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Geek Culture / What goes on at Groom Lake (Better Known as "Area 51")?

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Megaton Cat
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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:18
What I mean to say, the way Americans talk in the US, is an adoptation of old English. So I really don't think it's a good idea to bite the hand that used to feed you.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:18
Leys - LEARNT is a word in the American Heritage Dictionary. Admit you're wrong and get on with it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=LEARNT


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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:19
Or anyother hand for that matter .

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Quote: " So I really don't think it's a good idea to bite the hand that used to feed you."


I do, you know, the whole reason united states came to exist? to break away from english rule.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:20
Leys - Read my post before you say anything else. You're just making yourself look even more daft.


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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:21
No actually the latest superconducting ceramics don't need extemely low tempatures. The can retain superconductivity at about 13C or 55F. How ever the ones that also have magnetic properties, the one their using do need extreme temperatures. The experiment isn't finished yet and they won't have published results till next year.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:23 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:27
P.S. Spelling here needs work as well. grammer=grammar

http://www.americanantigravity.com/podkletnov.html
Link to info on the anti-gravity research.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:26 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:26
Jeku, from that same source:

Quote: "learnt
A past tense and a past participle of learn."

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But if i need to "LEARNT" somthing to not be stupid, that has nothing to do with past tense now does it?

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:26
Hmmm....guess I should stay updated with it....glad to know that it doesn't have to be a couple hundred degrees below to work...we've come a long way..and your right, the spelling does need a lot of work.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:29
Leys, you have descended to a new level of stupidity. Admit it and live with it.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:31
Quote: "I do, you know, the whole reason united states came to exist? to break away from english rule."


But it started out as a British colony!



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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:31
Leys, you are wrong. This was his sentence.

Quote: "Look back at this in a couple of years when you've actually LEARNT something..."


You could easily replace LEARNT with LEARNED.

Quote: "Look back at this in a couple of years when you've actually LEARNED something..."


That would make sense, right? Learnt is synonymous with learned. It's proper english. Come back when you've learned something implies past tense. Meaning come back AFTER you've LEARNT something. Geez. You argue just for the sake of arguing.


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oi, i give up, an entire community of people who refuse to recognize an updated language. Guess thats what I get coming to a place with mostly UK people, however i thought at least the Americans would be smart enough to understand their own culture. Show what I know.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:32
Were smarter than you are obviously...

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:33 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:35
This was a 2002 popular science article on anti-gravity and teleportation:

The Probe in the article has already been launched.
Here's the link :
http://www.popularmechanics.com/marketing/marvels4/1288702.html

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Quote: "oi, i give up, an entire community of people who refuse to recognize an updated language. Guess thats what I get coming to a place with mostly UK people, however i thought at least the Americans would be smart enough to understand their own culture. Show what I know."


Oh god... Leys...

Your spiralling into a new field of stupidness...


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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:38 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:39
Thanks Keaz . Spiralling? He's been there for awhile...

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:39 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:43
Quote: "well, if you live in America, then you are just a grade A moron."


This topic is not about you Leys, it's about area 51...
Einstein came up with many theorys that we were not able to prove until the last decade.
Have you ever heard about the theory of relativity? Next you will be saying that Newtons laws of physics is wrong...
Oh and Americans did not come away to break from the English rule, Protestants sailed to the USA due to religous conflicts, not due to the English rules.

Back on subject, Did they not make a so called real documentary of an autopsy when aliens crashed landed and the Government said it was a weather baloon. If memory serves, this was a widely belived theory until the authors of the film confessed it was fake

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Quote: "This was a 2002 popular science article on anti-gravity and teleportation"


Maybe they are working on quantum teleportation, where you break us down in to uh quarks? (what are quarks made up of??) If I am remebering right, each atom has two, if you take one away from the other, say one in the UK and the other in the USA, both will act exactly the same way. The distance apart is irrelvant. Hence on a Gigantic size, you could take every atom in a human body and "teleport" it anywhere instantly...

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:42
Quote: "oi, i give up, an entire community of people who refuse to recognize an updated language. Guess thats what I get coming to a place with mostly UK people, however i thought at least the Americans would be smart enough to understand their own culture. Show what I know.
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Just because it is outdated does not mean it is incorrrect. If you ask me how I'm doing, instead of well I could respond with swell. I don't hear many people use the word swell anymore, but it is still correct usage.

So shut up, your really dumb. Your attempt at dissing UK'ers and US'ers was pathetic and not needed.

Matt

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:42
Another about a gravity theory of Einstein's (yet unproven, but based on his original proof of gravity bending space)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/technology_watch/1287911.html

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James Morgan:

Yeah, That was the roswell cover up... People believed that theory for about 7 years... Scary how people can believe something so strange for so long...




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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:43
Meh. Einstein and Area-51 are boring. Let's talk some more about how cool David Leys is.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:45 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:47
Quote: "Yeah, That was the roswell cover up... People believed that theory for about 7 years... Scary how people can believe something so strange for so long..."


Yup, Roswell. Anyone remember the guy with the mising link between the Apes and Humans. A half monkey half man. I think it was 30 years before anyone found out!!

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I could talk about my love of Dave but all the good things I could say about the subject would take up a good, um wait... How cool he is?

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E pluribus unam. - "Out of many, one." Latin may be outdated but grammatically correct latin is still grammatically correct.

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Yup..People hardly ever use it, but does that mean it is wrong if you do? Anyway, thanks again Keaz .

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:48
The world would be a better place if we just've gone to the old Japanese fuedal era...

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Yep, that had even got a scientific name. The Smithsonian istitute had an Apatasuarus head on a Diplodicus for about 50 years until a kid pointed it out to a museum worker. They are very similar but he notice the difference from a book he had that they sold at the museum.

[Edited for gramma] - I liked her.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:50
Sounds good. Let me go get my katana. ....

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 04:51 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 04:53
wow....a kid noticed it...let me go get my sai's...

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He was 16, but technically not an adult. Well... I talk in here later I've got some coding that isn't programming itself to do.

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Quote: "let me go get my sai's..."


Those things don't work agains't swords.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 05:17 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 05:19
Heh, ok...have fun with it .

Oh, and technically, they do if you have the right knowledge...I'm in a martial art and train with both , therefore I pretty much know how to counter an attack..

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Pretty hard to counter something that's one meter long when you're holding 2 forks.

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lol....nah, like I said..not when you know how to use them...

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Which is like...not many people.

(Plus alot of people focus of swords rather then wacky twin sais...)

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True, True....

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 06:53
Men In Black out near Groom Lake?

Quote: "Men In Black Visit Rachel
As part of the group was making its way from Freedom Ridge toward the Little A-Le-Inn, we stopped briefly at the mysterious Black Mailbox, site of many UFO tales. There, the word reached us from a departing visitor that two men in business suits were seen lurking around the Campbell residence in Rachel, still 20 miles away. This reporter nearly shat in his proverbial pants as he contemplated the implications of that intelligence. WHO WEARS BUSINESS SUITS IN THE DESERT? At best, these must be FBI agents waiting to arrest or serve a warrant on Mr. Campbell, the chief irritant to the military along the '51 border. At worst, they could be the mysterious Men In Black, perhaps employed by a shadowy government agency that knows no rules or even, if you choose to believe the stories, actual aliens disguised as humans and engaged in some sinister mind game.

Not knowing what to expect, we decided that the best option was to descend on the Campbell residence en masse. There were only two of them, our intel said, versus a dozen of us, so maybe we could stand up to them as a group. We motored as a convoy down Highway 375 to Rachel, then took up a position on the opposite side of the road from Mr. Campbell's mobile home. Peering through binoculars, we saw at first no sign of the Men In Black. There were no unidentified cars parked in the vicinity and no obvious indications that the front door had been tampered with. However, closer inspection of the door with our most powerful optical devices revealed undeniable evidence that the MIBs had indeed been there and were on the prowl for our very souls. Wedged between the doorknob and the doorframe was a rolled up copy of The Watchtower.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 07:02 Edited at: 29th Jun 2005 07:03
Another random story from the area:

Quote: "Trespassers Plead Not Guilty
Seven people accused of trespassing on military land near the Groom base were arraigned in Justice Court in Alamo on Jan. 12. Three pleaded "No Contest" and accepted their fines of about $300 each. Four pleaded Not Guilty, and their trial is scheduled for Mar. 2. The four contend that although they did cross the line, it was entirely accidental, the result of confusing signals and a misread map.

On Jan. 2, these seven traveling in three vehicles drove beyond the Keep Out signs on the well-maintained Groom Lake Road and up to the guard shack about a half mile beyond. This was their first visit to the area, and they obviously had not read this reporter's "Area 51 Viewer's Guide," which advises against crossing the line. Trying to follow a crude map to the Freedom Ridge trailhead, the group whizzed past the often photographed sign forest forbidding trespass (and photography) and containing such memorable but evidently unread phrases as "Use of Deadly Force Authorized."

There was no place to turn around at the signs, the intruders claim, and as they passed a white Jeep Cherokee, they said a guard inside waved to them, as though saying "Come on in!" Naturally, upon arrival at the guard house, they were descended upon by a gaggle of excessively armed cammo dudes who were not prepared to give helpful directions and certainly were not versed on any of the social graces. The immediate arrest of the offenders, no matter how old, young, naive or harmless, was apparently the only option available in their very limited emotional repetoir.

This reporter and two other hikers happened to witness the incident while climbing Freedom Ridge ourselves. As soon as we understood what was happening, we aborted our ascent and broke out the telescopes to watch the festivities. The ratio of armed cammo dudes to naive intruders was easily two to one. We watched as the trespassers--four men and two woman of varying ages--stood around their cars for over an hour looking frustrated and confused while tough men with big assault weapons milled about looking equally bored and a bit embarrassed. A state trooper arrived first, followed by Sgt. Lamoreaux of the Lincoln County Sheriff's Dept. Forms were signed, and the prisoners were turned over to the Sheriff for more advanced forms of humiliation.

The intruders were thoughtfully provided with handcuffs and leg- irons (for their own safety, no doubt) and were taken in an Air Force van to the palatial, brand-spanking-new Lincoln County Detention Center in Pioche. This nearly empty, high-tech hoosegow, otherwise known as the Jail That Ate Lincoln County, was built with the intent to house other people's prisoners for profit. That was before the bottom fell out of the captive housing market, and the county now has to scrape for any prisoners it can get.

In this case it graciously accommodated Connie Ruiz, her daughter Sissy and son David, Connie's neighbor Bill Fitzgerald, his sons Kevin and Tim, and a friend Gilbert Narvaiz. Hardened criminals, all. They claim that at the Detention Center they were forced to stand facing a blank wall for over an hour and a half, even one man who had an injured ankle, and were denied the use of the bathroom for many hours after their arrest. They said they were strip searched (because, presumably, you never can know in which body cavity those devious trespassers might be hiding drugs or weapons) and were given stylish orange jumpsuits to wear (as you've seen rakishly modeled by Charlie Manson). The seven wasted away in jail for about eight hours while Bill's wife and Connie's husband three hours away in Las Vegas tried to hunt up $4200 in cash on a Sunday night to bail out their loved ones. $200 more to tow each of the three vehicles brought the total bar tab to $4800 for this very engrossing weekend experience. The adventure was all the more educational for several of the participants had never before seen the inside of a jail cell.

Some hysterical activists might cry "overkill" and "law enforcement run amok." Well, maybe just a tad.

In the meantime, after witnessing the arrest but still not knowing who these people were, this reporter got on the horn to his contacts to tell them about the event. ("Seven People Arrested in Groom Lake Incident," the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported on Jan. 5.) He then headed down the highway to Pioche, arriving at the Detention Center sometime after the prisoners did. The duty officer behind a seamless expanse of bullet-proof glass refused to give any information about the prisoners, even whether they were being held at the detention center at all, so this reporter was forced to wait outside in the sub-freezing night for an uncertain release. And wait. And wait. In his delirium and creeping hypothermia, the reporter was transformed, in a metaphysical sense, from a mild-mannered Bill Bixby into a raging green Incredible Hulk. Alas, when the prisoners were finally bailed out around 4 am, the Hulk was sound asleep in the back of his car and did not get a chance to meet them. He learned who they were only when one of the seven called him a few days later, and the story they told further enraged the Hulk's already green condition.

Doctor, help me. Ever since spending the night in the parking lot of the Lincoln County Detention Center, I have been afflicted by the uncontrollable urge to do violent damage to both the anonymous cammo dudes and the Lincoln County Sheriff's Dept. I don't mean to bomb, shoot, dismember or otherwise physically harm these noble defenders of the law; I want to utterly destroy them at the very core of their being. I WANT TO CUT THEIR FUNDING. I know this is an irrational impulse. Each of these people, as individuals, are probably nice folks, but when you throw together a lot of decent people "just following orders" what you sometimes get, on the whole, is a sadistic monster with no collective conscience or critical judgment.

The case of the seven trespassers has become, for this reporter, a timely symbolic example that dovetails naturally with the fight to save the viewpoints and expose the nonexistent base at Groom Lake. The four who pleaded Not Guilty must continue to make their own decisions, but I encourage them not to go down quietly. At the trial on Mar. 2, they will be accorded all the protections of any other defendant, including the right to subpoena witnesses. The first witness I would call, and that any good lawyer would also want to haul into court, is that cammo dude in the white Cherokee who waved at the visitors as they passed. "What was your intent?" Perry Mason would ask. "Were you giving them an implied consent to enter your area?"

If this well-armed paramilitary force patrolling public land refuses to officially exist, then this is a good opportunity to bring them out into the open. "Could you please state for the court your name and who you work for?" Mason would ask. The Las Vegas press will be present at this promising trial, and even a few in the national corps might be interested in meeting a genuine cammo dude face to face. They are, after all, so hard to pin down in the field, always running away as they do. With a bloody land seizure hearing (or two) expected in the meantime, everyone should be whipped into a glorious frenzy by the time Mar. 2 rolls along. What if the cammo dudes don't honor the subpoena? Then the case falls apart. Implied consent is a critical issue here, and if the government fails to supply this one essential witness, it would be obstructing a legitimate defense.

These four have been crudely treated and are not guilty of the charges against them. Although they did cross the line, they followed each other like lemmings, in clouds of dust and under conditions of limited warning where there was inadequate opportunity to read the signs. The only person who might be seen as having control over the situation was the driver of the first vehicle, who has already pleaded No Contest. The others either were passengers in other people's cars--and who thus had no control at all over the situation--or were drivers of following vehicles who made a legitimate error that any law-biding citizen could easily have fallen victim to. ("The guy in front must know where he is going, and that nice fellow in the Cherokee is waving us along.") The authorities, if they are smart, will drop the case to avoid their ultimate and totally publicized humiliation. If they are not smart (as is common among authorities), then they should be ready to fight a high-profile battle, not to mention the seething greenness of this reporter.

Hulk wants blood."


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Leys, Give it a rest... I can feel my brain cells getting killed off here...

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Where did you get that from Leys?


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Cool

Thats more like it... Post some useful info

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 07:42
Area 51 is so called because the desert in that area was divided into several sections, each meant for a nuclear test. Area 51 happened to contain Groom Lake, a large flat area that was perfect for aircraft testing - so it was converted into a military base.

To put it simply Area 51 is just an aircraf testing facility, Lockheed to a lot of tests there, including the U-2 the Stealth Bomber and the new VOTL plane they've developed. As a lot of these tests went on during the Cold War they were carried out at night, this of course frightened people as they saw a lot of weird shapes in the sky.

The US military encourage UFO stories so that they would recieve reports on aircraft activity, as the US were sacred USSR planes would fly over the Baring Straights, over Canada and right into the Northen US.

Many of the founding memebers of UFO societies were in fact high ranking members of the airforce, or leading government organisataions.

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Posted: 29th Jun 2005 07:44
I belive area 51 is nothing more then a experimental military complex where the us military developed (atomic weapons in the 40's 50's and later have developed stealh bombers / fighter planes and other things that we have yet to see used by our military) i don't belive they have ufo's / ET's or any of that crap inside there. However there are a lot more areas that the goverment uses for other things that have little or no information avalible about them area 19 for nuclear testing suposidly 18,20 for who knows what. 51 is a very well know area its been known about for ages so if it is possible that ET's have landed/crashed/visited they wouldn't be at that location since it is well known.

Sci fi channel had some show on awhile back that had a doctor on it that suposidly worked inside of area 18 he had this piece of metal that he claimed came from a ufo or alien craft. They did test on this material to find out what it was and the test showed that the matrial was not anything know on the earth at the present time (however minerals could be just like plant or animal life since they find new species of insects and aquatic life all the time and planets in the most remote regions of jungles they did not know existed). And the doctor since he came forward with this information suposidly didn't exist the goverment erased his birth certificate and social security number records. Personaly i don't belive in it, proablly just hype for the show but it was a interesting show.

This site has some decent photos of area 51 if your interested also has some bogus (least i feel they are all bogus) alien photos and ufo photos area 51 ground photos and satellite photos.

http://www.area51zone.com/base.shtml

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Quote: "The US military encourage UFO stories"


That's odd, any time I have seen military accounts, they always deny unusual ufo stories, and say its weather conditions, or sky lights, etc... In fact, I can't think of anytime when the US Military has encouraged such stories.

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im the youngest! hence the name.

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http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/research/warp/warp.html - for those interested in the 'Anti-Gravity' stuff.
It is a bad word in the science community, the term is prefered as Gravity Manipulation/Modification.

There has been some work by a polish scientist experimenting with a rare material and super conductors where he discovered that at a certain speed the conductor was making the material above it lighter. That is outlined on that site, I will also try to find the sites about the Star-Trek Warp Drive 'Fact or Fiction' article I was given a year back, as it was an interesting read.

To the point of Groomlake Airbase. It's used by the Boeing-Lockheed Military Division to test experimental aircraft and has been for decades. Anyone who had never seen aircraft like the F117-A Tactical Nuclear Bomber designed to be Radar Silent, or the X-204 affectionately dubbed 'Bluebird' will believe they look strage and alien.

I have no doubt that some of their aircraft tests also involve trying to create aircraft capable of Manipulating thier direction like Helicopters but much more freely. The X-Series in particular are the aircraft that America tried to pioneer the VTOL technology with. They failed, but then the research changed to Ramjets and the projects diversified as a result.

Why is the airbase so well protected? Well think of it like this, if you have an experimental design for something that you don't want anyone seeing would you honestly want people snooping close enough to get images?

If you've ever noticed all Satillite photographs of the area look like the entire base is deserted. They know when these devices will be overhead, and as such base operations no doubt stop, and all of the current test hardware is put into the hangers again.

Why is the base so big? Simple fact of the matter is aircraft testing takes a lot of space. The Rolls Royce Engine test facility that was based in Leavesdon before being converted to a Film Studio, is approx 2x6sq miles large. They were only testing a single type of engine there, there are multiple research facility and airbases elsewhere much larger for the task.

While you can be as paranoid as you like that they have locked up little grey men and are tinkering with thier ship to make their own, this is all a simple fact that the American Government prefers not to hand technology away. If the British Government was the same then Pratt & Whitney would never have been able to create a rivel jet engine to Rolls Royce. As it was the RR design that solved the issue of burning out parts too quickly. Can't remember how or the exact part but I know that this was shared carelessly and suddenly implimented.

Simple fact is it's a testing ground for new aircraft. The Eurofighter 2000 and Typhoon also were developed under similiar circumstances. Difference is our designers can keep thier designs in the air

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THIS IS THE CIA, YOU ARE ORDERED TO CEASE ALL COMMUNICATIONS IMMEDIATELY. THANKYOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.



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Well, first off, it wouldn't be the CIA dealing with security issues, would probably be NSA or HS, other than that...you were believable.

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Quote: "Well, first off, it wouldn't be the CIA dealing with security issues, would probably be NSA or HS, other than that...you were believable."


Depends who you've pissed off doesn't it.
FBI is sent in for a public show.
NSA is sent in if your a potencial breach of security.
CIA is sent in if they want you silently removed.
ATF if they just want to make sure you die... publically.



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I was only joking with you guys, feel free to chat away

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