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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Save & load is finally here! Here are the first screenshots from Menu Extreme!!!

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Lucifer
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Posted: 14th May 2006 23:42
Quote: "I did create my own load/save system, which is in use with my FPSC game, Commander Josh."


did you? does it come with the game?

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No more pictures, sorry (Its the main menu & mission menu, no more menus...) Yes Menu extreme is ready for Music. M.E has something called autosave, it creates files when You have completed a level. Next time You turn off Your comp, and turn it on again to continue Your M.E Game You will start with the level where You finished it, so Menu Extreme has some kind of "Memory" You courld say...


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Posted: 15th May 2006 00:07
i ment can but my pc is slow

i got 5 guns

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Posted: 15th May 2006 00:11
Thanks everybody for Your kind words specially Benji (Benjamin.) Im sure Your menu Is just as good. Now I am really tierd, to many sleepless nights programming. So now I am going watch a movie and get some rest, I am already sleepiZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZng...

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Posted: 15th May 2006 00:16 Edited at: 15th May 2006 00:18
Quote: "did you? does it come with the game?"


Yes it does, there's even a small example of it in the demo. Attached you see a picture of the menu for Commander Josh. the application has a credits screen, links to my website and email, has a menu and logo screens. The level loading system is even crack proof, if you don't have the next level code, there no way of finding out what the code is. Not even through hacking the application or game.

The menu is set up slightly differently then Menu Extreme, but I've got a version also that works about the same as Menu Extreme. But as said before you can't do anything with it at all. I've written it for Commander Josh only. Even if you buy the full version, the menu launcher will be completely useless to you. It's one exe only (compiled C++), the user cannot change anything in it at all. Only I can. But as said before I wrote it for myself, so it's not open ended as Menu Extreme is. I can quickly change it, but someone else couldn't. so it's of no use to you at all.

Back on topic..... Menu Extreme is your only hope for now! I'm not planning on releasing my menu launcher to the public at all. I could if I wanted, just need to make it open ended, but I will not. Mr.Love has put much effort into this and I do not intent to take away his business and compete with him. He desrves full credit and I'm not going to snatch it away from him. There are more then enough people around here taking credit away from others.

I really hope people will support it and buy this, it will be very usefull for your games. At least Mr.Love has shown us some proof of his creation and that's very commendable. I wish all of these other big claim makers would do so also, but we all know they can't.

Mr. Love.... you're the man!

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Posted: 15th May 2006 00:22
This is realy cool. But, you cant sell modifications of FPSC source. Correct me if I am wrong or this is all origional.
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Posted: 15th May 2006 00:32 Edited at: 15th May 2006 00:37
He didn't do that at all (neither did I ). ME is a seperate application that isn't created with FPSC at all. It's a menu launcher that starts the FPSC application.

Quote: "The only things You have to do is to make some very small FPI changes and also write down the name of Your levels into M.Es source code and then compile, easy!"


This is the only modification you have to make in FPSC and that has nothing to do with at all the source code.

By creating an external application, you don't need to do anything to the source code ar have to know the source code. We all know what happens with source code modifications.... nothing at all. No one has done it yet and perhaps no one ever will. All claimed adding save/load functions to the source code was so easy, yet no has been able to tackle the easy job until now. M.E. is just a clever work around and the only one in it's kind that will be available to the public..... until TGC adds save/load to FPSC, but we don't know if they even will do that at all.

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Posted: 15th May 2006 00:58
So let me get this straight.

1) Do you need DBP to use ME?
2) Does each level or mission have to be a seperate exe?
3) Can you save manually or is it automatic?

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Posted: 15th May 2006 01:00
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up Ben.
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Posted: 15th May 2006 02:37
can you post an ingame screenie with the menu open so i can see the option to save?

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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Posted: 15th May 2006 02:42
look at page 1 flashing snail they look great!

so can you put music during loading and saving menus? like in SH and RE that would be cool give us all details and specs

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Posted: 15th May 2006 09:31
Good job Mista Love (Hahaha) Good work cant wait till it comes out il buy it instanly

(Fears Lilblizz's GUNS )

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Posted: 15th May 2006 09:54
Great to hear, Mr. Love.

That said, I'm going in with waried caution. I'm not doubting you as such, I'd just really, really, really like to hear from someone after they get it to tell us it works, and the interfaces and such.

I believe you, Mr. Love, but I've seen a lot of doctored screenshots before--that said, I can't wait to see how it turns out.


Evil has a new name. Demo out now!
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Posted: 15th May 2006 11:26
Benji:
"You can get around this by making very small levels for the demo, like one or two rooms"
Well, pretty funny benji becouse thats exactly what I did, but the files became to big anyway...
"do we need to build each level seperately or can we build all levels into one game?"
You can have many levels in one .exe yes. And this works fine both for storygames like halflife or for a games like SWAT4... And Yes You can change text and buttons.


ChrisB:
"you cant sell modifications of FPSC source. Correct me if I am wrong or this is all origional."

Menu Extreme is an own program that executes FPSC levels. It might work good for other game engines as well! But it is made for FPS Creator...


K Jah:
1. Yes You need Darkbasic Pro to compile it.
2. Yes & No. You can have 10 levels in one exe, that shourld be enought!
3. Its autosave as I said from the beginning...


Thoose questions that not has been answerd yet will be answerd as fast I can...


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Posted: 15th May 2006 12:02
flashing snall:
"can you post an ingame screenie with the menu open so i can see the option to save?"
Its AUTOSAVE Menu Extreme take care of saving behind the gamescreen!


Sunday213:
"Good work cant wait till it comes out il buy it instanly"
Fine then! Maybe You are one of the lucky five that will have it for the half price!!!


Jiffy:
"I believe you, Mr. Love, but I've seen a lot of doctored screenshots before"
Well, I made M.E only for Myself at first, and if You do something for Yourself You really want it to become great! I have been looking for perfection, thats why I will use Menu Extreme for My own games...


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Posted: 15th May 2006 16:01
@Master Mind:

What do you have with that grin?

Hello!
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Posted: 15th May 2006 18:00
This is realy good news, well done.
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Posted: 15th May 2006 18:16 Edited at: 15th May 2006 18:16
Mr Love,
Now you've finally shown proof, ME can eventually get the attention it deserves. Looks good so far, keep up with the nice screenies! Any estimate on the price yet?

Tom

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Hello!
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NestEgg:
"This is realy good news, well done."

Thanks alot NestEgg! Where did You get that name??? (lol..)


Tom0001
Any estimate on the price yet?
No, But Im afraid it can be higher than expected! But it will be lower than buying a new DBP copy from TGC anyway!


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Posted: 15th May 2006 21:24 Edited at: 15th May 2006 21:25
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Now you've finally shown proof, ME can eventually get the attention it deserves. Looks good so far, keep up with the nice screenies! Any estimate on the price yet?
"

Proof what proof anyone can create screenies with a simple paint program.....example...
what we need is a demo......

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Yea, exactly what I said before! But I have told You already that the demos are commin when the demos are ready! Only the originalprogram for sale are ready...


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Mr.Love, i feel stupid... hehe, thats sweet dude. cant wait for a demo or somthing.

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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Thats ok! The good thing with M.E is that everybody wins on it! TGC will sell more Darkbasic programs, I will sell Menu Extreme and Everybody will get Save & Load It courldnt be better!


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Posted: 16th May 2006 01:07 Edited at: 16th May 2006 01:09
Quote: "TGC will sell more Darkbasic programs"


do you actually belive that people will buy a software that costs 89.99$, just so they can spend much time to learn, just to use your program?

do you know what could be done? people could download Visual Basic FREE from http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/default.aspx and spend LESS time learning, they could even look at some free tutorials and get real good in no time http://seangreasley.com/ , from there they could make their own menu, just making some fancy pictures in photoshop and making them as buttons and get a nice backround of the game and such, and using the "ole" tool and some other easy stuff that comes with the program.

then they could make a fancy password system, so whenever you want to play the next mission, the menu thingy program asks for a password and you type something in and lala, you've got yourself a working password system, and that's basicly just as good as your "menu extreme"

So WHY should we pay money for something we could do by ourselves, and dont answer "they would have to learn to use it first blablablabla" and something like that, and IF what you are saying is true, then people would have to buy darbasic pro, then learn to use it, then they could smash something together and get something you could make for free using visual basic.

and if anyone is interested in learning visual basic, and using those tutorials, when you create a new program in visual basic, select visual basic 6 something, so you can use the commands that come in these tutorials.

Quote: "Everybody will get Save & Load It courldnt be better!"


It doesnt look like save and load what you are doing, it looks more like when you finish a mission, the next one unlocks, thats false advertising.

And if i remember correctly, someone was making a program with the same name as yours, and you didnt think twice untill you were posting riddiculous answers, like "i am going to sue you" and some things like that, you dont even have the rights for the name, did you really think that you can make up a name and say it is your own?

That isnt producing, like when you produce something e.g Music, Programs, Games, you have the copyright for them, if you are actually using legal programs to do it.

sorry for all spelling-errors and stuff like that, i dont have time to spellcheck.

juice is made from oranges....

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so you must have darkbasic to use it? (plz say no ) this i saw cool i hope i can use it so 12 levels per menuextream thingy?

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now why cant they sticky things like this , maybe because its not the official save and load? .
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Maybe because it hasn't been released yet?

I'm afraid you're out of luck Lizblizz, it sounds like you're going to need darkbasic (not sure if classic will do) for to work. That's a major set back for many users.

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oh man well im out of here hopeful cellblock releases riker9 i hope he is telling the truth or i cant finish LN well if thats out of luck then players have to play the whole thing withought quiting

The maker of FPSC suck and are retarted to forget save/loading - -

well good luck Mr.love

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Posted: 16th May 2006 04:13
Yeah it's a shame you need darkbasic to use this. I won't be getting it as I don't have darkbasic. I think Mr Love might find lots of people being disappointed by this. Oh well, C'est la vie.

I'll just have to stick to releasing my game in parts...
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This is good. REALY good. Thanks for clearing that up Mr Love. Anywhoo, maybe time to drag out FPSC again.
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is there a way we dont have to have darkbasic? like an EXE progeam come on mr.love you can do it!!! just think how much people would be dissapointed

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I did react in the same way as You when I saw a picture of Darkbasic Pro the first time! But belive Me that program is so easy to use that a blind Monkey can write in the names of Your levels!!! And when some of You gets a bit older You can start mixing with the FPSC sourcecode too! And for You that cant afford it. There is alot (Very alot!!) of good internet stores that sell DBP cheaper than ever! And Menu Extreme wont even be close to €90! Cut that in two and it is Yours! The exact prize hasnt been released yet im afraid. I Myself has not done any programming for 20 Years! I just took a look at all the great examples DBP has, and I wrote Menu Extreme!!! It looks very hard but it isnt!
I promise... (Please read my first post again.)
And remember, Nobody likes quitters!!!

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Maybe some of You shourld have read the first post in this thread! If You do that You wont get any surprizes!

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what about profiles? i mean one person plays the game, wins in about a day, and then his brother wants to play, is there a way so that he wont have all the levels?

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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That wourld be cheating snall. You can easy make a system with cheat-codes! But Menu Extreme is first made for the game-market. Everybody knows that You cant sell a game without save & load, its just a fact! M.E has everything that a professional autosave-system shall have, and if You make a killer game and put it together with M.E, then You courld sell thousends of copies of Your game! If You wourld get that sucsess I think You wourld be happy that You bought Menu Extreme. M.E is good enough for professional developers. And thats why M.E shourld be mutch more expensive than it is today...


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At times your nonsense really makes me crack up it really does. I wonder if you ever did sell a game at all.

I've got some games under publisher contracts, at least 2 of them DON'T have a game load/system at all and yet they sell.... I must admit they're not sold by the thousands though, but by the tens of thousands

But back to the whole issue. If I did own DBPro, I'm still considering buying, I would not buy your M.E. at all. If you own DBPro you can incorporate your levels into any DBPro programmed game and you wouldn't need M.E. at all. If you know how to use DBPro, you can program a M.E. yourself, like I did, be it not with DBPro, but a different application.

M.E. is only a real advantage to people not owning DBPro and who only own FPSC. They're most in need of this and yet they cannot use it all. I really would urge to turn this thing into a full application that everyone can use, regardless of owning DBPro or not.

By taking this route, you have just bypassed your target audience and you've just ensured yourself much muchm uch less income then you could have had.

At times you're reasoning is very hard to follow and doesn't make sense at all. I would really reconsider the release of M.E. and find a way to make it useable for the real FPSC user, not the elite few. That makes no sense.

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Posted: 16th May 2006 17:25 Edited at: 16th May 2006 17:26
Quote: " like I did, be it not with DBPro, but a different application."


exactly what i was talking about earlyer, you can just make your own menu thingy with a password system in visual basic! or any other program that you can do such stuff in...

juice is made from oranges....

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Belive Me, I have still many cards to use if it wourld be needed! Mutch heavyer cards, belive Me...

To answer what You said. Yes everybody can make a simple menusystem, but M.E use savefiles like professional games. I dont think EVERYBODY can implement that with an exe-executor, if that was the case I am pretty sure that everybody wourld have done it! If I just had the time I maybe courld have done M.E DBP independent. They who really needs save & load will get it! (Thats what I think...)


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Yes Pallmanni! You can. Nobody here has said anything else!


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If People here use their brains, there is one way to compile Menu Extreme without BUYING Darkbasic Pro! Just think and maybe one of You will get it!


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Is this a joke? I mean, seriously. You expect someone to buy a program for 50€ and then have them buy another program for $89 or else compile the source code themselves *IF* they have the knowledge to do so?

Ummm....OK.

Save/Load is not a big deal for me, especially a save/load feature that simply unlocks levels. I'd rather have save at any point.

I wish you luck with sales of this program, but you have a strange sense of customer service and sales strategy.

To the others: you don't need VB to program level passwords. Simply use HTML.
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No, its not a joke! It dosnt matter for You couse You dont need save & load. But for others that want to make a game to sell, €50 can be very cheap and they can get their money back pretty soon if they make good games. And Wyatt, never heard about something called trial?

"but you have a strange sense of customer service and sales strategy."

Please, explain Yourself what You mean with this?

"especially a save/load feature that simply unlocks levels."

Well, I did this becouse I like to do mission based games Myself. Never thought about selling M.E in the beginning. Today there are more mission based games in the big market than "save at any point games". I can only say that I wourld easy pay €50 if I courldnt program an lockup executor!


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Quote: "If People here use their brains, there is one way to compile Menu Extreme without BUYING Darkbasic Pro! Just think and maybe one of You will get it!"


There are actually more then one way to compile it. You could use the demo for doing it, but doesn't that have a time limit on it? so that option would only work for a while.

You could also ask someone with DBPro to compile it for you, but he/she would also need to implement the changes you want.

Still I find the way you create a solution which hardly anyone can seriously use a bit strange. It's like the carrot and the donkey....

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It wont work with this donkey.


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wait, how much are you charing?

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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Quote: "No, its not a joke! It dosnt matter for You couse You dont need save & load. But for others that want to make a game to sell, €50 can be very cheap and they can get their money back pretty soon if they make good games. "


Others who want to make a game to sell..... now I wonder how many people will really succeed in doing that.

I guess you're very serious about the price though, but €50 for something that doesn't even work standalone seems.... well I've got no other words for it, seems absurd.

I'm still excited about what you've created and I'm still looking forward to seeing it in action. But the way you present this whole deal and what you dare to present as a suggested price is just absurd.

In essence you saying that your little code (can't even call it an application since it isn't) is worth more then FPSC itself? Please, that is absurd, it really is.

I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure by now you have lost even the few customers that may have been interested.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 00:50
So you realy must have DarkBasic in order to use menu extreame? sorry 4 asking but i want to know from the creator of Menu Extreme...mr.love

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