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Matty H
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Just something I have noticed over the years.

Sometimes moderators will be debating in a thread and decide that the thread has strayed off course or is in violation of the forum rules, so they decide to lock it.

But sometimes, they lock the thread after a post they have made themselves, sometimes after two posts they have posted themselves

This either means that they are responsible for the locking of the thread and should give themselves a slap Or the time to lock the thread was before they posted.

I don't want to upset anyone, it's just something I have noticed, it has never happened to me(may have spoken too soon?). I am also definitely speaking about threads I have followed over the years, not just any that happen to be recent.

I put it down as a perk of being a mod, being able to get the last word in a debate

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Ahahahahahaha

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Mods can still post in locked threads, I don't know if they unlock then lock again or if its elven magic

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Van B
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Sometimes a mod will post a response without knowing the thread is being locked by another mod. There is no warning or notice that we are posting in a locked thread, and it can take a while to read through posts, then decide to post, or lock. So imagine 2 mods look at a thread in Geek Culture, spend 10 minutes reading it, one mod decides to lock it, the other decides to post in it - the thread will be locked and the mod will make the post. I've had this happen to me a couple of times.

It's not like we lock a thread then post in it just to be gits - sometimes of course if we feel strongly about a thread we'll post in it whether it's locked or not, that's just part of being a moderator - if we feel that something needs to be said - a particular user warned, or someone mentions us specifically, then we will post. It's not a deliberate thing to annoy people though, there's usually a good reason for it, or we simply aren't aware of the lock. Typically a mod that is involved in an argument for instance, won't lock the thread because that's kinda petty - other mods will tend to notice the wheels coming off and lock it. It's just the way we've ended up moderating here.

But anyway, it won't change I'm afraid - posting in a locked thread is not something we worry about... we'd all prefer if people just disregarded locked threads, posting in a thread that gets locked is no less pointless than posting in one that's already locked.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 18:14 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 18:15
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but what about this?
Quote: "Sometimes moderators will be debating in a thread and decide that the thread has strayed off course or is in violation of the forum rules, so they decide to lock it.
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a mod posting in a thread - and contributing to - for example, going off topic or venturing into politics that is disallowed etc? - and then locking it?



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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 18:53 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 19:00
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Quote: "a mod posting in a thread - and contributing to - for example, going off topic or venturing into politics that is disallowed etc? - and then locking it?"


What about it? As we've said before, we are not "forbidden" to participate in any discussion here at all. Ad far as going "off topic"; I was responding to members such as yourself, who took it "off topic".

As far as the thread in question goes (presumably the one that this thread was started for); there were multiple warnings about straying off course in it. The main subject degenerated into another area that has been both discussed, and locked numerous times here. Therefore it was locked down. Generally; we like other Mods to do the locking, but in this instance there was no reason to keep it open any longer. The only purpose it was serving was to inflame feelings on the matter one way or the other.

Not to berate the OP in any way shape or form; but this type of thread has been started before, and we have had to answer it the same each time. Then a few select people will always jump on and use it as their own personal "soapbox"; or just to make a nonsensical post such as "Ahahahahahaha", because they like to be part of every thread in the Forum. Trying to instigate drama here (again, not talking to the OP), will only serve as a catalyst in your eventual exit from these boards....one way or another.

In short: we do what we do, because we deem it necessary.

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I have noticed other mods often step in and lock a thread, this seems a better way to do it imo.

But I'm not a mod and you guys contribute your own spare time to keeping the forums tidy, so getting the last say before you lock a thread is no big deal

On another note, I hate the way there are things we can't talk about, but I totally understand why it has to be that way and hence the need for moderators

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I am more interested in that why mods are not valued members

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I find it interesting that mods contribute to debates on sensitive topics, then lock the thread because it went towards said sensitive topic.
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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 21:59 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 22:00
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It's not that simple. Sometimes when a discussion is happening we leave it open so a discussion can happen. It's only when the discussion stops being productive and starts devolving into personal attacks/flames etc. that it gets locked.

It's nice when things are discussed maturely and it is certainly interesting when you see other's opinions on a topic but unfortunately it doesn't seem to last long.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 22:51 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 22:52
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I'll post my two cents running risk of 'slap' lol I think its very unfair at times when certain mods incite an argument, slap the member and close the topic. We do enjoy the feedback/discussion but abuse of power is becoming more common.
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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 23:08 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 23:16
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Quote: "but abuse of power is becoming more common."
This. All I have to say, or I'll get slapped.

Actually, come to think of it, I'll try and say some constructive stuff, and hopefully the mods take it as so. It's been a while since I have been in a runup with a mod, so I'm not too fired up to talk about it, but I'll do the best I can to provide constructive criticism to the moderation system. One of the largest things that bothers me is the "Moderator decisions may not be discussed" or however that goes... Basically, ya, it allows for a mod to do whatever they like, and it allows for abuse of power. Really only one other thing I have to say, a system of communication with the mod that bans you would be nice. When I was banned, I had no clue why or who banned me, so no idea who to speak about it to. Or perhaps if mods gave a more reasonable reason for the ban than what I got.

Of course, that's all been discussed and I don't wanna bring it back up here. But for the record, the post I got banned for was entirely humorous, and because mod decisions can not be discussed, when the mod misinterpreted my post as not being humorous, it left me banned innocently.

Again, just a little bit of constructive criticism, I hope the mods take it well and take it seriously.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 23:21 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 23:32
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Quote: "This. All I have to say, or I'll get slapped."


Where? Or do you still have a chip on your shoulder since you were moderated?

People who complain about the abuse of power of moderators/any law enforcement are always the people who have been dealt with them.

Ask anyone on here who hasn't been slapped/banned/warned if there is abuse of power and they will tell you no.

We keep a pretty clean forum, its not easy, but somehow we manage it. I hate it when people say things like 'You're abusing your powers', when they really mean: 'I hate that you are using the tools entrusted to you by the owners of this site and the community on me'.

If any of the mods were abusing their powers, we'll be the first ones to let them know. We aren't gods here to smite people for our sadistic pleasure.
We are forum users trusted to help keep the peace.
Ask any moderator if they enjoy moderating a user. They'll all tell you they hate it. Moderating a user is the worst part of being a moderator, we don't like it, its not fun and we only use it as a last resort.


Quote: "Of course, that's all been discussed and I don't wanna bring it back up here. But for the record, the post I got banned for was entirely humorous, and because mod decisions can not be discussed, when the mod misinterpreted my post as not being humorous, it left me banned innocently.

Again, just a little bit of constructive criticism, I hope the mods take it well and take it seriously."


Okay so it seems you still do have a chip on your shoulder.
I'm getting sick of you dragging this up every time you get the chance.

You were slapped for creating duplicate accounts. 1 duplicate account you created had the ban message:
'No duplicate accounts allowed'

A month later you create another account, so I slapped you.

After your slap you had some personal vendetta for some reason, because you didn't like the fact you were slapped.
You were banned for 2 days (I'm not sure by who), for kicking up a fuss because you didn't like your 2 day slap.

So really, is this an abuse of powers? Or do you think its time to let this go now?
Its still clear to me you don't think you are in the wrong, and you constantly try pin the blame on the moderators.
And the way you constantly drag this up with 'constructive criticism' for the moderators is really passive aggressive. Do you realise that?

You are the first person who seemed to not understand what the message 'No Duplicate Accounts Allowed' meant. And that is somehow our fault?

I've overturned moderations in the past, all my moderations are up for discussion. But if you are so blind to your own fault, how am I supposed to help you?

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Quote: " I was responding to members such as yourself, who took it "off topic"."

oooOOooo, yeah, so that makes it alright!

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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 23:31 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 23:58
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Haha! No, I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I suppose, I'm just a tad cautious about what I say... Lemme read your post in more detail and I'll edit back in here... No hard emotions here!

Ok, I see... From a moderator perspective which you have given me, I see things really aren't the same way I interpret them to be from my own perspective, if you know what I'm saying... And honestly, if I have been a blasted pain in the you know what in the past, I truly do apologize. I am kind of the person that doesn't like to admit they're wrong, so I see why some of these issues have occurred. And to be quite honest, I think it's some of the forum issues I have had that have really opened my eyes to the issue and both here and in real life, I have been working on knowing that sometimes I'm just in the wrong and I must accept that. So I'm gonna say it here, not long ago never thought I would, but I do want to apologize for being an idiot to you, being a mod isn't fun and I have not contributed to making your moderation job any better... Same goes to any other mod who I have been a jerk to.

Quote: "After your slap you had some personal vendetta for some reason, because you didn't like the fact you were slapped.
You were banned for 2 days (I'm not sure by who), for kicking up a fuss because you didn't like your 2 day slap."
TBH, I had no clue my ban was for that! Simply just a lack of communication or simply a derp on my part (I'm being more willing to take the blame upon myself, you see ) had led me to believe I was banned for a COMPLETELY different reason than I was. I appreciate knowing the real reason now. And yes, I now understand my ban. I'm pretty sure I hadn't mentioned my slap for a few days at the time of the ban, so that confused me. Hence a moderator communication system would be nice!

Quote: "You are the first person who seemed to not understand what the message 'No Duplicate Accounts Allowed' meant. And that is somehow our fault?"
I'll take that back, at that point in time I was rather upset, in the mindset that I wasn't wrong, and had to find some loophole through which I could blame a mod, obviously a jerk move on my part.

Quote: "And the way you constantly drag this up with 'constructive criticism' for the moderators is really passive aggressive. Do you realise that?"
Hmm... When I say constructive, I really do mean it. It's honestly intended for the benefit of the forum and moderation system. However, I can see where you'd think it's passive aggressive, I suppose it just comes out of my mouth that way because as you mentioned, I'm trying to take advantage of the opportunity to bring this back up...

Part of why I might be such a jerk to the mods sometimes is just that it's out of character for me, not what I expect myself to be, and on a computer forum of all places, so when I receive consequences for it, it puts me in shock and I honestly lose control and take a dump all over the mods who are just trying to handle me...

Wow, my eyes are opened, and I'm sorry for causing you so much trouble. I honestly never meant it... And again, it's out of character for me, and it just puts me in a funk knowing I have acted like that, and to real people, too...

Are we cool? I suppose the best thing, mainly for me would just be to
Quote: "think its time to let this go now"




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Posted: 16th Jan 2013 23:37 Edited at: 16th Jan 2013 23:38
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Quote: "I find it interesting that mods contribute to debates on sensitive topics, then lock the thread because it went towards said sensitive topic."


In our own minds, we are users before we are moderators. I don't browse the forum as a moderator, I browse as a user.
Sometimes, if the topic is close to our interests we can get carried away, just like any other user.

I think we are usually fair with people if they do over step the bounds of the AUP. If its conducted within an adult and mature discussion, we usually let it go. The locks come out when it descends into a flame war.

We shouldn't have to miss out on the debate simply because we are moderators.

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Ah, I have edited the stuff in.

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To be fair a lot of the mods here do "cross the line" a lot on these forums. I'm not saying I'm perfect but flaming a member or ignoring abusive members is simply poor moderation. I will admit there were times when I did deserved the punishment but more often than not the mods back people into corners rather they do it on purpose or unknowingly. Perception on the internet is really hard to see but something’s don't require any level of perception to see abuse.

Not trying to kiss butt or anything but your best mods are Keith and Thraxas. My advice from a users point of view, I'd say strive to be more like them. They are fair in their judgment but also provided helpful information and a very realistic perspective you may have never thought of before. So they in a way help educate the user by talking to them. When I read posts from most of the other mods, I feel like I'm being personally attacked and I know a lot people feel the same. I also have grown to become very annoyed by all the trolling allowed on these forums. It’s even worse when I see mods get involved and appear to contribute to the trolling.

My understanding of this form is to be a helpful place people come to discuss electronics, gaming programming and other interests we all commonly share. What I see is trolling, “you can’t say that” or “my language is better than yours”. My favorite is “Dark Basic is the best and you all suck”. Not saying people say that literally but a lot of conversations along those lines all over all these forums. In a lot of cases as well it appears to be mods leading the conversation. So it’s kind of the pot calling the kettle black. From a business point of view, these forums are in a way TGC’s business card/customer support. So if this is how you want to display your company to the world ok but I would not recommend it. I’m sure I’ll get the slap again but kinda needed to be said.
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Quote: "I’m sure I’ll get the slap again but kinda needed to be said."


Did it though, really?

If your surprised that some of us had something to say in defense of TGC products on TGC's forum full of TGC product users, then maybe this forum isn't for you.

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about this whole slap thing - I honestly have no clue what you are talking about - my experience with mods in that regard have been very positive, I once got banned, mailed a mod and explained some stuff, got reduced to a slap - and I understood why, and accepted it - since then I have never been slapped AFAIK, i might have missed one or just not remember.. still - from my perspective, mods are very just in that regard - and, even friendly.



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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 01:21 Edited at: 17th Jan 2013 03:21
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Some seem to think everything you say is going to warrant a slap, why is this?
What's really put me off around here is the users not the mods, there is an attitude of anal seriousness and to be honest its really stifling.
I like to have a bit of fun now and again and in the past may have posted something off the wall, not obnoxious, rude, or remotely against the AUP, and still found someone posting their thoughts on why it should be locked even when mod themselves were having a bit of fun with it...its harmless....get over yourself. For some users it appears they are moderating but don't want to be moderated themselves. I don't mean those who object to actual trolling or offensive posts.

What I see is that those who feel intimidated or oppressed by moderation are usually the first to jump into threads posting their own view that it should be locked or the user slapped when there is no real reason to do so, it doesn't meet their idea of how it should be around here.
Being moderated is not such a big deal and the only way Mods have of telling someone its gone too far and I believe they do their best in this context. If your going to argue with a Mod then as people they are going to react, no one likes having their buttons pushed, particularly on a public forum. One other thing I notice is if this happens and it doesn't look like descending into the playground, the Mods will let it play out before locking.

Different Mods have different ideas of what constitutes a breach of AUP and netiquette and they have their own lounge if they feel something needs discussed before acting on it.

Just like the real world you got personalities clashing in the name of democracy why does everyone think it should be perfect, or better still, perfect for them alone.

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From a business point of view, these forums are in a way TGC’s business card/customer support. So if this is how you want to display your company to the world ok but I would not recommend it. I’m sure I’ll get the slap again but kinda needed to be said."
That's rich coming from someone who doesn't appear to use TGC products and is constantly posting about their own business.

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Keep in mind that our mods are all volunteers... and they do an excellent job at it too personally I've gotten a good laugh out of the conversation mods sometimes have in locked threads!

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Quote: "What's really put me off around here is the users not the mods, there is an attitude of anal seriousness and to be honest its really stifling."


Very much with you on this.

Couple of years ago I was one of the annoying bratty users (some may argue I still am ) but I haven't been slapped for a good long while and I think it's mainly cuz I've stopped taking the forum quite so seriously and just taken part in the discussions that interest me. Far as I can see, the mods are actually pretty lenient when it comes to handing out the punishment, but it boggles the mind how people think saying 'I'll get slapped for this' is in any way helping their cause ... if you know it's a bit risky, don't post?

Edit: Crap, just noticed I'm still wearing my Christmas hat-hat.

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It's not always the mods that get the last word.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=156317&b=2

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Although I agree the thread should of been locked which it was but the tone used to lock it was uncalled for, this is a prime example of being abusive or "flaming" members.

Quote: "It's not always the mods that get the last word.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=156317&b=2"


It could of been handled in a more professional manor or at least a more respectful manor. If someone is wrong thats great close the thread and move on but don't insult them and close the thread. Just un-called for anywhere on the web.
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If you cant tell the difference between actual trolling and a genuine post or even a humorous post, that's the reason you wouldn't ever be a mod.
How it was handled was irrelevant the thread you refer to was asking for trouble and found it, it was stern but deserving of the response, would you have preferred they be banned?

I would have nuked him for being an unfunny prat, but thats the reason I am never going to be a mod.

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Funny how the most outspoken person in this thread has the biggest rap sheet.

And no, I have nothing constructive to add to this topic.

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So your implying that I get in trouble a lot and I'm never proved?

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Quote: "I'm never proved?"

what is this even about of does mean?

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Provoked sorry typo
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One of my Fav's was BiggAdd vs GamerDude where the thread actually got renamed to Bye Bye GamerDude!

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Quote: "In our own minds, we are users before we are moderators. I don't browse the forum as a moderator, I browse as a user.
Sometimes, if the topic is close to our interests we can get carried away, just like any other user.

I think we are usually fair with people if they do over step the bounds of the AUP. If its conducted within an adult and mature discussion, we usually let it go. The locks come out when it descends into a flame war.

We shouldn't have to miss out on the debate simply because we are moderators."


This is pretty much my position as well.

Quote: "I find it interesting that mods contribute to debates on sensitive topics, then lock the thread because it went towards said sensitive topic. "


I find it interesting that yourself and a few others like to constantly "nitpick" at the Mods and their decisions here. I must have missed the part where you've spent years here donating your time to clean things up; often getting harassing emails and threats (or entire websites dedicated to bashing you) in the process. You and the others I'm referring to are welcome to find another Community to frequent if our "heavy-handedness" is too much for you to bear. Let me know if you need help with that.

For everyone else who is curious; I put together a little thing (awhile ago) to help you understand how the moderation process occurs (generally). You can find it here.

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Some good examples of the great work mods do, claiming other peoples work as your own is just weird, good riddance to people like that

Quote: "It's not that simple. Sometimes when a discussion is happening we leave it open so a discussion can happen. It's only when the discussion stops being productive and starts devolving into personal attacks/flames etc. that it gets locked.

It's nice when things are discussed maturely and it is certainly interesting when you see other's opinions on a topic but unfortunately it doesn't seem to last long."


Mods do sometimes allow threads that violate(or dance around) the AUP and only lock if there are personal attacks. If I was a mod this is how I would handle things also.


I hope the mods don't mind me bringing this subject up, it's the kind of thing that can't be commented on in the thread it happened, because obviously it's locked

Also, I don't think it's common for a mod to post on the subject and then immediately lock it, just happens from time to time and seems a little unfair.

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No offense "TheComet" but I find your responses to be trollish or attempting to attack people whom you don't deem fit for your personal world; most of the time, just my observation. I'm not perfect but certain people do provoke arguments consistently and mods tend to ignore them or their behaviors. I'm not implying I'm perfect but I don't like to stir the pot 99% of the time ether. I have steered it a few times in the past like way back but I try not to any more. Again just my perspective, I could be wrong, I learn something new everyday as a developer.
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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 19:19 Edited at: 17th Jan 2013 19:25
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Quote: "One of my Fav's was BiggAdd vs GamerDude where the thread actually got renamed to"


He was a fool of a took.


Quote: "Ok, I see... From a moderator perspective which you have given me, I see things really aren't the same way I interpret them to be from my own perspective, if you know what I'm saying... And honestly, if I have been a blasted pain in the you know what in the past, I truly do apologize. I am kind of the person that doesn't like to admit they're wrong, so I see why some of these issues have occurred. And to be quite honest, I think it's some of the forum issues I have had that have really opened my eyes to the issue and both here and in real life, I have been working on knowing that sometimes I'm just in the wrong and I must accept that. So I'm gonna say it here, not long ago never thought I would, but I do want to apologize for being an idiot to you, being a mod isn't fun and I have not contributed to making your moderation job any better... Same goes to any other mod who I have been a jerk to."


I'm glad you can see it now, and I'm glad you can accept the fact people can be wrong sometimes, no harm in that.

I didn't know you didn't know why you were banned. I wasn't the one who banned you, but from the note left from the mod who did, it seems that was the reason why.


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We cool.


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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 20:23 Edited at: 17th Jan 2013 20:27
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Quote: "No offense "TheComet" but I find your responses to be trollish or attempting to attack people whom you don't deem fit for your personal world; most of the time, just my observation. I'm not perfect but certain people do provoke arguments consistently and mods tend to ignore them or their behaviors. I'm not implying I'm perfect but I don't like to stir the pot 99% of the time ether. I have steered it a few times in the past like way back but I try not to any more. Again just my perspective, I could be wrong, I learn something new everyday as a developer."


It is true, I have been posting meaningless things in meaningless threads (such as this one), and it has been more frequent lately, because truly constructive threads with users actually leading a proper discussion where all parties consider the perspectives of others have become a myth, but never has it been my intention to openly insult anyone.

Feel free to have a look at my profile history, or go and look at the posts I write on the DBP/DBC/DBP newcomers/WIP/Game Design Theory boards. I assure you they are everything but trolling.

I've seen countless threads like these during my time here, and it always ends the same way: Nothing changes.

Threads like these are pointless, and users openly attacking the methods and/or decisions of moderators - which has been done in this thread by quite a few people - violates the AUP. There's no point in doing so.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 20:26 Edited at: 17th Jan 2013 20:27
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I would feel honoured!

The mods on here are the most relaxed I've seen anywhere and it helps the community, it also helps that they're actual members who contribute and not hired goons who don't even read threads until there's a complaint.

In my opinion the AUP is just a safeguard so that you have an excuse to slap someone about if they start being disruptive. There's no place for jobsworths and thankfully on here the jobsworths are rarely the ones with mod privileges.

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Quote: "I've seen countless threads like these during my time here, and it always ends the same way: Nothing changes."


I 100% agree with that statement. Next week this thread will be dead and have zero effect other than a few people feeling slightly better about their self or a boost to someone’s ego lol. I’ve been here a long time as well and I would like to see a better designed IDE that supports main stream languages like Java or Java script. Web games are huge and Eclipse is pretty much the only thing out there currently for web games. So if we get anything out of this pointless thread, I'd like to see a better TGC that supports main stream programming languages and not in-house languages. I have came up with many designs myself for such an IDE but never had the time to build it. I think TGC would see better results if they used main stream languages as well like java or c#. Object oriented languages are not going anywhere and nether is main stream languages like java or c#. The internet/websites are certainly never going away ether. I recommend stop wasting time with FPSC engine which is already outdated by modern standards and focus on things that can easily grow with the current market demand. Dark Basic and FPSC were great for learning but now we have things like Unity, UDK and others far more advanced. AppGameKit was a great step in the right direction, so why not build upon that concept and build something java based for web games or something. Just a thought.
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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 20:59
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Quote: "I 100% agree with that statement. Next week this thread will be dead and have zero effect other than a few people feeling slightly better about their self or a boost to someone’s ego lol. I’ve been here a long time as well and I would like to see a better designed IDE that supports main stream languages like Java or Java script. Web games are huge and Eclipse is pretty much the only thing out there currently for web games. So if we get anything out of this pointless thread, I'd like to see a better TGC that supports main stream programming languages and not in-house languages. I have came up with many designs myself for such an IDE but never had the time to build it. I think TGC would see better results if they used main stream languages as well like java or c#. Object oriented languages are not going anywhere and nether is main stream languages like java or c#. The internet/websites are certainly never going away ether. I recommend stop wasting time with FPSC engine which is already outdated by modern standards and focus on things that can easily grow with the current market demand. Dark Basic and FPSC were great for learning but now we have things like Unity, UDK and others far more advanced. AppGameKit was a great step in the right direction, so why not build upon that concept and build something java based for web games or something. Just a thought."

Why should TGC do any of that? They are a company who make game creation tools for hobbyists. If that doesn't synergise with the mission statement of your executive software solutions corporation then maybe you need to be forward-facing and revamp your current development framework to something that "speaks" to your customer base. Blue-skies thinking.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 21:09
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The people who get offended on an internet forum are taking life too seriously.

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Quote: "Why should TGC do any of that? They are a company who make game creation tools for hobbyists. If that doesn't synergise with the mission statement of your executive software solutions corporation then maybe you need to be forward-facing and revamp your current development framework to something that "speaks" to your customer base. Blue-skies thinking. "


So your suggesting that TGC should not adapt their business model to the current and growing needs of the market or the market demands?
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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 21:52
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Quote: "Why should TGC do any of that?"


This^

And I especially liked this...
Quote: "If that doesn't synergise with the mission statement of your executive software solutions corporation then maybe you need to be forward-facing and revamp your current development framework to something that "speaks" to your customer base."


@old_School,
I think the reason you see things like this is because you won't stop with the "company" crap. I know it irritatates me. I don't mind it when a kid does it, but you're a grown man. And no one here believes you're Bill Gates, not even the kids. If you read the AUP, you'll see that the "company" talk is frowned upon anyway.

You show things you've done and you get irritated when someone tells you what they think about it. You ask for advice, and you ignore it or make up some fairy tale about why you're right and everybody else is wrong. You have a problem with reality and truth.

If my telling you the truth is offensive or "trolling" then I'll take the slap/ban. It's worth it.

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I agree with you xplosys. I usually don't mind business talk, but when its spewed out by someone who clearly doesn't know what they are talking about, it can become very tiring indeed.
The same goes for programming talk, if someone who is a novice programmer tries to pretend to be an expert, its tiring to talk with them.

We can all see through the charade old_School, so how about giving it a rest?

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[off-topic] @ BiggAdd - What exactly is your signature doing?

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Maybe that's the problem then because honestly I think your both full of crap too. Perhaps it could be either I or you simply not explaining yourself correctly or bad perception on my end but I've been here a long time, I have followed your advice before and it was wrong every time according to several outside sources. To be honest, you’re wrong again. I'm currently looking actively for a new career as a developer and every recruiter I've talked agrees the market is moving toward a mobile environment. My suggestion is a great suggestion, it may not be the direction you think people should move toward but it is the direction everyone else is moving toward.

I base my concepts and suggestions on real market trends. Perhaps the source of the bitterness between us is the fact you support TGC products and I support main stream development. Nothing against TGC but I’ve never completed anything successful worth selling or making with their products. Not saying it can’t be done because clearly it can be done, but I’ve never found success with the product. After using professional tools as well, I find the language and tools to be limited and not useful for myself. So yet another reason why we “butt heads” so to speak. You also view me as arrogant or cocky. I would say show me a developer or any business man successful who is not a t least a little overly confidant in their self. Anyone who is selling a product/service has to be confidant in their self. In a way you’re selling yourself and not the product. I don’t know, I guess at this point my answer should be why do I even care lol I’m going to start my new career as a .Net Developer for a private company building SQL databases and building applications for voting machines, so good luck on your ideas as well.
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Posted: 17th Jan 2013 22:55 Edited at: 17th Jan 2013 22:56
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And in the video you posted in the other thread you clearly stated that you're leaving the company you're working at because they're moving to the mobile market. I'll be blunt, that was a very silly decision.

And now you're here parading about how the mobile market is the future, but clearly you don't support it yourself.

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you have two primary markets IOS and Web. In order to develop in IOS you need a Mac which I don't have and have no desire to purchase. Web is great but it's very hard to generate a large revenue selling web based applications. I built up a desktop PC based company, the market has switched. If I want to be competitive, I need to learn a new skill set and change my business model. This requires a lot of investment both money and time. I honestly don't have the resources to do it, so I passed it down to two people who do. One of those people already has established their self as a very successful IOS developer, the other was a successful artist. So basically it was a win win for everyone. My legacy "UOK Software" will live on through their vision. An I can be relieved of the stress of owning a company. I never said changing your business model is an easy task. The fact of the matter though this is were the market is going and you can be in it to win it or get behind everyone else in the move.
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Grr firefox. Anyway yes I stepped down as owner and passed it along to two people whom already have these skills so my legacy of UOK Software will live on. In order to remain competitive as a business I would have to learn a whole new skill set such as IOS. Which means I would need to purchase a Mac as well so add an investment expense on top of the expense to learn a new skill set plus the time to rebuild your business model. I don't have that kind of time, money or desire. IOS is great, just not for me personally.
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Third times a charm, Firefox kept trying to make a new profile. Anyway, yes I am leaving UOK Software. I have already stepped down as owner and passed it a log to two very talented people. John is already an established IOS Developer and David is a very skilled artist. So as a team they make a great pair to carry on the company into the future. I am old lol I developed primary for desktops. In order to remain competitive as a business my only option was web or Windows phone. So IOS in short is great, but its not for me personally.
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