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Ian T
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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 02:13 Edited at: 4th Nov 2004 02:13
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Eminem... that was funnny... anyone else catch that he lip synced his 'Mosh' song on Saturday Night Live? What a loser

(Sorry this is off topic )


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Yeah he did it on purpose to make fun of Ashlee Simpson.


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LOL. You wouldn't happen to have an extra ticket, would you? (j/k)

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I read that it wasn't actually intentional, but if it was a big joke to make fun of the previous screwup, it kind of makes sense. I stand corrected


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Quote: "The economy is good. The draft is a fictional dream. You run on issues that aren't real, no matter how much media favors you, you lose. Inside as well as out."

The fiscal deficit will affect the economy sooner or later. The tax cuts (usually one way to increase econ. growth) didn't help at all. Then there's crude oil, job outsourcing and so on.


Quote: "The stock market rises on news of a Bush victory, got jittery at the idea Kerry would win. "

The stock market rises on every clear political situation. To know what they have to expect (no matter whether it's good or bad) is more important.

Quote: "Who knows the economy better than the people who make it go?"

LOL, tell that the managers of the silicon valley start-ups of the mid-nineties... or their stock owners.

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@CattleRustler

What are you complaining about? You're in the only safe place left! Anyway but the USA is at risk of annihilation. Having said that, we don't have any oil, so you're probably safe over here.

It's funny, I work in an office full of computer programmers, of all ages. Most are well informed, some are quite ignorant, and I'm somewhere inbetween (I'd like to think, leaning towards well informed). None of these people would vote for Bush, if we got the chance. To be honest, I'm not impressed by Kerry, but he is the lesser of two evils, at the very least.

I've learnt two things about America recently (obviously not everyone, but clearly a 51% majority):

- For some reason, if someone becomes the president, they appear to default to good. They are a good person in the eyes of the american people. They are loyal and just and deserve loyalty, respect and patience. An american present cannot be bad. Conspiracies of wars for wealth, stupidity (stooge puppets), voting corruption etc. cannot be true. It just doesn't happen in the US.

- Americans still play FAR too heavily on the religion card. Any man and his dog and his nan can stand up in public on TV, say "God willing we will succeed! God is on our side!" and the American christian/catholics are all sucked in. I don't believe in god at all. It would be simple for me to program myself to mention god all the time. American christians would be sucked in. How can they distinquish between a good lying wannabie christian and a genuine christian? I say you can't. And to believe that a president, who spends all his time lying to people (as all politicians do) and giving the go ahead for bombings and wars and prison camps, and filling your head with the fear that terrorists are moving in for the kill, ready to activate their sleeper cells and blow up NY when this is simply absolute fiction .... is a god fearing christian, with the backing of the holy lord? That simply makes no sense, and anyone who can justify that to themselves ....... <shrugs> Wow.

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Yeah maybe. People just probably assumed that he was making fun of her, because he's a punk.


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Quote: "Bush is going to do a good job in '04-'08 and restore at least some respect to the USA... there's always going to be some of the hate there, but it doesn't need a reason, it never has"


Honestly, barring major catastrophes, I can't see the U.S. economy as doing anything but booming in 4 years. Bush doesn't have to do anything for it to do that, if Congress didn't pass one piece of legislation, the track is on for it.

The major adjustment after the 90s bubble has settled in. Corporate scandals have been delt with. Businesses are behaving very reasonably. The only thing that could hurt is if the free trade instead of protectionist policies becomes hard to bear.

Quote: "Goes to show, doesn't it? I mean, do you honestly think people would listen if someone started logically defending Bush? How often do people in daily chatter have a go at Bush in a rational manner?"


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Quote: " Yeah, that's another really completely wrong generalization. In polls, youth almost always hate Bush far more than adults do. They're being fed the liberal propaganda more than the previous generation was, and it's working. There's the whole brainless pacifict movement among kids too. No accounting for intelligence "


Well, lets see, my grandfather who was a huge McCain supporter when he was running for the Republicn candidacy voted for Kerry. Seems to disproved your statement. Also, I think it has less to do with liberal propaganda and more with who the Republicans are courting. They, for all intents and purposes, control the American right. They're getting both neo-conservatives and paleo-conservatives by courting to former Libertarians, buisnessmen, and the religious right. Of everyone I know only 3 people voted not-Kerry with 2 for Bush and 1 for Badnarik so age doesn't really matter as much as other factors I think.
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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 02:30 Edited at: 4th Nov 2004 02:35
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Quote: "How often do people in daily chatter have a go at Bush in a rational manner?"


quite often. dont get me wrong. people also dont like kerry over here either. the way i see it, they're both as bad as each other, but kerry transfers his crapness away from killing innocent people abroad to killing innocent babies at home (allowing abortion).

however, even tho im totally against it, i think i preffer abortion, since it'd be on your own turf and you wouldnt need to recruit our doctors to help you out.

Quote: "In polls, youth almost always hate Bush far more than adults do"

if thats true, its probably cos kids care about their future more than grown ups do, i mean, would they be killing the planet if it was their future?

edit: ok, the recruiting our own docotrs.. was a harsh statement i take that back. ill rephrase to "blair wouldnt suck up to you by sending you our much needed doctors."

edit 2: yes, our army was much needed at the time. you see, we had the fire fighters strike at the time, of which the army were our temporary fire brigade, and then you declare war on iraq... then we had to put out our own fires. i must admit, britains been a less clumsier nation since the "war on 'terror'"

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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 02:38 Edited at: 4th Nov 2004 02:39
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Oh nice one America.

What's with this? If the whole world voted on that election it would have been 90% Kerry at least.

Did anyone see the reaction in Parliment? Labour MP's hearts sunk and Blair was like "Don't worry lads, it's not that bad."

He said something like "This won't make Bush even cockier".

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well said Fallout.

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Yeah Fallout, you, the athiest, know the difference between a true Christian and a lying Christian?

I, personally, felt that Bush made a mistake when he went off on prayer and faith in that last debate. So many people believe in this "separation of church and state" myth, I thought he was screwed. Maybe his administration knew something about the voters that gave him the go ahead to address God and his religion in that way. I'll never know, but his stand on things like abortion and gay marriage are very Christian and I wonder how long it will take people to realize that maybe, just MAYBE, he actually believes in what he preaches.


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Quote: "Quote: "In polls, youth almost always hate Bush far more than adults do"
if thats true, its probably cos kids care about their future more than grown ups do, i mean, would they be killing the planet if it was their future?"


No, it's because the youth watch MTV, who tells them that Bush let's murderers and rapists run free as drug users serve life sentences. They watch and listen to idiot celebrities who say they will be voting for Kerry. They watch moronic productions like Fahrenheit 9/11 and believe every word, because it looks like a documentary and it was in the movie theater so it must be true. They are uninformed and ignorant.

Sure, neither candidate is your model president, but what it came down to, I believe, and it was evident in the results, that people just didn't want Kerry for president.


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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 02:46 Edited at: 4th Nov 2004 02:49
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Quote: "What's with this? If the whole world voted on that election it would have been 90% Kerry at least."


the truth is america doesnt care about the rest of the world even though the whole world is in americas hands.

@jimmy: i just hate the general arrogance of bush with his religeon. He reffers to the war on terror as a crusade (that REALLY angered me. i literally paced when i heard him say that) and another time he said "the middle east is crying out to be like our GOD-GIVEN land" well, im not good at explaining things, but if you have a brain, you should work out why that angers the muslim population.

edit: i hope no once misreads that to think i hate christianity. i dont, infact i can safely say i truley respect other religeons as if it were my own.

and to saveconfusion, that was aimed at jimmy's last post on page 3

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Quote: "Well, lets see, my grandfather who was a huge McCain supporter when he was running for the Republicn candidacy voted for Kerry. Seems to disproved your statement."


Individual examples don't "disproved" polls which show the majority opinion.

Quote: " Oh nice one America.

What's with this? If the whole world voted on that election it would have been 90% Kerry at least."


God forbid we have, what, 'independance'. No! Everything must pass the global test! Countries running themselves is wrong! Good grief...

Quote: "its probably cos kids care about their future more than grown ups do"


Tell me you're joking... go out on the street and ask the first kid you see if he really cares about his future. Try it twenty times and tell me the results. It's a culture thing for teens to say they don't give a s--t what happens to the world, sadly enough, but that's how it is.


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So what will happen now ?

Here's my guess :
- Inflation will increase (worldwide)
- USA will close more on itself
- Fear and poverty will increase (well that's already the case, but I think it will accelerate)
- USA will see itself as more powerful
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- Mind the gap -
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Quote: "the truth is america doesnt care about the rest of the world"


Oh yeah. Now to choose your own leader is to "not care about the rest of the world".

Guh


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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 02:47 Edited at: 4th Nov 2004 02:51
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God forbid we have, what, 'independance'. No! Everything must pass the global test! Countries running themselves is wrong! Good grief..."


Its not a totally stupid idea Mouse, after all, the state and actions of the US have a huge impact on the rest of the world.

The comments that some Americans have made on these forums, including yourself, does reveal that knowledge of the rest of the world is rather lacking in some quarters.


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So we let the rest of the world run us? There's no logic in that. The goal of America is not to be some powerful global village. It is an independant country that does not sway when the rest of the world falls into war, despotism, and socialism. America was born independant and if we do not preserve our independance the dream will be lost to the petty conflicts of world mob rule. All because it's not politically correct to jump in the mixing pot and sacrifice right and wrong for a vague perversion of "equality" in that anything goes and standing up for what's right is selfish.


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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 02:54 Edited at: 4th Nov 2004 02:55
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Oh I'm sorry precious Rob.

To the President, America comes first. He will put us first and you last. That is his JOB. Get over it.


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Quote: " So we let the rest of the world run us?"


I did not say or imply that.

Quote: "It is an independant country that does not sway when the rest of the world falls into war, despotism, and socialism"


America is not an independant country any longer. For example, if Opec refused to sell America oil, you would be in serious trouble. And you most certainly do sway if the rest of the world moves - hence the communist scares / witch hunt of the 1960s & 1970s.

The American Dream has not yet been realised, thus it cannot be lost.

@Jimmy

I am well aware of the reality thank-you very much, and I'm not debating it.


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Quote: "Tell me you're joking... go out on the street and ask the first kid you see if he really cares about his future. Try it twenty times and tell me the results. It's a culture thing for teens to say they don't give a s--t what happens to the world, sadly enough, but that's how it is."


they're the type of kids that dont vote

Quote: "Oh yeah. Now to choose your own leader is to "not care about the rest of the world"."


yup, totally. i guess you guys just dont know your own strength on how much impact you have on the world

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I'm not sure what the sentence "If the whole world voted on that election it would have been 90% Kerry at least." has to do with America's independance. It's not like he suggested that the whole world should elect the president of the USA.

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I am well aware of the reality thank-you very much, and I'm not debating it.
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Well I just wanted to clarify for the sake of getting my point across, to avoid being censored again.


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Quote: "The comments that some Americans have made on these forums, including yourself, does reveal that knowledge of the rest of the world is rather lacking in some quarters."


LOL DID YOU SEE THAT GUY?!?!?!?!?! "point to britain on the map, knowing that it is americas closest ally."

he points to korea!!!!

i have to admit, englands just as bad. "point to london on this map of england" the faggots point at either the corner of france that usually appears on the map of the brit isles, or points at scotland.

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Quote: "The American Dream has not yet been realised, thus it cannot be lost."


The first part I totally agree with. The second I do not. If we take our eyes of the goal, we lose it forever.


I'd also like to add that while I will never stop stressing the importance of these crucial things and the horrible damage that could well be dealt to the world by the world and/or the USA taking the wrong direction in the coming years, I do respect other peoples' opinions, and appreciate that they bother listening to my rants .


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Mouse, I think your rants are stupid.

Ooh, Kerry's concession speech is on.
I suggest everyone watch and then bow down... bown down... before the power of DUB-YA.


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Quote: "LOL DID YOU SEE THAT GUY?!?!?!?!?! "point to britain on the map, knowing that it is americas closest ally."

he points to korea!!!!"


Where was that? I must see this

Quote: "i have to admit, englands just as bad. "point to london on this map of england" the faggots point at either the corner of france that usually appears on the map of the brit isles, or points at scotland."


I don't think it's that bad - most people know where london is

(Ask a big brother contestent where East Anglia is, it's a different story)

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Quote: "and appreciate that they bother listening to my rants"


here here!

Quote: "The American Dream"

heh- here we go again- america being this great heavenly place where angels fart love hearts. nations dont have dreams, empires do... oh wait... now i getcha

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Quote: "I don't think it's that bad - most people know where london is "

dude, it was 69% of 13 yr olds living in london that were surveyed!!!


Quote: "Where was that? I must see this"

it was on this documentary showing how the vote relies on the idiots of the swing states that dont vote. (in this case he was demonstrating there ignorance for anything outside of there neighbourhood)

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Quote: "Quote: "I don't think it's that bad - most people know where london is "
dude, it was 69% of 13 yr olds living in london that were surveyed!!!"


I think that demonstrates alot about the London youth j/k

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Quote: "I think that demonstrates alot about the London youth"


Damn townies.

Anyway... Republicans now think "Woot woot we won the popular vote, everyone loves us" when in fact as a race, humans are liberal.

So much of America is so scared of liberals - Aaaah! Big spenders big taxers!!

Loads of small town Americans vote Republican on "God, Guns & Gays" and it actually works out worst for them.
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Quote: "as a race, humans are liberal."


As a race, humans are imperials. The strong rule over the weak. As human beings, we have risen above it. Simple as that. Arguments for liberals' precious social contract rather fell apart when every attempt at making it work fell flat on its face for the very reasons capitalists predicted it would.


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Quote: "As a race, humans are imperials. The strong rule over the weak"


What? Tony Blair has a Heart Murmur. I could beat the crap out of The Queen. They still rule over me.

I'm sorry, Europe is liberal and we get along just fine. I don't get what you're saying. Left wing governments are chosen by pretty much every country in the world.
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that's because of centuries of work..

*think of the pre-gov't days*

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Left wing governments don't work. Ever wonder why they never stand the test of time? Democracies eventually fall apart just like empires do, our founding fathers knew they were the most fragile form of government (at the time). Republics last.


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those days were much better. people came into power via the battlefield, but battlefields were only made when people didnt like the current king.

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Ok, I don't know if this has anything to do with the recent posts; this topic has been moving way too fast for me to follow. I just wanted to change my opinion in my original post in this topic. (It's at the top of page 3)

I just finished listening to his concession (Hmm... Dictionary.com gives me "confession" in the thesaurus... ) speech, and while I'm still impressed that he's not making a fuss over it, I'm now also disgusted as to why he's not. He blamed it on the Electoral College!? He said something along the lines of, "if every vote was counted and if every vote counted, then I [Kerry] would have won." He may not be making a fuss about it, but what a sore loser! Sour grapes I tell you! Not to mention that this is the first time since 1988 that a President has been elected and has the popular vote! Which just goes to show that he still can't get his facts straight, or just that he's lying! You decide.


BTW, I'm probably not going to (be able) respond to responses to this, I've got to go, and my response would show up a few pages later!

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Quote: " Left wing governments don't work"


Wh-wh-wha-WHAT?

How on earth can you say that?

Quote: "Ever wonder why they never stand the test of time?"


They do!

Chirac and Blair have been going longer than Bush.
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Quote: "Left wing governments don't work. Ever wonder why they never stand the test of time? Democracies eventually fall apart just like empires do, our founding fathers knew they were the most fragile form of government (at the time). Republics last."


*doesnt comment on that. i almost did, but before posting thought "TEH BANNAGE" and erased what this paragraph replaced*

edit: lets just say it was based around rome.

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How on earth can you say that?"


By knowing the facts about history.

Name a single large left wing government that's remained stable as long as the US. England when parliment came into power was undoubtedly on the right side of democracy, so don't bother mentioning that.


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Quote: "Republics last."


I dunno, things are getting dicey in the Star Wars movies. Maybe episode 3 will ease my troubled mind.

Quote: "Quote: "As a race, humans are imperials. The strong rule over the weak"

What? Tony Blair has a Heart Murmur. I could beat the crap out of The Queen. They still rule over me."


I'm glad you quoted the rest of Mouse's statement. R E A D it next time.


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bitJericho
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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 03:43
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heh.. i'm sure the exact quote is.. prolly already up by the time I'm writing this

concede means to back down, to drop out, to accept defeat

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Yes, Jerico2day. I know what it means, but I thought that it was interesting that they were grouped together like that.
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Teh Go0rfmeister
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Quote: "England when parliment came into power was undoubtedly on the right side of democracy, so don't bother mentioning that"


heh- we still are. in england democracy's this illussion. the people dont get a say in anything. we're still class obsessed. only the few uppermost class people in britain get a say in aything, which is why fox hunting is almost impossible to get banned, cos its what upper classes do most.

heh, all this bloodshed going on in iraq, and the government finally bans fox hunting cos its cruel. not even to the foxes, but to the hounds that are used to hunt them. woooooooooooow what a logical society we have

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Chris K
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Quote: "England when parliment came into power was undoubtedly on the right side of democracy"


Oh dear.

The two original parties were the Wigs and the Somebodies.

They were The Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties.

So in answer to you're question:

England

I might as well add France just for fun. We both had liberal parties before the US was created.

Of course, I'm not saying we've had Left winged governments in power all the way through, but of course, you're not saying the US has had right wing governments the whole way through.
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Jimmy
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Posted: 4th Nov 2004 03:50
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Was the majority Liberal? Because your claim is that humans are liberal. Yet you mention this Wig party..


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Ian T
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I think you mean Whigs, Chris Knott...?


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Jimmy
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No, stupid, wigs, like the one your mama uses.


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