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@ Pincho Paxton

I used to have a Wolf Avatar but made my first appearance around 2005. In 2002 I was either ten or eleven years old, depending on when this other Wolf was around. A little puppy if you will

well Ron Erickson was Wolf for years, and was a Moderator. He made quite a few of the DB Pro plugins. I'm surprised that you don't know of him. The two of you must have crossed over in 2005, because he was still around then. I'm surprised that your title Wolf didn't cause a problem in the database. So since 2007 I thought you were him.

Now you're just trying to point out entirely irrelevant things and say "HA look I got you now because you said epic here and awesome here!" It's called exaggeration, you may have heard of it but maybe not. And I admit that it's exaggeration. If you were to say that "epic" is an exaggeration in this thread right now, then that would stop me in my tracks immediately because that's my entire point. That "epic" is an outrageously absurd exaggeration for any FPSC game. So yes, thank you for bringing me closer to the entire point of my posts. And let's face it, playing one of the best Playstation 1 games on my phone with a pin-point accurate controller is pretty dang cool. Lol. Far cooler than anything FPSC will ever be able to produce!


You're not bursting my bubble... I know of the few FPSC games that became "commercial." They were all complete and utter crap and waste of a time as far as real gaming goes. Looking at posts on a particular thread of an FPSC game that went "commercial," even the responses within the FPSC community said that it looked horrible not only for true gaming, but horrible for FPSC. FPSC may have technically made "commercial" games, but they are not of any quality.

Maybe the world's standard of a commercial quality game has dropped to crap like Operation Wolfsburg (the FPSC game that went "commercial" that I was just referring to) but in my opinion, and yes this part is my opinion, "commercial" quality actually means 'good.' Something I've yet to see FPSC create. If it can't create real commercial quality, it can't create an epic.

Looking at the sales and reviews of these 'commercial' games alone tells me everything I need to know. However one of the FPSC 'commercial' games, Froggy Shoot out, has three reviews on CNET for 5 out of 5 stars! A whopping three people reviewed it, likely all being related to the creator, but an impressive 5 stars... So clearly that is commercial quality.

I get it that this is an indie forum and people here have a respect for indie gaming therefore making them like them more... But a game is a game is a game, and I'm going to compare them to AAA games. There have of course been indie games that are "epic" but there haven't been any FPSC games that are epic. Arguing that is blaspheme.
Deep in your own world of thoughts, you may have really enjoyed some FPSC games (the only reason being because you use FPSC, were you to not use FPSC you would despise them like the entire world outside of FPSC... I'm sure you will all argue that, but regardless of what is said I'll never believe it. I can't say you didn't enjoy the game but you certainly would never have considered any FPSC game epic) but when compared to AAA games, they are rotten, broken craps of a so-called video game. Saying I can't compare the two is just silly because of course I'm going to.


Then it's just that... Because there are no epic FPSC games. No one in their right mind can honestly say that they've played an FPSC game that is of equal to, or greater value than some of the greatest AAA games. NO ONE. At least no one in their right mind. Yes, blah blah blah to each his own blah blah blah, everyone has their own opinions... But it's not an opinion that FPSC is limited in many ways and can't produce AAA quality. That's just the way it is.


Who says this surprises me? It doesn't surprise me but just because it's not surprising doesn't me it doesn't irritate me.

I want to throw out there again though that I do not simply bash FPSC because of the fact it can't produce great quality. FPSC is amazing in it's wheelhouse, and that's for the every day hobbyists and learning the basics of both computers in general and game design. It's a beginner's step, it is however, not for and never will be for, producing anything of true quality.



I have decided that I am now going to follow the rest of the internet and now use the word "epic" for anything and everything that is equal to or greater than anything that is completely mediocre in every sense of the word.

I get it now...your a crazy person.

You conveniently forgot to quote what I continued to say, so I will do it for you. At no point did I say "HA look I got you now because you said epic here and awesome here!" if you want to quote me thats fine but dont put words into my mouth.


Also let me quote BiggAdd's response in the thread I was pointing out where he defended you, which I hoped you would realize applies to your own posts in this thread.


The above refers to something else but I think its appropriate enough to get the point across, you gave your opinion some dont agree with you, get over it.

Again you make assumptions about why people have an opinion (that doesn't suit you) while having no substance whatsoever for your own. You deride the reviews a game has because in your opinion they MUST have been written by the designers relations and again its obvious you haven't even played it yourself. You really dont have an opinion of your own do you? and seem to be referring to others to create your own or simply making things up to validate your view which seems to be shared by 'the entire world'.


I can make my own mind up thanks very much and just to let you know its not because I am an FPSC fanboy and I wouldn't actually believe the entire world agreed with me.

Thank you for posting all the gobbledegook above now I can leave this pointless exercise to run its own course without feeling any remorse......Epic!

You're late :I


Seriously though, this has been going on for a long time - I use EPIC as a equalent to "amazing".

If I find a amazing piece of art I usually say: "THIS IS SHOEY EPIC!?"

and besides, look at games nowadays: Throwing around words like "epic gear"
and that "epic gear" isnt even much better than the highest tiered "rare" gear.

Epic is, like any other word - what you make of it. As long as the one you're talking to understands you, then it's not really a big deal is it? Heck, I bend words in however way I want to, as long as people get my point I see no harm in making the languages more fun and enjoyable, right?

I've never seen a person get so bent over a single word. Just like every word in the English language, it gets twisted and turned and changed into other things. Words mean different things to different people.

Just because you think a word means one thing, it doesn't mean that it's the actual definition. It's all how a person perceives it. And yeah, everyone may have made 'epic' into this crazy ass word that isn't properly used in most places. So what?

Let people call FPSC games epic. If they thoroughly enjoyed a game created by it and they call it epic, so what? If I call a game cool, someone may start calling me out on using 'cool'. You argument can be applied to every descriptive word.

And comparing AAA games to Indie games (especially FPSC) is absurd. AAA games have TEAMS and LOTS of people working on them. The word appreciation comes to mind for indie games. For me at least, I can't compare the two, because I feel like indie games are the underdogs and more passion and love goes into their games. And sometimes have hard limitations that they have to get around. And sometimes they come up with some really awesome stuff. Even epic. I appreciate the work that goes into an indie game sometimes more than some AAA titles. And being someone who tries to create games, allows us to understand the process. Thus the source of the appreciation.

Point is, let people call a game epic, even if you don't think it is. Regardless of how the game was made, what engine it was, AAA or indie.

I <3 you all.

It is kind of ironic to have an American upset about the so called diluting of the English language (I know its originally Greek and not being derisory to any Americans, I couldn't care less), although I suspect this is more just ranting to get a point across that was never being made in the first place, its a 'drowning man clutching at straws' scenario when you cant accept you do the same thing yourself. Its called hippocracy.....(hypocrisy)

http://randomcrazy123.wordpress.com/2007/05/12/hippocracy-a-growing-threat/

wait, what !!!


Lol wait, perhaps you should read you own posts again.

Your comprehensions skills is lacking you debating skills even more so.

Irrespective it made a commercial game(s), irrespective of it being utterly crap as YOU put it, users have managed to find publishers.So you can't turn around and now say it's crap.You conveniently forgot about the commercial game part, and quickly twisted you follow up posts to suite your needs.

Well I double dare you then to challenge me to make a better game/map or whatever in FPSC.Because apparently you are a jack of all trades and now I can say with create pleasure a crackpot.If you are such a FPSC expert, because clearly you know every thing about FPSC, you should be able to do any thing better than even little old me.

Oh, yeah, wait, what, I forgot to ask, I asked you in a previous post to prove those accusations


*Note on crackpot.
Just google the word first if your unsure of the proper meaning.


*edit*
Wait I double dare you to any thing looking like a commercial game title.

Define that for me please.

Who me ?

If you wish, was mostly poinintg it at redneckrambo though

Which is why I added a smiley at the end Like so
BTW howsit quik, long time no see, I should really go show face in the 3d model forum again.

Please do need moar peeps there x)

If we are saying FPSC can make commercial quality games because a few utterly craphouse FPSC games went "commercial" does not mean there is any quality whatsoever to these games. Maybe me saying FPSC has never made commercial quality is technically wrong because a few technically have gone commercial to the lowest degree regardless of the fact that even in the lowest of indie standards, every single one of those games were hated more than watching a pile of gravel in a rock quarry. If those games are considered of any quality whatsoever than that means my game where all you do is poke a pile of dog crap with a stick on a white background is of commercial quality.

It's funny to me that apparently I'm making an absolute huge deal about the twisting of a word when literally all I said was that FPSC hasn't made any epic games and one freaked out because it's different than his own opinion. And then when I state my opinion further, I'm told I'm the one who should leave and is the one causing the problems when in reality I started NOTHING other than the fact that people are hypocritical monsters and can't handle people having different views. It's fact that FPSC has never made a truly "epic" game and when I say that I mean to the definition of the word epic... I will NEVER believe anyone who says they played an epic FPSC game because it will NEVER create AAA quality and hundreds and hundreds of AAA games aren't epic.

Also, congratulations Wizard, you have set a world record for being the most irrelevant person during a debate in the history of mankind. But sure congratulations again for discovering my inability to create a better FPSC game than you (I'll even set aside the fact I only used it for two years, from 06-07 and haven't touched it even once since then, almost five years ago) but I'll also let you in on a little secret... hypothetically speaking let's say I did take up your challenge... this is how it will end: i will create something terrible for FPSC, while you will create something great for FPSC however, yours will be terrible in the real world of gaming too. People outside of FPSC will see our game of equal crap. Inside the FPSC, you create levels that one could call supreme FPSC design, but take it outside of the small community and throw it up against a truly epic... well you aren't looking impressive to say the least anymore.

I take my leave... literally leaving to a place with very limited internet access for two weeks if any at all. So everything said on from now, I wont read for two weeks and won't care to respond then.
But yes, hate me, verbally attack me, flame me all you want. I'm going to be the one to admit FPSC can't make something epic while you guys continue to waste ungodly amounts of potential to create something truly remarkable because of sheer stubborness to defend FPSC. It's actually sad for me to see those who have the skills to make something unique and amazing in the actual gaming world have their time spent on something that is ONLY good WITHIN this small community that compares FPSC games only to other FPSC games and not real ones.

I love when people result to the ole "well I'm better than you!" arguments. Not only does it show extreme ignorance it shows pathetic arrogance, especially when it's irrelevant in every possible way to the entire point. But I guess it doesn't matter to them because they win at something and that's all that matters. It certainly doesn't prove anything but they got a win.

Not leaving tonight now actually, have another day to finish this... have to help my grandmother move my grandfather to a nursing home

you still didn't answer what commercial quality means to you...
what is quality, and what features must be involved in a commercial game?

Kindly read the first few posts again and point out where ANYONE freaked out on you, I posted a different opinion from you and you seem to be the one freaking out about it. lets be clear here, you decided to moderate the forum citing the need "to save posts for other threads", what other threads you were referring to I have no idea, but there are already mods to do this and what heck are you talking about? saving space..you just about used up all TGC's bandwidth on this thread alone.
All the OP asked was "What was the most EPIC fpsc game you played ever?" and you gotta jump in with your completely negative view on it and you have covered your butt with constant ranting ever since you got called out on it.
Tell me you did that to save the guy from any nerve damage he might suffer from playing FPSC games rather than you were just pissed at him posting yet another thread which you disapproved of and I'll call you a liar.
Only after I disagreed with your opinion did you start on this rant that never seems to end and I only seen one other person jump in to agree with you and their synopsis on why FPSC is crap and wont ever create anything but crap was as banal,immature and anal as your own.

I take it your 'faithful' 7 months spent with Unity was as successful as your two years with FPSC and I suspect this is what its really about you pushed the software to its limits so thats it, it wont do what you want so its crap and rather than admit you haven't actually tried any games that others created with it, you got your opinion and gonna stick with it.

Actually, I have tested that theory before? Many moons ago, I purposely created a map and some screens shots, added some game studio A6 models, as at the time I was still playing around with it and posted some screens on their forum of the apparent A6 game, I was working on.

I don't know if the thread has been deleted, I do however know people actually laughed when they finally figured out I was fooling them.But mostly they were pleasantly surprised, gave some advise on improving the lighting ect..ect(Before finding out), So much for the same happening here.

Which brings to the point of, some of the stuff that has been created, whether you will be willing to admit or not is better than most of these indie engines.

The simple reason is that most of these indie engines has some form of coding involved, doesn't have half the media we have and lets not talk about support, which has improved a lot at TGC compared to any other engine out there ?

Find me a forum,and engine with similar features and graphics and we can test that theory, shall we? could either fail or succeed, hell I will even upload in game video's.

I will put my money where my mouth is ? Come on, I am fed up with words now.As they say, actions speak louder that words.?You want to prove FPSC is the biggest pile of horse manure to be poked with a stick do it, so far you have not once referenced, not mentioned one flaw or one blatant bug, or any thing that will remotely stop FPSC for creating some thing of amazing proportions, or as this thread asked EPIC.Why is that. ?

Actually I was hoping for comment like that, it simply tells me, even if I challenge you, knowing that one of us will be at a disadvantage, you will not be willing to put in the effort.? Why is that, you might create some thing worthwhile.

Please don't avoid question(s), again, the point is to answer some one elses questions as well correct them, if their information isn't correct, it is what people call debating, and it is healthy, as even then you still learn info as well as learning to accept the opinion of others.

Seriously dude, epic or not, your distaste for FPSC is apparent.

Oh really? What gave it away? Was it the part where I basically said it can produce garbage and only garbage? Or was it the part where I basically said I have the utmost respect for the engine for if it weren't for FPSC, I wouldn't have the computer skills I have today and wouldn't have the faintest idea of the work involved in game design. Yes I clearly hate FPSC.
Wizard I'm just ignoring you completely from here on in this thread as you have already set the world record for being the most irrelevant person ever in a debate, you continue to be... well, irrelevant, further setting the world record to a point that two people at one time could likely never even reach. So you have set a mountainous of a record
... I am not a game designer to even the slightest degree in my life, I gave it a go a couple times and it wasn't for me and I tried really hard but I am not a patient person whatsoever and I quickly learned it is a required trait.. I like the outside world far more, I'm much more productive out there... so no I will not join you in this "challenge" to be the best to prove a point that is entirely unrelated in every possible way to the entire point of this "debate" if you can even call it that.


Rolfy, I would hope you aren't actually freaking out. It was an exaggeration... oops there's that word again. The fact that you called my posts facetious, then mockingly calling me a "top" designer (although I am in no way shape or form a game designer to even the slightest degree, I tried it when I was younger and it wasn't for me) and then your comment about me releasing a demo and you not holding your breath for it shows to me... that no... you absolutely cannot handle the fact that I stated my opinion because it differs from yours. What I have "freaked" out about, is one, the fact that you have gotten so out of this world butt-hurt because I have put down FPSC even though I have the highest respects for the engine, but to say it's capable of epic games is just plain blaspheme... and two, the fact that you simply have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to my first post. Scroll back to the top and re-read the post over and over and over again. I said "Could you please stick these epic threads into one thread?" You may not realize this but I was just making a suggestion that instead of making a different thread every time for a question like that, this being the third epic in a very short time span, he could just put it into one big thread of epic proportions. Maybe next time when I post in a hurry, I will write a full detailed descriptions of my feelings and absolutely NOT post my opinion so long as it differs from yours.

So no, the OP did not piss me off in any way shape or form, actually no it's you and people like you that piss me off when they are unable to figure out the meaning of the simplest question and so you automatically assume I am trying to attack someone... And also when people can't handle the fact that the engine they use (and obviously FPSC is only used because it's the only engine they can figure out how to use) isn't good for making something epic because you obviously think you make something epic every time and I'm basically saying you don't... You do for FPSC, but that doesn't mean diddly-squat and I understand, that hurts that bulging ego.
I also like the way you think you have the slightest idea about what you are talking about when it comes to my "faithful" seven months with Unity and time with FPSC... More assumptions on a topic you genuinely haven't the slightest clue about. I suck at game design, plain and simple... no and's if's or but's. In fact, what I would make with FPSC was ten fold than Unity because I was too dumb to really get the hang of it, much like you with UDK I assume? UDK is obviously superior to FPSC in every way but I'm sure according to you it was very easy and FPSC is just that good.
And then would you like me to show you a picture of my folder of every FPSC games I have downloaded, including a few of the so-called "commercial" FPSC games? Seriously I'm not going to because not only do I not want to given I don't care to, but mainly because I don't want to hurt that massive arrogant ego (which let's face it, is obviously why you are so pissed off because, and I completely understand given I have one of equal proportions only that it's used in a different field, I've been sitting here spewing of how everything created in FPSC, which is everything you have made is basically garbage compared to games of real quality.... amazing for FPSC and probably the best FPSC can possibly do, but that doesn't say much) of yours much further.

But you know what, you're clearly right... Next time I'm in a hurry and have no time and ask a question/suggestion, that is in no way shape or form meant negatively in even the slightest of degrees, I'm going to type out a full-fledged essay on my exact meanings behind said question and will also, in great detail, describe my emotions toward the original post at hand.

I know I'm the bad guy and will be punished because I put down the masters of FPSC (an engine that is amazing for teaching the basic mechanics of game design and can help younger people gain computer skills in general, yet not meant for anything of true gaming quality and certainly not capable of producing an epic game,) and although my words won't mean anything to you, when you finally decide to release a so-called "commercial" FPSC game... Well I'll let those 1 star reviews and poor sales (and no your fellow FPSC forumers giving you 5 stars on the FPSC WIP boards doesn't count) do the rest of my work, because in the end....... FPSC has never.... will never produce something epic.

But please, continue working your arse off all the time to produce nothing of even mediocrity quality and continue attacking those who can actually admit what, and only what, FPSC is meant for as to not cut a hole in that over-sized, growth of an ego.


The end.

I was thinking of putting an about the author paragraph here, but after having to type my meaning and really put my emotions in detail behind every post, my fingers are tired and are ready for bed.

RedneckRambo: Can you please, PLEASE define the objective verson of quality? Please.

My ego has no concerns, in fact I never gave it a single thought that you were referring to me personally with your rants, but since you seem inclined to put me in my place then fair enough, even though I never created a full game just a couple of demo's I will take your thoughts on board.
Your real problem is that you are right...doesn't matter if the majority actually disagree with you and you swing from one extreme to the other you believe that EVERYTHING said is pointed at you even though I tried to tell you you were just getting caught in the crossfire, you should read more carefully what is being said not just that but understand what is being said.
I still think your full of it if you think FPSC is only for entry level and cant be used to create a decent commercial game, whether its epic or not is a matter of opinion, even the best AAA games can have bad reviews so its entirely irrelevant what you say really. I can choose to agree or disagree, what I dont need is having it shoved down my throat every second post, do you really think any bad reviews for an FPSC game were because of the engine or do you think those reviews are based on the games design and gameplay itself (the designer) or do you maybe think that sometimes you just get trolls that will say anything is crap.

I still believe you have been wriggling a lot with all of this and most of it is reaction to whats being said to you, you swing from arguing the context of a word to arguing that FPSC is crap to blaming others ego's for not agreeing with you.
Your arguments are not rational for the simple reason that to argue a point you have to use example, something thats been sorely lacking with most of your posts hence other folks frustration with your 'opinion'.


He cant, because its subjective in this case.

Lots of contradictions in RedneckRambo's posts. Isn't this yet another one?...

And thanks for all the fish.Shjoo glad to be ignored again for a changed.

Irrelevant=Me.

As a fourth language, English speaking person, I have a hard time understanding the word irrelevant.

@Rolfy was I really that irrelevant, an honest unbiased opinion would be appreciated.
Might big opinionated mouth there fella, for some one whose is not.

Indubitably But I wouldn't sweat it, we all are.

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