasons. Threaten to take that away from them with the power of the vote, and they'll do as we ask. That's what democracy is all about.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 13:26
It won't pass, the last "Internet Apocalypse a la Obama" bill didn't.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 14:32
What has free speech got to do with piracy?

Is someone excercising their free speech by uploading a ripped DVD or videogame? - of course not!
The internet is not at risk, not unless all you use the internet for is piracy.

And it doesn't even matter, because it's not as if the internet is the be all and end all, people will just go back to whatever methods still work. Some people think that piracy wasn't a problem before the internet... the biggest difference between the old methods and the new methods, is that pirates can easily make money with the old methods.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 14:41
Quote: "the biggest difference between the old methods and the new methods, is that pirates can easily make money with the old methods."


...and you needed two people, one to peddle the stuff from a suitcase, the other to look out for the Fuzz.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 14:58 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 14:59
That would make sense Van, if the new law would actually would stop pirates!

In reality it'll be used to track ordinary internet usage (ie, surveillance), and put a halt to fair use altogether.


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 16:15 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 16:17
Quote: "Is someone excercising their free speech by uploading a ripped DVD or videogame? - of course not!"


It's not just about ripping a DVD or game and putting it online. It's about the freedom to be able to use other people's content in your own. Youtube vloggers do this all the time, and if the bill passes, it may be that regular vloggers won't be able to even use news clips in their videos! I have found myself watching user-created series' on youtube only to find the last episode doesn't have any sound because some of the music is copyrighted by WMG. That's just ridiculous. Not to mention the fact that they can use these things as an excuse to keep an eye on what everyone's doing - I'm not saying they definitely are, what I am saying is that they want to, and they shouldn't be allowed to even have the option to do so.

Furthermore, the internet is a global technology. Why should a foreign government affect me, or you for that matter?

Land of the free? No. Land of the free enterprise. Money trumps creativity and the exchange of ideas.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 16:47
Ahh, see I find it hard to feel any sympathy for vloggers, in fact I don't know a vlogger that I don't wish harm on

I mean, why should people be allowed to re-broadcast material that people have paid a lot of money to produce. It's like saving all your money, buying a nice car, then having someone take a picture so they can tell people it's theres - claiming credit for other peoples work.
Take sxephil, now I hate him more than anyone who's ever been on youtube, and his vlogs are basically just other peoples news, condensed into one little turd that he presents as if he invented it, discovered it, or was responsible for it. These people are not celebrities, these people are not contributing, they are regurgitating.
Do we need people like him in this world, really!
Do we need to hear or see peoples hard work vomitted over some dodgy video with bad production values.

What if youtube videos were more of a combined, community effort. Like no stolen media - music from indi groups needing to get their music out there - uploaded by them for free use with credit, artwork from people who would just get a kick out of thousands of people seeing it. We have this awesome platform for creativity, and people use it to regurgitate other peoples content as if they are feeding baby birds, people throw cruddy videos with cruddy songs from Linkin Cruddy Park. Youtube needs some fresh ideas, some fresh music - why do we even care about media sharing restrictions while we should be using our own media in the first place.

Really, if not for the Yogscast guys I'd probably give up on youtube... I have 2 linkin park albums already, that's enough for anyone, for life.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 17:00
As a viewer, I do like to go and watch car crash compilation videos, stolen from a variety of sources, all condensed down into one relentless torrent of death and maiming. It improves my internet viewing experience, rather than having to search for "decapitation by flying car wreckage". So I see the argument of those who are concerned by increasing regulation and prosecution. As a viewer, it will infringe upon my enjoyment.

However, the guy who puts Dead on the Road Maimer Compilation 22 together, does not deserve the advertisement revenue, or any kudos or small bit of internet fame he receives. He's just an amalgamator, cashing in on other's hard work. And those people are missing out on the advertisement revenue they deserve. It's just another form of piracy at the end of the day.

So really, I don't know where I stand. It's somewhere on the fence, as usual.

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this law would quite basicly get rid of people like TotalBiscuit, yogscast etc right? since theyre casting material FROM A GAME...


yaay, so excited for this law to get through so all my internet entertainment can go to shoeland! >>_>>


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Quote: "I mean, why should people be allowed to re-broadcast material that people have paid a lot of money to produce. It's like saving all your money, buying a nice car, then having someone take a picture so they can tell people it's theres - claiming credit for other peoples work."


No doubt there are people who do literally rebroadcast everything. I will be the first to admit that I download films (illegally) or stream them. This is because a movie ticket now costs more than the bloody DVD and what's more I have to sit through half an hour of ads that I didn't pay to watch.

Here's the fundamental inconsistency: regular people are expected to adapt to the needs of private companies. Private companies, on the other hand, fail to adapt to the needs of the people. They aren't even expected to. It's not like the old days of capitalism where they would find a niche in the market and try to exploit it - the internet offers plenty of these niches. No, instead, they punish people for not giving them money the way they want it.

Governments are in no position to take sides in cases like this, but they do, because they benefit from it, and because companies send lobbyists to sway congress's opinions. A single lobbyist from a company has more power than a thousand voters combined.

The good thing about the internet is that it can never be fully regulated. People will find a way, one way or another. The longer it takes businesses to recognise this, the more money they're going to lose, and the more they're going to blame the people for it. They need to find new ways of making business. They are operating a 20th century business model in the 21st century and they stand no chance of holding everyone back, because the internet is too organic and it naturally finds ways around everything.

Big companies (I will use News Corp as an example), don't even care how much they are hated by people. They use their leverage to make money anyway. Rupert Murdoch insists that people stop giving away news for free on the internet and that they start to charge for it. Websites are not newspapers, nobody's going to do that. I can't understand how someone so successful can't grasp how stupid that is. I also don't understand why they continue to destroy their reputation for the sake of money. They make enemies of everyone then run to Uncle Sam to take care of them - and he does.

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Quote: "I mean, why should people be allowed to re-broadcast material that people have paid a lot of money to produce. It's like saving all your money, buying a nice car, then having someone take a picture so they can tell people it's theres - claiming credit for other peoples work.
Take sxephil, now I hate him more than anyone who's ever been on youtube, and his vlogs are basically just other peoples news, condensed into one little turd that he presents as if he invented it, discovered it, or was responsible for it. These people are not celebrities, these people are not contributing, they are regurgitating.
Do we need people like him in this world, really!
Do we need to hear or see peoples hard work vomitted over some dodgy video with bad production values."


So? Is it really a problem if someone is just summarising news (as long as the information is still accurate / correct)? Not everyone wants to watch news, maybe because they don't have the time, or they don't like how sombre the news is. If someone takes important news articles, condenses them and presents them in a more entertaining way, it's just a way to get people to be more informed on what is actually going on in the world. I've never watched a vlog, but if it keeps people up-to-date and informed about important topics, and the information is correct, then I don't see a problem with vlogs.


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 17:47 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 18:05
Quote: "I mean, why should people be allowed to re-broadcast material that people have paid a lot of money to produce. It's like saving all your money, buying a nice car, then having someone take a picture so they can tell people it's theres - claiming credit for other peoples work."


It's more like having a video with a picture of your car and you can't have that car in your video per the car manufacturers... even though it's about you showing off your new car.


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 18:54 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 18:55
I think that some people here should actually read the nonsense that SOPA will put in place.

Once you understand that having a single link (posted by a third party) on a single page on your site can get your site cut out of DNS and your company cut off from payments, all based on a single accusation, then you might change your minds. (It's called 'facilitating' in the bill).

However, it's all good if it passes, and it might even have a short-term impact on the piracy issue.

But, this will accelerate innovation in alternative DNS strategies (to avoid cut-outs at the DNS level), distributed systems (to avoid single countries taking down a site), encryption protocols (to stop people from even knowing what it being transferred) and all sorts of other improvements in infrastructure and protocols that I can't even foresee.

Once companies see that dealing with a US-based payment provider like Mastercard or VISA is actually a business risk, they'll switch to non-US payment providers too, spreading the wealth a little more around the world instead of concentrating it in a few financial sectors.

Before anyone calls me a piracy apologist, I'll state here and now: I'm against piracy - I believe it's wrong - but I also believe you can't fight it, you have to compete with it. Playing whack-a-mole against torrent search sites simply fragments and then multiplies those sites - we've already seen that over and over.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 18:59
Quote: "Before anyone calls me a piracy apologist, I'll state here and now: I'm against piracy - I believe it's wrong - but I also believe you can't fight it, you have to compete with it. Playing whack-a-mole against torrent search sites simply fragments and then multiplies those sites - we've already seen that over and over."


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 19:49
Yup. I've said it before, publishers need to make paying full price for games everytime, worthwhile. Steam can't continue to charge full retail price for download games, downloadable games should be a lot cheaper, they are basically the same experience as pirating the game. It's good for the environment, it saves publishers a fortune, it gives developers total control - so how come us customers haven't had any real benefits!

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Steam is a fair bit cheaper, IMO.

£35 for Skyrim there, I paid £42 for the XBox version.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 20:10
I'm pretty sure I heard this exact same thing a couple of years back... and a couple of years before that. Before that and we're into territory that I was too young to remember

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 20:37 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 20:38
I think the biggest problem is that pirated entertainment is often better than the bought version:

Movie:
Bought: Commercials, warning about pirating the movie,
Pirated: Movie starts right away,
Games:
Bought: Crappy DRM like origin or other reguires constant internet connection stuff.
Pirated: Game starts, no DRM nothing.

I'm not saying that piracy is good, it's just that they annoy people who buy the stuff to the point that I sometimes want to pirate a movie I bought, just to get rid of the minutes long unskipable in all language warning screens.

Edit: I know that pirated software/movies reguire some more effort to get running properly, but still, why punish the people who are buying your software while the ones actually stealing it get less annoyed.
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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 20:41
Quote: "£35 for Skyrim there, I paid £42 for the XBox version."


It's £30 on Amazon for PC. I totally agree with Van. Paying full wack for a download game is a rip off. Whatever it costs to produce a DVD + box + case + map or other inserts + distribution costs + retailers mark-up etc, should be passed onto the consumer, even if it's only a couple of quid.

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Quote: "£35 for Skyrim there, I paid £42 for the XBox version."


But you have a copy of Skyrim for the 360, which you could sell to someone. You also have a rather snazzy map.

If you bought the Steam version, the game can't be re-sold. £35 is too much for something that has such low distribution costs IMO. For years publishers have defended game pricing based on the distribution costs, retailer cut, and only so much actually got back to the developers. Steam cuts out the costs and the retailers, so where is the justification now?

Thing is, it's not Valves fault - publishers dictate pricing, but Valve should be trying to force that down.

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 20:48
Quote: "I know that pirated software/movies reguire some more effort to get running properly"



but iam pretty sure 2 hours wait + 10 minute fiddling is worth getting a 60€ software for free...


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Piracy can be best described as water flowing down a hill. You can build dams along the way but they'll either go around or overflow them ' and when the dam breaks. '

No im not a pro-pirate. I'm just realistic pretty much what IanM said really. They'll invent new ways to screw over copyright holders.

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Does anyone think about the hidden damage of piracy? There are movies, games and software that simply hasn't been made, because companies couldn't justify it when their last production suffered to earn enough profit. If I didn't have such a high piracy rate for my Android apps, perhaps I may still be developing them now. As it stands, I'll probably never make another Android app, and my next one could've been great.

Though my profit margin wasn't affected purely by piracy, it certain made it worse and demonstrates the problem. It's a completely hidden tragedy.

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I will fully support the pirating of football players in order to drive down the exorbitant wages they are paid. And playing football with a patch over your eye would make it a much more interesting game.

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Piracy isnt NEARLY as big of a problem as the big fat mega companies make them out to be: to a indie company YES
to a company like EA etc? NO because half the playerbase buys the game AFTER pirating it and the other half just thought the title to be mildly interesting (very much exaggurating here but the prnciple is exactly that..)


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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 22:48
Quote: "Piracy isnt NEARLY as big of a problem as the big fat mega companies make them out to be:"


Yeah... that's why I only steal things from the supermarkets, and shops in general and don't steal from people's houses. Those big corporations don't need any more money, it's not like they won't be able to pay their staff or have to close down any businesses because people aren't buying things.

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Quote: "Piracy isnt NEARLY as big of a problem as the big fat mega companies make them out to be: to a indie company YES
to a company like EA etc? NO because half the playerbase buys the game AFTER pirating it and the other half just thought the title to be mildly interesting (very much exaggurating here but the prnciple is exactly that..)"


Because you know, it's not like big companies hire a lot more people that indie companies, so it's not like they have to make more money to pay these people. It's also not like they spend much more money making a game so need more money to make a profit.

I could never understand why making a product and then wanting to sell lots of it was seen as 'greedy'? Surely that should be 'ambitious'?

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Posted: 17th Nov 2011 23:00 Edited at: 17th Nov 2011 23:02
Quote: "it's not like they won't be able to pay their staff or have to close down any businesses because people aren't buying things"

No, they are saving that for when they get all their products for sale online, first to go will be the staff, as said above things wont get any cheaper but the costs of running their business will,whch is NEVER passed onto the consumer.
I am not sure if the debate here is about piracy or if its about freedom of speech, I am not even sure if stopping piracy will increase actual sales as I believe most of those who do download pirated material wouldn't have bought it in the first place, if your talking stopping pirated games/movies here in particular, people are more likely to purchase second hand or simply ask for/swap unused ones from their friends, which companies would love to put a stop to if they could.
Not defending anything here one way or the other but as far as it goes I am sickened by both pirates and money grabbing greedy business.

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Quote: "Yeah... that's why I only steal things from the supermarkets, and shops in general and don't steal from people's houses. Those big corporations don't need any more money, it's not like they won't be able to pay their staff or have to close down any businesses because people aren't buying things."


not at all saying that we shouldnt buy the stuff, but they are making it out to be the end of our era


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I'd happily buy anything from Bungie, Valve, Bethesda and the like.

I don't see why people complain that Indie games are supposedly far superior, and that Indie companies are saints compared to the dominating, corporate leviathans they make large companies out to be.

Minecraft though ambitious and fun, pales into insignificance next to Skyrim. On it's own, good game, but a big company with a big budget can do more than just reskin an FPS with fancy graphics. Where some companies will happily do that for extra revenue, companies like Bethesda and Valve give you something that feels worth it.

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i have bought a lot of indie games overtime and Overgrowth and Zeno clash has better value than any big company game like bungie or valve IMO.


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Um, has anyone else realised that google will be immediately blocked. I mean, they have links to everything...

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It didn't pass...like I said it wouldn't.

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So you're honestly telling me you've found an indie game more entertaining than TF2?

Because Valve had made my £15 last four years so far.

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Posted: 18th Nov 2011 03:53
This bill will never pass so long as their is democracy in the world. The internet is the only true "land of the free" (lol) and will likely remain so, at least for as long as I live.

People complain about piracy far too much. I get more irritated about an individual 'rising to stop piracy' than I do the pirates themselves.


Quote: "i have bought a lot of indie games overtime and Overgrowth and Zeno clash has better value than any big company game like bungie or valve IMO."

The only indie game I've ever been able to play more than 10 minutes of in my life was Magicka. Other than that, I see no reason to play lower budget games because they generally offer much less of what I want that the big company games. Why play an 8 hour long decent game, when I can play a longer, better game? I'm not the kind that plays every game that comes out. I play one game for as long as I can possibly ride the game out. When I tire of it, I play the next one game as long as I possibly can ride it out.

Quote: "So you're honestly telling me you've found an indie game more entertaining than TF2?"

TF2 is the worst MP game ever made. I don't understand why people love it so much!!!

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Posted: 18th Nov 2011 06:54
Quote: "No, they are saving that for when they get all their products for sale online, first to go will be the staff, as said above things wont get any cheaper but the costs of running their business will,whch is NEVER passed onto the consumer."


Why do they have to pass savings on to the consumer? They are a business, and whether they are a big business or a small business, their sole purpose is to make as much money as possible.

Even though my post was tongue in cheek, lots of development studios are closing down. There are some who pirate just because they can, not because they can't afford it, and not because they wouldn't have bought it. Even though they are not physically taking an item, doesn't mean they aren't robbing the developers of potential income.

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Posted: 18th Nov 2011 07:35
Gonna try not to be verbose now... (I said TRY):

This bill is an excuse to further clamp down on freedom of communications. It only LOOKS like an anti-piracy campaign on the surface. It gets a foot in the door for other things because it will do little to harm the piracy "industry" but lots to get people used to the idea of restrictions online. I choose freedom and chaos over imprisonment and order any day.

Copyright infringement includes: Anime wallpapers, fanfiction (although I'd be happy to see most of that go), game screenshots, movie screenshots, clips from movies used in parody videos, downloadable 8/16 bit roms from the glory days, emulators that utilize bios dumps from the original console, fan-made revivals of obselete games, embedded video clips. Also, by closing down anybody who is linking to wrongful content, it would mean the banning of dozens of forums that are too big to moderate within time to prevent being classified as a pirate site. It would also put an end to fansubbing of foreign media (meaning we'd have to wait for it to be licensed in our respective countries, IF it got licensed there at all). So kiss that all goodbye.

I'm against piracy on the whole and I'm proud to say I buy just about everything that I download pirate copies of - unless it turns out to be trash, then I delete it and shouldn't have to have paid for it in the first place. Thanks to piracy, I have discovered some great bands that get little to no exposure in mine and a lot of other countries. There are even a few artists out there (in all media genres) who are grateful for the exposure piracy has given them.

Aside from making games, I like writing. I've actually completed a book (still needs some editing for typos etc.) and am writing a second. I'm looking forward to getting it published (one way or another) and I would feel absolutely honoured to see links to a pdf ver all over the net. But then again, I prioritise glory (not to be confused with fame) over money which is why I'll never be rich

Back to the topic, I think that this bill has too many cons and not enough pros. Consequently, I have to side with the people against it (although both sides have made very good arguments so far, I cannot deny that). I think this bill and others like it would BOOST the piracy industry because getting stuff free online would be harder so you'd have to go to your local merchant and he'd charge you (1/4 to 1/8 what the shop would). Then you wouldn't buy the original because you'd already paid for it. This is not to mention the fact that organised crime would flourish thanks to this. So in a way, internet piracy is stealing from crooks because the people who pirate would pirate anyways and the decent folk would buy the original anyways and the folk in-between would likely sway to the dark side.

...Oh darn, I tried not to be verbose... *sigh*

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Posted: 18th Nov 2011 08:47
Quote: "So you're honestly telling me you've found an indie game more entertaining than TF2?"

in my opinion, yes, since TF2 is fun from time to time, its not as brilliant IMO as people keep saying


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Posted: 18th Nov 2011 10:38
I think for Indie games vs AAA titles it really depends on what people prefer. I wouldn't say it's so crazy to prefer Indie titles over AAA ones. Really depends on what entertains you, bigger budget and better technology can mean nothing if you don't find the game interesting. Of course AAA titles are more successful and make more money, but that doesn't mean in somebody's opinion that AAA titles are better.

I buy some indie games and love the indie market. Of course there's AAA titles I personally prefer, but also indie titles I'd much prefer to play over some AAA ones. For example, I probably like Cthulhu Saves the World over Brink. I've sat and watched people play Brink and it looks boring to me. Cthulhu Saves the World on the other hand is a brilliant concept, despite it's purposefully awful graphics. VVVVV was another highly addictive Indie Title with plenty of replay value, given I don't replay a lot of games, I just find it's like crack. Echoes is another game like that (made by one of our old forum members).

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