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FPSC Classic Product Chat / [LOCKED] Save & load is finally here! Here are the first screenshots from Menu Extreme!!!

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code master
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Posted: 17th May 2006 00:51
Quote: "And Wyatt, never heard about something called trial?"


Sure, but then it'll display the 'freeware--made in DBP trial' message.

Besides, It wouldn't take that long to make it DBP independant.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 00:57
Quote: "M.E has everything that a professional autosave-system shall have,"


Well everything appart from actually being able to save and load during the game. A required feature for a lot of fps game types.

If you have to split the game up into chunks it must not be too inconvient for the player to jump back to the begining when they die.

How does it work? Do you just have a series of gane exes that the menu runs? If so how do you stop the player browsing your installation directory and simple running the game exes independantly of the menu?

Plus €50 for a dbpro program that just pastes some images to the screen and runs different programs depending on where the user clicks is a bit over priced. If it does what it sounds like then it probably isn't over 200 lines, most dbpro users could create their own version in a couple of hours at most.

By way of demonstration, he emitted a batlike squeak that was indeed bothersome.
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Posted: 17th May 2006 01:07
People!! Don't be fooled!
FPSC IS recieving a major over-haul at least wait for that before spend your hard earned cash on two programs.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 01:15
Good advice!

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Posted: 17th May 2006 01:22
Indeed it is good advice.

I argued for proof earlier and now I have some screenshots that don't really show anything that constitutes proof. A video would be good. I'd tell you how to do it, but I don't know. Maybe someone here can walk you through it and you can show us M.E.

I think the price is outrageous, but your...whatever this is...may have potential. It just isn't ready to sell yet.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 01:58
$50... you are living in cloud cuckoo land... I live in Australia so $50 US translates to $65 for me... I WOULD have bought this but it's way too much and I don't WANT to buy dark basic pro, never have...

I know you'll just write down now what a jerk I am and justify the price, say that we're all whiny people who 'don't appreciate the work you have done on this professional package' because you don't seem to be able to take any criticism.
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Posted: 17th May 2006 02:09
if its really 50, then youve losta customer... sorry mr. love, but im not spending 50 bucks for a feature that will most likly come out soon anyway, id rather get a new graphics card, but still, hope m.e. comes out and works...

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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Posted: 17th May 2006 03:22
mr.love you never answerd my question

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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:05 Edited at: 17th May 2006 04:05
@Benjamin A
It was Multimedia Fusion was it not that you used? From ClickTeam?

@Mr Love
Untill I see running demo's Im holding judement out. The idea sound's great and the screenshot's show promise but untill I see hard, working copy of a demo I wont be getting my hope's up.

Also 50€... you must be blind. Every day we have request's for free model's and most people here moan about paying $5-10 for a top quailty model pack. You have no chance in hell of getting 50€ for it.

Also it has been mentioned before but Ill say it again, your expecting people to pay for ANOTHER, more expensive application just to use M.E.

Want to head back to the aslyum now?
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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:12
Dont forget everything that I have lost by making M.E. and all the time I have been spending by making this! Also I have to buy a new laptop computer to take care of the web making. Things cost...

Benji:
"but €50 for something that doesn't even work standalone seems...."

Hey! WRONG, it works perfect standalone...

"But the way you present this whole deal and what you dare to present as a suggested price is just absurd."

I know some Guys that wourld have paid more for it! You Guys are to used to buy simple modelpacks, this is something different. You have two options like everybody else. Buy or dont! I will not discuss the price here! The price is set to €49 and if it will be changed it will be changed up not down.

code master:
"It wouldn't take that long to make it DBP independant."

I have other projects going on and I dont have time for that. And if I did this M.E wourld be mutch more expensive than it already is. And Im pretty sure that the Trial dosnt have watermarks...

the_winch:
"Well everything appart from actually being able to save and load during the game."

Also wrong. There are more mission based games in the market today then ever! New games like SWAT4, Delta Force Xtreme use exactly the same save system that I will sell to You. If You think €49 is mutch for this kind of Licence, You are very wrong. And it is not the lines that counts, Its how You solve the probs...

K Jah
Well, Yes they will have to wait couse the website is not ready! So they will have time to think about it, dont worry about that...

op89x:
Yes its ready to sell, Its the website thats not ready. Well a video is a pretty good idea, I will think about it.

Thraxas:
Pretty sad Thraxas But You can have fun with FPSC anyway right!

flashing snall:
Where do You live? In poorest Africa or? Common €49 isnt that mutch!


Menu Extreme! The answer to Your save & load problem...
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Posted: 17th May 2006 04:50
But that wouldnt be fare fun the people that dont own darkbasic pro

Theres got to be a way to make an EXE of menu extream thats my only hope besides riker 9 wich i dought will happen cause theres no proof

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Posted: 17th May 2006 08:30
As above...

Also Mr Love, im afraid youll find 50€ is ALOT of money to some folk around here.

Your abusive attidude towards people will cut your sale's.

You say it's a standalone, it is NOT a stand alone, as you REQUIRE a 3rd party app (DarkBasic Pro) to use it.

Please do not say "Also I have to buy a new laptop computer to take care of the web making" Thats like saying I have to go buy microsoft so I can use Office. It's bull.

Now show us a demo or a video of it working and then maybe youll have people treating this thread with more respect because as it stand's you'll be lucky to get a single sale with the aggressive nature of your post's.

Tal
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Posted: 17th May 2006 09:16 Edited at: 17th May 2006 09:19
Quote: "Hey! WRONG, it works perfect standalone..."


Standalone means you can use it, alter it, build an exe without the need of a 3rd party application. This application isn't standalone, you need DarkBasicPro for it to even do anything with it.

PLEASE NOTE!!!! He's asking €50 for it.... THAT IS $70!!!!

Mr.Love I'm afraid you've lost touch with reality if you think €50 isn't much for this piece of coding. Look at FPSPack, it's $20 and rastaworld spent way more time on that then you'll probably ever will on this. How about Magic FPS? E.C.S.? All stand-alone and more work then your's yet way cheaper.

Quote: "I have other projects going on and I dont have time for that. And if I did this M.E wourld be mutch more expensive than it already is. And Im pretty sure that the Trial dosnt have watermarks..."


The trial version isn't a solution at all, you can only use it for 30 days. So that means you could use M.E. for one game only and after that you would have to invest into DBPro also.

I'm about done with discussing this madness.

As a FPSC user my conlusion about M.E. is as follows: Menu Extreme is a completely worthless application for 90% of the FPSC users. As long as it's not fully useable stand-alone it is an completely worthless piece of coding. I REPEAT MYSELF ONCE MORE: MENU EXTREME AS YOU HAVE CREATED IT, IS COMPLETELE WORTHLESS AND UNUSEABLE FOR THE AVERAGE FPSC USER.

I'm sorry but that's just the way it. Unless you make it fully workable without the need of having DBPro you could have just as well creating nothing at all. I'm even sick of the fact that you stubbornly keep on calling it the solution for out save/load problem, while every can see it isn't at all.

I'm sorry to say so, but your application falls under the same category as Riker9 (which you hate so much). You've created a huge hype and in the end you don't deliver. You're creating something we cannot use at all without the need of an outrages investment. You've claimed a solution, but in the end you give us something we cannot use..... as far as I'm concerned this is just another Riker9.

BUT PEOPLE..... THERE IS HOPE: I'm going to buy M.E. and DarkBasic Pro and for the little amount €50 I will create and complile a fully working M.E. for your game. Before doing so, I need the assurance that at least 4 people are willing to order with me. Now where is the sacarsm button again?

Mr. Love.... in closing. I really do regret supporting you and M.E. from the start. I really do. If I had known you would as such an outrages amount of money and that it's not even going to be standalone, I wouln't have supported you at all. I'm sorry that I did, next time I'll be more carefull in supporting something.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 09:52
I just happened to see this thread and it caught my interest. I have a question for Mr. Love - why would you require people to compile their own copy of the program? I suppose you've designed it to be specifically hard coded to their levels. It would take 30 minutes to add the capability to script the level information from a text file. If anyone wants to see how it's done, click on my sig picture, download the interface demo, and take a look at the files inside the "Scripts" folder. Then, adding information could be done in Notepad, and nobody would have to compile anything.

And one more thing, the trial not only has a watermark, but the FPSC source code requires update 5.9 + the Enhancement Pack ($20)to compile at all. Saying that it is possible with the trial simply isn't true.


Come see the WIP!
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Posted: 17th May 2006 11:48
Alright, I will at least think about making Menu Extreme standalone! The good thing about this is that I dont have to give away the sourcecode!

Hey Lizblizz! I think You are pretty cool Here is a new Nvidia card for You!



Benji:
"falls under the same category as Riker9 (which you hate so much)."

Wrong I dont hate Riker9! I just dont like to see nice people buy lies!
Its only one problem, You cant hate something that dosnt exist!

"I will create and complile a fully working M.E. for your game. Before doing so, I need the assurance that at least 4 people are willing to order with me."

If You did this You wourld break the copyright law! Im happy it was a joke! By the way everybody Who buys M.E must agree with a license by clicking an OK button.

"I really do regret supporting you and M.E. from the start."

I think I know why...

As I said, I will THINK about making Menu Extreme to a standalone program! Im Just not sure how to make the dir files. (Everybody have diffrent file & map names.) I propably can solve this, but it courld come in handy to see how other people wourld have solved this problem...


Menu Extreme! The answer to Your save & load problem...
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Posted: 17th May 2006 13:52
Alright, I took a look at the sourcecode and it shourldnt be any probs to make Menu Extreme DBP-independent! So it will be a Standalone program that anyone can use, not only the "Elite" as Benji said! So be happy! It wont take that long to rebuild M.E! I didnt really wanted to do this, but the customers are always right!


Menu Extreme! The answer to Your save & load problem...
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mr love: im offended, jk. I see that your product is nifty and all, and i see the point your trying to ake, that buying M.E. you will be able to get some extra $$$ in ur pocket, and that 50 (doont know how to get symbol) isnt much for a program. I understand that most products that buy and use ofte were around 50$. But I am not prepared to buy some that (i think) translates into 65$ just to have a save/load feature that tgc, or cellbloc will come out with later.... and oh, i live at Massachutes,,, USA

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Posted: 17th May 2006 15:22
Quote: " Im Just not sure how to make the dir files. (Everybody have diffrent file & map names.) "

Just make the users specify all of the file paths in the script file. M.E. can find the script file in the same location that the M.E. executable is, which will require no path designation.


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Posted: 17th May 2006 17:22
Rumour has it that save/load - REAL save/load, not level unlock, is being worked on by TGC.

Now, before you say, "But it is a rumour" - re-read through this entire thread.
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Posts deleted, slaps applied. Keep your posts on topic, and your rattles in your prams.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 20:28
Wyatt Earp:
"Rumour has it that save/load - REAL save/load, not level unlock, is being worked on by TGC."

That wourldnt be bad! But "REAL save/load" If You can save all the time? Thats almost cheating! And You mean that games like Delta Force & SWAT4 dont have real save & load???


Menu Extreme! The answer to Your save & load problem...
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Posted: 17th May 2006 21:41
Regular saving is not cheating.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 21:47
Mr. Love I'm glad you reconsider some things and that you're going to shoot for a stand-alone version.

Now if we only can get you crazy enough to drop the price

I've heard the save/load rumors also and if TGC adds it to FPSC, you're free to use it as you wish. You could make it so that a level get's only saved at the start of it.

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Posted: 17th May 2006 22:43 Edited at: 17th May 2006 22:45
i hate zombies, they dont exist

okay so i luv zombies, but u get the point, u CAN hate a thing that dosent exist

Quote: "Now if we only can get you crazy enough to drop the price "



correction

Now if we only can get you sane enough to drop the price

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Posted: 17th May 2006 22:46
Quote: "If You can save all the time? Thats almost cheating!"


Are Doom games cheating?

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YA! hehe, i was just playing doom one... goood game

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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Posted: 18th May 2006 01:28
yaaaye great job mr.love and thanks know saveing and loading is finaly here!!! know just think how popular ME and MR.Love is were so cool

but how exacly do you save? like press a button and a menu saving/loading menu or just shows words

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hey whats going on?

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@ Mr Love

Have you thought about this.

Selling your product at $50, getting 10 people to buy because of the over inflated price if your lucky = $500.00 profit for you.

However selling at say $20, getting 30 people to buy because of a more reasonable price, highly likely = $600.00 profit for you.

I would suggest you rethink your price scale for the benefit of yourself, this is just something to think about.

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great mr.love yaaye! finaly theres freaking saving/loading good job.mr love were so so so cool i like the lil way Menu Extreama is made up how EXE and how you did it

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Pretty sad Thraxas But You can have fun with FPSC anyway right!
"


Not sure why what I wrote would make me pretty sad, but anyway...

Yeah I can have fun with FPSC... save and load isn't everything... I didn't buy FPSC because I thought I would ever make a game worth selling, but because I enjoy creating things... Even if you do make ME a stand-alone executable and drop the price I won't be buying this... but if you are charging 49 euros for it (which translates to 82 australian dollars for me) one less sale won't make much difference...

Maybe one day Benjamin A will release his code script from Commander Josh which seems to do pretty much what ME does albeit in a different way...
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Benji:
Cool that You liked My little surprize! No, I wont be crazy enough to drop the price. By the way, whats the name of thoose games that You sold tens of thousends of, and what kind of games is it?

BIG computer Geek:
"u CAN hate a thing that dosent exist"

Not.

Master Mind:
In a way, Yes! It makes the games to easy. But I might admit that I also like a few games with "CHEATSAVE"...

Lizblizz:
Noop, autosave fix it all by itself! If You play a game and walk into a winzone, Menu Extreme creates a savefile so You dont have to start over next time You turn on Your computer. You shourld remove FPSCs Menu though, it is very easy!

Zone Chicken:
LOL! Im not so sure that You are right about this in the reality! The price WONT be changed. But the price maybe will drop after a year or something...

Thraxas:
Yea, Its a problem that €49 is "more" in some parts of the world... If You ask Benji Im sure He will release His script. But it seems to be "quite" a difference between Menu Extreme and Benjis script. But I wourld also love to see it!

As I said, new programs are always more expensive than programs that have been on the market for a while! If You really really cant afford M.E then maybe You shourld wait a Year and see what the prices are like!


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Posted: 18th May 2006 09:23
Mr. Love I don't think you are understanding why people are so angry.

1.You claim to have this application that will contain a save/load option. - Then, you tell your audience that it is in beta format. Then, you tell them it is done but the website is not. It shouldn't take you less than 24hrs to get a vserver and domain name up and running with a link to purchase your product. To blaim the delay of your product on a website is crazy.

2. Screenshots prove nothing. - I could make the same thing better in photoshop.

3. People don't like the price. - Big whoop! It's your decision on what to sell the program for. You're right, buy or don't!

4. You decided to make your program standalone. - Why, because the customers always right? Or, because you were proven how wrong you were over and over and over? Caving shows weakness. But your stuborness showed stupidity and lost you tenure with your audience. They don't want a hero now!

5. Please don't ever tell anyone why you charge how much you charge. They don't want to know they are paying for your laptop or the vserver. they want to know they payed for a program that is everything you said it would be.

6. There is no way for you to copyright this "idea" of a save/load option and I highly doubt that you have the name Menu Extreme copyrighted or Trademarked. The legal agreemants that you have your buyers agree to would never withhold in court as long as your program needs dbpro in order to work. I would make sure that you are not in direct violation of dbpro/thegamecreators if I were you.

7. Last but not least....you are not smarter than fpsc(period) Anything you come out with they are going to beat. They will outdo you in features, price, and certainly customer service. I am sure everyone appreciates the effort you have taken to make fpsc more functional but leave it to the professionals.

Peace.
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lol

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=adamW=:

HI adam! Funny that You droped in here. But please say something that has a meaning here! This thread has worked very well so far and I dont want You or Anyone else to fill this thread with crap!
You are always welcome if You have something important to say or if You have a question about Menu Extreme...


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Holly crap, this is awsome! Is this free?

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omg black terror.

dont assume cause ull make an ass out of you and me!
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Quote: "Mods or Van b Please Email me ASAP my Email is Mike_g_pro@yahoo.com there is some problems going on my profile and fourm account i think it has something to do with hacking!~"


liz, we both got slapped, we both flamed, and we both need to deal with it, dont try to lie your way out of it and say someone has been hacking it... deal with it...

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Black Terror, does 49 euros sound free to you?
read thrad before posting please

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I think I'm in love with Black Terror.

Yes, this is free. Otherwise, you would have had to pay to use this, wouldn't you?

Oh, but Menu Extreme? No. That costs more than FPSC.

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Mr.love, if i were you, i'd take blobs offer...

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=adamW=: your name insults me.

Mr Love(r)(lol): Dude, thats a ripoff. 50 bucks???? Thats a COMPLETE ripoff. Sorry dude wont be purchasing this.
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Well you apologized, sites a bit mind boggling, hard to see, too many colours. Also the menu keeps changing order which is a bit confusing. Other then that it looks like an Okay site.
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€49 Euros for an addon is the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. You just lost another customer. :p

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pallamir or whatever i wasnt lieing i was just guessing what the problem could be cause there lots of hacker now a days -

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Lizz,
You've been noob slapped.I tried to be nice and hint around but you just didn't get it.You have said yourself your account says noob status.Nobody hacked into your account.

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what? noob slaped? i JUST THOUGHT, THOUGHT IT WAS HACKED LEARN TO READ!!! and i didnt say it was noob staut it was at that profile were i takes a while to post. And no i aint a noob so i wouldnt be talking cause i have been here longer than you

Van B or Mods can you help me with my issue please!!! Mos any mod!!!

Good job mr.love and change the price a lil

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Posted: 19th May 2006 03:50
Quote: "Yea, Its a problem that €49 is "more" in some parts of the world... "


Well for indie developers it doesn't have to be... I myself have on two occasions emailed an indie developer directly and explained that the price they're charging is too much for me because of the exchange rate and both times they have offered me the game at an affordable price for me... obviously not EVERYONE would do this but it's nice to know some people out there are not money hungry...

Zone Chicken made a very good point... reducing your price would have increased sales and increased your profit... It's simple economics...I also think your attitude to people here has done you no favours, I personally think you'll be lucky to sell 2 copies even if you dropped the price drastically...
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Posted: 19th May 2006 04:13
Quote: " I myself have on two occasions emailed an indie developer directly"


i e-mailed my friend the other day, showing him a nice pasta recipe..

juice is made from oranges....

http://whatishl.ytmnd.com/ so friggin funny!
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Posted: 19th May 2006 04:49
Oh my god...

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Posted: 19th May 2006 05:01 Edited at: 19th May 2006 05:04
Lizz,
I am sorry if I am wrong.It is just my experiece that is usually the reason for your problem.
I quote you:
"im still haveing problems with my account it says my stautus is noob "
Unquote.
Every time someone has said they are having a problem posting and they think their account has been hacked that is usually the reason.
Once again,I could be wrong.

BTW the amount of time you have spent here has nothing to do with your account status.

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