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David T
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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 04:10
Once you have read deep enough into Romeo and Juliet you learn to hate it. I know I do

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yes obviously, which is why i dont moan, BUT we are told to include stuff about the performance about a play, the way they needed to use references to the night to show that it IS night and not the afternoon, but it doesnt flow, watching it properly before reading it deatialedly is better

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 04:16 Edited at: 24th Sep 2004 04:17
and what if you were to throw a play together, and had never seen it before

What if your reviewing a play that you've never seen before.

What if your simply watching a play to enjoy it. I find it very interesting to pick apart things that were good as well as bad. No real 'value' in the end, but good conversational piece.

I'm a believer of watching the play/movie/whatever after reading the book/manuscript/etc.

*this applies to education of course. When I'm doing it for enjoytment, I'd want to watch a play before i read the manuscript But yet, read the book and then watch the movie. However, that sometimes leaves a lot to be desired in a movie

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 04:35 Edited at: 24th Sep 2004 04:36
yes, it does depend on opinion, outside of school i will read a book first or whatever, but in school i want to watch it first!

EDIT: it depends the medium its designed for: shakespeare is plays, while lord of the flies is a book, watch/read the original medium first

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 05:30
That's quite true

Really, it's hard to say which way is better or not in a school setting, and I can hardly claim myself as a teacher or expert on the subject But I still don't retract my statement that them teachers are not quite as big of **holes as some of you would come to believe

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 05:56
lol, yes you are right, i do have nice teachers,

HOWEVER, my english teacher is not

on the 2nd or 3rd day of this yrs 7 she tried to set homework (not bad), but their form tutor told them to tell her they wernet meant to have it, they did so, and she shouted, one yr 7 was still crying after 20-30 mins

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wow... talk about a hot topic! Man.. and you wont believe this sh*t. Today we come into class, and guess what. Chapter 4 of the book, which is about 25 pages, we have to re-write the ENTIRE thing as a "play" IN OUR OWN WORDS. IS THAT CRAZY OR WHAT??????????? And, she gave us about 5-10 mins in class to start, and said its due tomorrow! AND we have 2 tests in her class tomorrow! WTF! this woman is pissing me off

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 10:02
Your unlucky.
I get tommorow off and have little homework.

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 10:10
that's because the book was written into a play and a movie.

she's probably using it as an exercise to learn to write plays, and see how well you do against the original (play/movie).

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Posted: 24th Sep 2004 11:05 Edited at: 24th Sep 2004 11:07
Quote: " in the book he just read to himself what the label said. ON THE TEST, SHE ASKED WHAT THE LABEL SAID! Is that stupid or what!!!! "


Hmm, usually teachers would have a reason to ask such a question. Perhaps it's some type of symbolism (I've never read that book). A pop test sounds unlikely though, I've never heard of such a thing. If a 60 point pop test really occured, then I feel your pain.

Quote: "Edit: Lord of the flies is also 12th grade year too. Forgot about that one."


Read that this year in 10th grade. I enjoyed it.

Basically, anyone in the honors program, especially English and math, is going to have to work their butt off. I know, because I'm doing it now. Heck, 3 hours of homework a night seems like way too much, yet it'll pay off in the end.

Just enjoy school, it's one of the best time of our lives.

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[EDIT] Come on now, Romeo and Juliet wasn't that bad was it? Okay, the English is weird, but it's Shakespeare who really helped develop the English language(Or make it worse?).



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Yeah, about the play thing...maybe its not sucha bad idea, ID SHE GAVE US MORE TIME

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i've always hated studying english.

english lit just ruins the book/poem/story, all the analysis and half the time its wrong. in the words of a poet (dunno name): "I write it cos t sound snice, not for any in depth meaning"

english language: WHATS THE POINT?!?! i speak english as well as the average kid my age, and its not like i wanna become a journalist or a write so my english doesnt have to be perfect. (and besides, my english teacher says she loves my writing style- so why improve. i feel really sorry for my english teacher- i was such an ass in english lessons, and it wasnt even her fault- she just does her job- but i just hate having to study english that much)

the fact they force english onto us for GCSE is just a joke. i'm just happy to be in the 6th form now, we get treated like grown ups, and the lessons are basically set out so we teach ourselves what we want and when.

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Quote: "i've always hated studying english."
I just hate the english artsy stuff.

I mean for artistic things french is the superior language. The whole set-up of french is aesthetic. What's prettier, "La vie est belle" or "Live's good". French hasn't been as screwed around with by pop-culture. But english's still good for maybe a resume or something else, non-creative.

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i agree their, but i preffer languages which dont have so many rules, such as turkish which doesnt have a word for "the", or euskadi (basque) which doesnt have genders, but just adds an i for females and o for males, and by that i mean living things, not having femenine/masculine objects, or even good old english which doesnt have any gender issues full stop.

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Quote: "I mean for artistic things french is the superior language"


*Cough* *Cough* *Splutter*

Say what?!

English is the most diverse and complex language in the world. It has about a trillion different mother languages.

Trust me, forgein people love English poetry. Stuff like-

Quote: "Do not go gentle into that dark night
Strive, strive against the dying of the light"


Evvvvvveryone knows that Shakespeare is the best literature in any language. You should get into it, give it a chance. People didn't just pick Shakespeare to teach in every school. It really is the best.
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Posted: 25th Sep 2004 03:37
Quote: "[EDIT] Come on now, Romeo and Juliet wasn't that bad was it? Okay, the English is weird, but it's Shakespeare who really helped develop the English language(Or make it worse?)."


the play's good but english isnt

Quote: "I mean for artistic things french is the superior language. The whole set-up of french is aesthetic. What's prettier, "La vie est belle" or "Live's good". French hasn't been as screwed around with by pop-culture. But english's still good for maybe a resume or something else, non-creative."


english, french, german and other modern langs are all based on Latin, so they're basically the same, it's the way you use the language, with english you have to make an effort to make it sound good, look at poetry...

@Chris Knott: I agree completely, it may be a challenge to learn, get over it!

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yah, but french is still considered the most artistic and romantic language (other than italian)

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considered, doesnt mean its true

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Quote: "english, french, german and other modern langs are all based on Latin"


Excuse me.. what are you on

German has zero to do with latin. French, italian and about half of english granted - but not German

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Quote: "Excuse me.. what are you on"

have you not seen half my posts...coke!

Quote: "German has zero to do with latin"

well there is some base language that most (or all) europian langs are based on, i have no idea though lol

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Quote: "well there is some base language that most (or all) europian langs are based on, i have no idea though lol"


wif there is a single language then it'd most likely be arabic, since both religeous and evolution theories state that civilization began in the middle east, but before i start another one of those arguements, im going to change back to the subject of teachers.

my favourite teachers in my school are mr slater (chemistry) and mr young (economics). they're both probably the best teachers i've had in my entire school life. they're not afraid to make rude jokes in class. ok, so teachers have been making rude jokes ever since yr 9, but these ones are just obscene, and hilarius, i mean mr young drew a "man lusting after a pig" (his own words) on the whiteboard

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Posted: 25th Sep 2004 05:59 Edited at: 25th Sep 2004 06:00
BTW didn't realize this had gone over a page

Quote: "modern classics"

yeah...i hate those...that is a oxymoron you know, a book is "classic" if it is-
A)Been around for awhile(old)
B)Liked by many readers(not nessecarily recent readers)

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C)seen as having a important lesson. or deep thought. (I.E. "To kill a mocking bird"...great book)

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Quote: "French, italian and about half of english granted "
The only way english is partially based on latin is if that includes slang. So in that case french(with slang) is half based on english!

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I liked that book. I like the shorter novels you read like "The Old Man and the Sea" books like "To Kill a Mockingbird" are way to long to get to the point...

Our English teacher who taught it to us was barely qualified to read the book, rather than teach it, however.

I mean, when handing out reports what English teacher seriously asks "Lets see who got the goodest mark" without a hint of sarcasm...

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lol

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wow i didnt expect this topic to go this far. Maybe i can show my teacher this thread and she'll stop testing us . Haha jk i wish.

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Heh, you sure are lucky, I'm very unlucky compared to you...

Two of my classes I never get homework, ever. There is no homework ever.

One, you get 1 assignment a day, but time to finish in class, and no homework fridays.

Another I get little homework, but when I do get homework, it's alot.. but not hard.

The other is no homework fridays, very little homework ever, when assigned is little and easy.

last is little homework, when it is homework, is very easy, class is laid back.'


You have it goooood.

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lol wtf

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Quote: "So in that case french(with slang) is half based on english!"


...which everyone knows is contrary to the truth...

I dont get homework, well i do, but i have 12 free periods a week which i just go to the library with mates and do the homework there, even so, i probably only use 4 of those periods doin homework, the other 8 is used for eye-ing up any girls around, or goin to the 24/7 canteen (or so it seems like) and gettin some grub.

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Of Mice and Men is a good book if you are remotely keen to get depressed.

Why is one of the education sectors favorite books a sad story about the great depression, murder and injustice?


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IMO the teacher is an ass, the forms average was pulled down to d/e?, that means she failed to teach (this is an honours class we are talking about, not some numb-brains who think "tits" is a cool and funny word), asking detail like that would be a percentage of a test, not the whole thing, and precis on ten pages a time? thats dumb, I doubt Steinbecks structure to his plot was in ten page self contained sections.
teachers are basicaly dumb, thats why they teach instead of doing it, we have an ex college lecturer (retired from teaching at 50) on our staff at work (heavy engineering works), he`s great on theory, but any job he`s given takes (literaly) months and the end result isn`t that good, we have "old boys" (apprentices) that can walk rings around him when it comes to productivity and quality, it`s easy to talk the talk, it`s walking the walk that seperates the wannabes from the do`ers.
now you know what to expect you can stay on top and be aware of what she`s doing, seems to me that she is hiding lack of ability by concentrating on minutae as a way of making herself look good (easy to do when you have time to go through the book and pick your questions), might be a good idea to read the whole book through a couple of times, with luck she will make some unwarranted assumption based on earlier sections and then you can correct her in front of the class

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We're doing "Enduring Love" by Ian McEwan which is really good.

How come none of you study modern books? The oldest book we've studied (apart from Shakespeare) is Snow Falling on Cedars from about 1995.

A modern classic isn't a classic that is modern. It's a new book that hasn't had the chance to become a real classic yet but is clearly of a similiar excellence.

"American Beauty" is definately a modern classic.
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Quote: "...which everyone knows is contrary to the truth..."
Do you even speak french?

Quote: "not some numb-brains who think "tits" is a cool and funny word"
tits..hehehehe....tits..LOL!

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well in 6th grade we studied modern books.

Thanks for the advice mentor, but we just finished the book . BUT i have no doubt about it that this $*#(^&$! is going to do the same for all books .

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heard of english? or a recognisable language? swahili?

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I know only one word in Swahili : [i]Uhura[/i]

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i know none, btw what does that mean?

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It means Freedom

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TobyQuan= the slag off little britain?

yeh but no but yeh but yeh but no but yeh but no bye no but dont talk to tracy right yeh no yeh no cos she only went to tescooooooo with trisha, right, and dont go to paula cos shes a foockin liar

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lol too true

my sisters like that

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I just finished reading the great gatsby and I was ready for my test. I knew the main plot and I though I was gonna ace it.

First question:

"What were the Kiser's cuff buttons made of?"

first thought into my head : oh crap.

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Were they made out of ivory teeth? I forgot.
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Quote: ""What were the Kiser's cuff buttons made of?""


sh*t, that sucks.

HEY GUYS I NEED HELP. We're having another test just like the first one i mentioned, on chapters 3-4. Any ideas on how I should study? Just read over the book? I need to do damn good on this test!

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wow, you guys must have some atrocious english teachers. or horrible curriculum, either way. asking details like that is... well, pointless, and doesn't show that you have a good understanding of the book. it shows that you did nothing but memorize every minute detail of the book.

how about the big picture? do you get any questions asking about the theme? how a character's past affects their actions? EXISTENSIALISM?! HMMM??

(i don't even know what existensialism is)

anyway your "honors" class sounds like a "general" class, and a joke. assigning busywork like "rewriting the book as a play" makes no sense and does nothing to improve your understanding of the material. to study? i recommend taking the book, and reading chapters 3 and 4, taking notes about anything that doesn't have any importance in or relevance to the story. then memoraize that list. sounds like what your teacher's doing..

oh, i figure i might as well ruin the endings of several of the "canon" books you might read.

Of Mice and Men - george and lenny find a farm, they work, lenny accidentally kills the tart, george kills lenny.
Lord of the Flies - kids crashland on an island, turn into savages (except for the main character [forget name], piggy, and the twins [..anderik?]). savages kill piggy, navy finds them and they cry.
A Separate Peace - 2 kids at a sort of a boarding school / military school resist the war. the friend of the main character (i'm bad with names) breaks his leg, and dies when some bone marrow travels to his heart when they try to set it.
Jane Eyre - a bad, bad book. i read 86 pages out of 450 and still got more than 100% on the test. oh yeah. but jane marries rochester. that's about it.
The Scarlet Letter - another really bad book. Hester screws around with Dimmesdale, husband finds out (under another name - chillingsworth), Hester gets scarlet letter, Dimmesdale is consumed with guilt, he and Hester plan to run off, but he dies at the end. As does Chillingsworth. And Hester's grave has a scarlet letter on it.
The Grapes of Wrath - a really good book. Joads crops are destroyed in dust bowl, decide to go west cause they got a "han'bill" that says there's plenty of work out there, grandparents die on the way, they get there and it's crappy, and the work is scarce, and at the end there's a flood and Rose of Sharon's baby is a miscarriage, they send baby down river. favorite chapter - 25, favorite quote from it - "and children must die from pellagra, because a profit cannot be taken from an orange." BEAUTIFUL chapter.
Light in August - bad bad bad AWFULLY HORRIBLY BAD book. Lena Grove looks for Lucas Burch, the guy who knocked her up, and ends up in a small town. Lucas has named himself Joe Brown, IIRC. he hangs out with Joe Christmas, a mulatto with a really f'ed up self-image and who had a really crappy childhood. eventually something happens, Joe Christmas goes all hibbity-gibbity (this is the part i read when i was half asleep), and he's castrated by some random guy. ??!!# WTF Lena has her baby all this while, and then she goes off with Byron Bunch, some flat character who's supposed to be a comical blunderer. whatever. oh and there's a guy named hightower who dies.
The Old Man and the Sea - a short, pretty simple book, that's not too heavy on the symbolism. i liked it. i dunno. but santiago catches the big damn fish and tries to take it home, but it's eaten by sharks, and he's on the verge of death when he gets home.
The Great Gatsby - i like this book. i dunno. the story isn't all that interesting, but for some reason i found myself thinking about it a lot after a read it. also had some really well-developed characters towards whom i really felt a lot of things. can't say the same about a lot of books. umm, gatsby is killed by the mechanic cause the mechanic thinks it was gatsby who killed his wife, when it was really daisy, accidentally, but gatsby took the blame for daisy. cause he loved her.
When the Legends Die - about an indian (native american) boy who is raised in the old way by his parents, parents die, he's alone for a few years, then they take him and put him in school. they try to force him to be a "regular" person. then he herds sheep, and then he rides broncos, for several years. and he comes to realize that that's not who he is, and decides to be his own person, and not what others want him to be. i liked it.
The Awakening - Edna Pontiller, married, falls in love with Robert, Robert moves to Mexico, while he's gone she starts hanging out with Alcee Arobin, and then Robert comes back, and he leaves "--because i love you", and she drowns herself in the ocean. confusing. but i suppose it's about her not conforming to society's demands of a woman and being her own person.
Daisy Miller - bad bad bad, just bad writing. the main character (i read this last week and i can't remember his name, that's how forgettable this book was) gets a crush on Daisy Miller, really named Annie (for no reason i can see), and they go to a castle, and she's a flirt, and then she goes to Rome, and she "falls in love" with some charlie chaplin-esque artiste, and then the main character goes to see her, and she dies. wtf?! a short book about a bunch of flat characters that you don't care about doing things that are of little importance.

10th, 11th, and the first 3 books of 12th grades there. and i don't remember what material Rose of Sharon's skirt was made of, and it doesn't matter, because that's not what makes a book a book.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2004 10:27
I had to read the same book in the 9th grade, I'm a sophamore now, We had to do alot of what your talking about, although my teacher never gave us much work at all, she simply gave us lectures and discussions about the book, I never read it lol! Cliff notes are your friend!

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Posted: 28th Sep 2004 10:57
God dammit... lol. Just read ENTIRE frikkin chapters 3-4, took nearly an hour, damn right i'd better get an A on this test

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Posted: 28th Sep 2004 11:18
"took nearly an hour"

you must be a very slow reader. the entire book took me about an hour and a half. or do you mean you read it VERY thoroughly?

OK enough of that damn DBP fanboy banner. i'm NOT a DBP fanboy in any way. i haven't used DBP in over a year, and i don't really plan on using it again.
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Posted: 28th Sep 2004 11:21
DrakeX-> You must be a slow reader it only took me 15 min for the whole book. I didnt bother reading the first chapter tho cuz we talked about it in class.

So I dont get it... Gatsby shoots himself then he goes to the swimming pool and shoots himself there again??? Then he sees that other guy and talks about shooting himself???
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Posted: 28th Sep 2004 11:25
"So I dont get it... Gatsby shoots himself then he goes to the swimming pool and shoots himself there again??? Then he sees that other guy and talks about shooting himself???"

ahh. this explains how you read OMAM in 15 minutes. zero comprehension.

gatsby is killed by the mechanic. for killing the mechanic's wife. i'll admit, whose wife it is is a little unclear.. but mechanic.

OK enough of that damn DBP fanboy banner. i'm NOT a DBP fanboy in any way. i haven't used DBP in over a year, and i don't really plan on using it again.

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