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Dark Physics & Dark A.I. & Dark Dynamix / Dark Physics Approval

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Omikron
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:37
There was me in a ball of self-pity thinking that I worked long hours!

Well I do, but you lot are insane!

Freddy 007
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:41
Quote: ""I think you all deserve a holiday after this"

No, they're not allowed to sleep before DP is released!"







The Nerd
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:42
Quote: """I think you all deserve a holiday after this"

No, they're not allowed to sleep before DP is released!"

"


Pff... Who cares about the minor details?...

Freddy 007
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:44
Me.


The Nerd
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Freddy 007
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:46
Well, obviously I do...


The Nerd
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:47 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 00:48
Nah.

Okay, I'll stop now...

Xarshi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 00:57
Both of you stop this instant! No more t.v. and go to your rooms!!! I'm sick of no respect around here!!!!


...sorry...couldn't help it

About -10 min. if tgc is nice

well,it'll be released apparently at 1:00am for me. But who cares,I've stayed up all night plenty o' times
Freddy 007
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:00
Quote: "Both of you stop this instant! No more t.v. and go to your rooms!!! "



Well, we stopped it before you started to act like a complete moron.




I'm just kidding.

Well, I'm not watching tv, and I am in my room, so basically what you said has been done... I guess...


Dextro
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:07
1.5 packs of Marlboro... 0.5 to go...
Habatar
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:08
Downloading Nowwww!

Omikron
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:08
Mike Johnson
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:08
It's all live
Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:10
haha. Well there's at least 3 people who got downloading before you could even type those 3 little words Mike.

monotonic
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:10
woohoo

Good work guys

I know the voices aren't real, but they have good ideas!
Omikron
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:12
Aye, I think big claps all-round are in order.

~Big Claps!~

The Nerd
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:14 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 01:15
yay! Just finished downloading it!

Mike Johnson
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:15
One of the biggest problems we have with these expansion packs is with the activation. Please ensure you are using the latest version of DB Pro before installing. When you do install and get asked to activate it's crucial you enter the email used when ordering and the activation code. If something goes wrong with the activation please check you are entering the right information. I've lost track of how many times people get frustrated by not being able to activate something and it turns out to be because of entering the wrong info like the order key for DB Pro or something.
Van B
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:19
One quick note on that...

When copying your activation key, make sure you paste it somewhere like notepad, and make sure it's all on 1 line - with hotmail especially it likes to truncate long bits of text with a carriage return.

Aegrescit medendo
Xarshi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:22
Well I must say,thats awsome. I'm wondering if the dark physics zip has the projects in it and you hosted the projects seperated as well. So why is there two? just in case someone doesn't want to download the plug-in again? And by the way,I'm holding in a scream right now. I'm very very happy.

About -10 min. if tgc is nice

well,it'll be released apparently at 1:00am for me. But who cares,I've stayed up all night plenty o' times
Mike Johnson
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:24
The main installer comes complete with all the files you need and several tutorials and demo programs. The secondary installer is an optional download that contains a whole load of demo projects. It helps those on slower download speeds to get the required files first and come back for the demos when they're ready.
Omikron
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:24
Oh boy, just tried running the Vehicle demo that gets installed with DarkPhysics_v1.zip

It straightaway came up with:

"Invalid PhysX Runtime - check drivers are installed - http://ageia.com/physx/drivers.html"

So it took me to that page, I downloaded and installed the 2.4.4 drivers and then attempted to run the Vehicle demo one more time.

Error: "Invalid PhysX Runtime - check drivers are installed - http://ageia.com/physx/drivers.html" appeared again.

Eeek! Am I doing something silly?

Mike Johnson
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:25 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 01:26
Omikron - look in the Start Menu\\The Game Creators\\Expansion Packs\\Dark Physics\\Tools. Select the Runtime option and install the new drivers. This will sort things out for you. Ageia will have updated their site by tomorrow. There's also several other useful links contained in the Start Menu.
Freddy 007
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:29 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 01:33
Okay. I have downloaded and installed. When I tried to run some of the demos that came with the plugin itself, I was told to install a physics driver from Ageia. Cool, I installed that, rebooted the pc and tried again. Nothing had changed, and I was still asked to install a physics driver. I am sure that I have activated the product correctly, because I can compile the examples, I just can't run them. What's happening?


EDIT: Didn't see last page.

EDIT2: Great, that solved it. Thanks Mike!


Habatar
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:31
Downloaded, installed and activated.

Welcome DP.

Techie Lover
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:36
Just ordered, can't wait to try this
The WhiteDragon
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:37
Indeed, just what Mike said up there. Install Runtime Drivers from Start menu link and all works fine.
I'm impressed with Demos there, good job.

I'm the Peacemaker and the Game Master known in the whole world
Omikron
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:37
Quote: "Mike J: Omikron - look in the Start Menu\\The Game Creators\\Expansion Packs\\Dark Physics\\Tools. Select the Runtime option and install the new drivers. This will sort things out for you. Ageia will have updated their site by tomorrow. There's also several other useful links contained in the Start Menu."


That worked for me!

Lets give this thing a "Test Drive" with the vehicle demo, literally!

monotonic
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:38
Check out the new help files too, there great

I know the voices aren't real, but they have good ideas!
BealziBob
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:45
WOW!

Just,..........

WOW!


Just a casual observer.
Omikron
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:50
This is awesome.

Playing with the cloth simulations.

...mindblowing!

Xarshi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 01:56 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 01:56
lol,the tools were deleted I think. I can't find them anywhere

Hah,nevermind. I installed it in the wrong directory,also I installed the projects in the wrong directory too! two mistakes on one thing! woohoo!

About -10 min. if tgc is nice

well,it'll be released apparently at 1:00am for me. But who cares,I've stayed up all night plenty o' times
GTW
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:03
Hiya

downloaded everything, installed, and .....

its so amazing, i have only one word for your work: Brilliant.

Its all like i hoped it would be and far better, Rick, Mike
and all you guys were right: it was worth the long wait.
(In my opinion even the speed is awesome!)

Thanks a lot for creating such an amazing PlugIn ...
really glad i bought it.

Have a nice day and take your well earned rest, howlong
you need to ...

Bye, says a totally excited and satisfied

GTW.
Cloggy
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:15
I don't appear to have received an activation code for this yet. I ordered it Monday and have been able to install but not activate. How long should I wait to get a key?

Cheers,

Cloggy
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:19
@GTW

hope they don't take a holiday before my download has been approved
Richard Davey
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:21
Quote: "I don't appear to have received an activation code for this yet."


Send me an email (quickly) and I can sort that for you now before I hit the sack. rich@thegamecreators.com - I need to know what email address you ordered with.

Bite my shiny metal ass
Spaceman
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:29 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 02:30
# Endusers who purchase Dark Physics from TGC can create non-commercial games with PhysXâ„¢ support for no additional fee
# If an enduser wants to commercialize a game, they must complete a standard license contract with AGEIA

OOOPS???? :-(

Computers are humans too!
Techie Lover
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:29
you couldn't do a download approval too

Really can't wait to try this
Xarshi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:35 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 02:41
the cloth goes slow on my pc and the 6dof joint and the character controller well,actually,I'll give you a list of played examples that go slowly!

Here they are:
character controller
banner
cloth ball
multiple cloth objects
6dof joint.

But then again,my computer sucks.lol. I've only gotten to the 6dof joint thing.

Edit: Actually,I'm starting to think its just gravity...

About -10 min. if tgc is nice

well,it'll be released apparently at 1:00am for me. But who cares,I've stayed up all night plenty o' times
Richard Davey
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:35
Sure.. I'll do all pending orders now (as long as they are cleared to go.. no fraud flags up!)

Quote: "OOOPS???? :-("


Not really, this has been known from the start and isn't an issue in most cases (i.e. won't cost you any actual money)

Bite my shiny metal ass
Techie Lover
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:37
Thanks Rich,

really appreciate it, as you guys have been working so hard on this.
Mike Johnson
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:40
Benny53 - The character controller demo loads in a particularly large FPS Creator level and all of that is constantly drawn which is going to slow things down. It certainly isn't the most optimal demo and with a better prepared level that demo should run well for you.

The cloth demos can be intense but there ways of improving performance. For example, you can use damping on a cloth to bring its movement to a halt faster. This will help as less work is needed to process movement. It can also help to scale things down and work with smaller objects as less data is used.

As for the 6DOF joint demo then if it's the one I'm thinking of then only a few objects are on screen so not sure why that one should run slow. Can you see the frame rate? What kind of speed do you get?
Xarshi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:49 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 02:49
Huh,well,turns out it was just seeming to gravity. I get 30 fps(normal for my computer ) on pretty much everything but the first particle demo(collision),that is actually slow because of the amount of particles

And with the character controller,I knew that was going to go slow because of the media from the start.lol.

About -10 min. if tgc is nice

well,it'll be released apparently at 1:00am for me. But who cares,I've stayed up all night plenty o' times
Richard Davey
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:50
Benny - be sure to check the resolution the demo is running in too. Some of them are fixed at 800x600, others at full desktop, etc. For optimal speed you could try changing it to 'full screen exclusive' mode at something like 1024x768, or 800x600, which should help.

Bite my shiny metal ass
bo75
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:52
It's christmas time, yeah it' christmas time on the 1st aug. Somewhat genius, very very hot!!!
Mike Johnson
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 02:52
Benny53, the default emitters are probably a little too high in the particle collision demo. Try changing the number of particles ( the 2nd parameter in the calls to make emitters ) from 256 to maybe 100. That should help to increase the frame rate a lot without impacting on the visuals too much.
Xarshi
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 03:07 Edited at: 2nd Aug 2006 03:08
Yeah,I'm getting some smooth stuff. I didn't change the resolution,but I shall. With the ragdolls demo its funny watching them fall. I set the gravity to -30 to make it look right

Heh,and the emitter properties one stopped responding,never actually started,so its down in my little bar. Tried ending the process and everything,but it just likes being there

About -10 min. if tgc is nice

well,it'll be released apparently at 1:00am for me. But who cares,I've stayed up all night plenty o' times
Techie Lover
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 03:09
WOW, looks and runs fantastic here.

well done TGC, well worth the wait.
Eirik
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 03:09
From AGEIA PhysX site :

What Does It Cost?

The AGEIA PhysX SDK is free for non-commercial use. Standard pricing for commercial use is $50,000/title/platform. Licensed developers who implement PhysX accelerator support in their PC title are not required to pay this fee.

How will this affect titles produced using Dark Physics ?

BTW, I'm very impressed by the demos and the capabilities of this extension but am I woried of the price tag with no reason ?
Fallout
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Posted: 2nd Aug 2006 03:10
I've definitely noticed already that the demos aren't a good example of FPS speeds. They are a good example of functionality and usage, but I would suggest nobody loses heart when they see 15FPS in a demo. For example, the bridge demo crawled on my compo which worried me a bit until I turned of shaders and reflection and then it ran so fast I couldn't actually see what was going on. Similarly, some of the ragdoll demos seem a bit slow, but I switched off the frame limiter on the one where the ragdolls drop out of the sky all over the place, and got between 80 and 300FPS, normally around the 200 mark.

So at the moment the performance looks pretty damn good! I remember seeing a newton demo where 2 ragdolls falling on top of each other dropped the program down to about 30FPS. No sign of any problems like that in DP. 20 odd rag dolls falling out of the sky and it was all running fine.

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