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The ARRAYinator
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Posted: 12th May 2007 21:43
I don't have the 3d gamemaker but from what ive seen and heard of it I would honestly stay away from it. I mean at least use a supported product like fps creator or darkasic. Yea darkbasic will take some learning but so does anything. Im sorry if this sounds harsh but its drag and drop so it shouldent take that much time should it? In all seriousnous i understand what its like to be just starting out but your time is much better spent using something that is supported and will let you do what you want and also have the satisfaction of really saying I made this where in reality from what Ive heard about the gamemaker is that its pretty limited and it generates most of everything for you. Not trying to sound harsh but if your even a slight bit serious about making games do your self a favor and learn how to program or at the very least use fpscreator. Trust me it is so much more flexible and even more rewarding. Good Luck!

zavix
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Posted: 12th May 2007 22:52 Edited at: 5th Jul 2007 02:37
I'm starting to get sick of this FPSC junk.


FPS creator does a terrible job with monster horror.

I need more than zombies.
I need real monsters to make this game.
not just zombies.

sorry for that. but that's just what happens when a person is driven off world's end.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
Tom J
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Posted: 12th May 2007 23:02 Edited at: 12th May 2007 23:04
I believe that T3DGM is bad - my friend bought the lite version of it wondering if it would be the same quality as my version of DBP - he hasn't touched it in ages. But if you want to use it for ease of use, then that's up to you.

zavix
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Posted: 12th May 2007 23:08
Quote: "that's up to you"



good point.

like a lot of people do, I believe that people have choices and rights, and that they can be given the right to do Whatever they feel like doing.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
Julius Caesar
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Posted: 13th May 2007 01:35 Edited at: 13th May 2007 01:38
OK, good, simple ideas for a game. I hate to ask, but how old are you? Are you balancing this project with exams? You could make this game idea so much better if you would just download the free DBPro trial.

Download a few games made with DBPro. Hell, have a look at my game made with DBPro, just go to my WIP, "Rimia, Action FPS"! You will see that with DBPro, much more is possible than with the 3D Game Maker. You will be greatly rewarded for having spent longer to learn something.

Download DBPro, and type in:


There. Less than a minute and you have your first program. Press F5 and you will see your cube. There is tonnes of support for DBPro.

Email me: lewis.yates@btinternet.com

I will help you to get started on DBPro if you like. Seriously, you will never have anything nice thought ot said about you if you stick with T3DGM. Everyone here thinks it is for lazy people.

I think this could turn out to be a good FPS. You just need to put in some work to make it different, code-wise. You could use entirely stock media and still come up with an awesome game!

Good luck!


zavix
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Posted: 13th May 2007 02:16
the game isn't ALL stock media.

I got both model packs for free with T3DGM.
I don't know why. but I gave my thank-yous to Lee for it.

anywho, my age is classified info. but i'll tell you that i'm under 18.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
Natflash Games
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Posted: 13th May 2007 14:04
Those model packs have been free with T3DGM for years.


Check out my site for the latest on my games.
Opposing force
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Posted: 13th May 2007 14:34
Quote: "FPS creator does a terrible job with horror"


Yeah right. Have you seen Butter Fingers entry for the Nvidia competition? Or Demon Sun by Creator of zombies? Both FPSC games and both top quality Horror games.

zavix
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Posted: 14th May 2007 01:32
I meant horror as in giant, bone-crushing monsters and stuff

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Posted: 14th May 2007 04:24
So like big and dangerous enemies, not necessarily horrifying right?

meh. Bigass => badass. Just make sure it has lots of HP and hits hard.

Do pick up DBP soon as I trust you will inevitably grow an acute boredom of T3DGM. All in good time...

zavix
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Posted: 14th May 2007 18:56
Quote: "you will inevitably grow an acute boredom of T3DGM."



NOT

why do you people dis-respect T3DGM?
I ain't got any programming skills, I have DBC, and T3DGM is the first product I ever got from the store.

not to sound harsh but it's the truth.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
Julius Caesar
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Posted: 14th May 2007 19:49 Edited at: 14th May 2007 21:48
Programming isn't so much a skill, more a knowledge. At least, at my level this is so. I suppose if you are a genious, like the forum celebs (Lee Bamber, BatVink etc...) then it is a skill, but at most of our levels it is just something we have learned. It does not evenn require great maths abilities!

If you are prepared to put work in to make a game, you get a lot of respect from it. If you put little work in, you get little out of it. It's as simple as that.

None of us can tell you what to do, it's your game, but, general consensus is, that you can make a superiour game with code.

I understand how you feel about code, it can seem daunting, but it is actually a whole heap easier to understand, once you have messed about with a short piece of code. You start to understand it.

I started with DBPro at Ok, I wont post my age then!. There is no real age boundraries for it. I have spoken to people as young as 10 who are using DBPro.

You seem like a mature person, who could definately deal withe the complexities it may throw at you.

By all means finish this project first, and I wish you luck with it, but perhaps use DBPro to amke DoD 2? I would be prepared to help you with it, just email me anytime!

Good Luck!

zavix
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Posted: 14th May 2007 21:42
what's DoD 2?

I appreciate your help, but I don't have DBpro, and I'm savin' up for model pack 6 of FPSC.

although, I guess I can use whatever I have left over from my 100$ to get DBpro.

how much is it?

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Julius Caesar
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Posted: 14th May 2007 21:50
I got it from amazon, I think it goes for about £25, but I am not sure!

Sorry, got a bit of a mix up, I meant HoE 2(Hell on Earth!) Sorry about that, dunno where DoD came from LOL!

BTW, I never knew the forum did that if you post your age! It's really clever! But anyway, there is tonnes of support for DBPro, so I reckon you at least try the trial, even if you don't buy the finished product!

zavix
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Posted: 14th May 2007 21:54
*pained* ohhh...

I can't download any apps off the internet.

I'd might as well wait until I return from Roanoke Island.

UNLESS, there's a zip. version of the trial.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
Monsterlords Dev
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Posted: 15th May 2007 06:11
haha




Free old games.
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com


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Zombie 20
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Posted: 15th May 2007 08:05
Zavix-I have just read throughout this whole thread and i must say that i'm happy you would hold fast to what you want to do.

However, after viewing everything, i would suggest moving to a more powerful app. But the choice is always up to you so I wish you best of luck and lets see this game finished soon.

zavix
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Posted: 16th May 2007 19:56
I'm doing all I can.

but T3DGM is STILL the choice.

my programming skills aren't good, and FPSC is for more realistic stuff.

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vorconan
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Posted: 16th May 2007 20:02
I'm just confused why you said that FPSC is no good for horror. Do you really think that 3DGM is better? I think not. You're programming skills don't need to be good anyway, my DB skills are really bad in my opinion, yet I can still create an FPS rather easily.
zavix
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Posted: 16th May 2007 20:12
which program do you use?

DarkBASIC or DarkBASICpro?

I have DB classic and I can't even make a scorpion for a 3rd preson adventure game I tried to make

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The Nerd
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Posted: 16th May 2007 20:55 Edited at: 16th May 2007 20:55
Quote: "I have DB classic and I can't even make a scorpion for a 3rd preson adventure game I tried to make"


The key is to start small, and set realistic goals for your current knowlegde. Programming skills don't come just like that You'll have to work for it.

zavix
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Posted: 16th May 2007 20:56
yes.

I need to install the "I support learning curriculum" thingy.

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Posted: 16th May 2007 21:00
Did you use any of the "automatic" commands, like "set camera to follow object" or the like? I find that they suck . It's always best to design your own system because then you have absolute power.

Shadow heart
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Posted: 17th May 2007 07:29
zavix,
is there going to be a demo soon? if so when.

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
zavix
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Posted: 17th May 2007 18:42
there is a demo of the BETA edition.

look on page 3.

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Shadow heart
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Posted: 22nd May 2007 03:00
i played it it was fun. i got lost lol. but dude you need a few more enemies in rural areas of the level. but dude you need to get FPSC, the 3d game maker is just so limited, you need to get FPSC

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
Bizar Guy
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Posted: 22nd May 2007 04:54
I have both DBC and DBpro. I more often use DBC, and they're mostly the same. The major differences are that DBC seems to be more stable, but far less powerful. There's a lot more you can do in DBpro, but you wont notice it if you're new to programming. You can achieve amazing graphics in it, but you really have to work for them. It can easily outdo T3DGM with it in every way, even without striving for great graphics.

DO NOT START BY LOOKING AT THE TANK, JETSKI, OR SCORPION DEMOS!!! Those will totally boggle your mind if you don't know how to code. I reckoned the Sliding collision demo. That's what I got started with, and if you can learn that and the step by step fps tutorial, you'll be on your way to coding this type of game. Even if you don't switch to coding for this game, if you want to keep making games, DBC is the way to go. One of the biggest advantages to newcommers it has is the tons of great sample code. Then, if you get really hard code about game making, get the latest version of the language (currently DBpro).

zavix
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Posted: 22nd May 2007 17:51
shadow heart, I already have FPSC.

search black tsunami or terrorstrike 2 for some of my projects.

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 26th May 2007 00:28
I always found that DBC would slowly begin to lag. Dunno why. I was a diabolical coder at the time. The program would start at 55-60 FPS, and by 5 mins in it would begin to stick at 25.


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
Shadow heart
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Posted: 26th May 2007 01:17
whoops, ok dude. my badlol

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
zavix
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Posted: 10th Jun 2007 03:25
bizar guy, I will follow you're advice and try out my milestone start on sliding collision and the FPS tutorial and see what I get.

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MR elevetor
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 15:16
Quote: "I'm trying to get "the movies" so i can make a film out of this game. with it, I can make this whole into ALL-OUT WAR!!!!! rather than one robot fighting the legions of hell alone. "

if you want help with the movies just ask me cuz im a master

I dont want you to die....I just dont want you to live anymore....BTW: I´ve xbox 360 and maybe PS3 soon and you probably dont nyah nyah nyaah!!!
Silvester
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 18:33
If you want to make Cutscenes with the Movies,good luck.Unless you have the explosion expansion pack.and knowledge of importing your own characters/scenes into it.

Game King
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Posted: 11th Jun 2007 18:46 Edited at: 11th Jun 2007 18:48
Looking good. Good luck on the cutscene thing.


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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 10:42
Hey Zavix,

Let me start off by saying this game was rather fun to play. I mean, it's not commercial stuff, it's rather short (and just running for the sake of whatever gets you quite far in the game) and pretty basic overall, but it's about the feel, and the game played - how to put it - surprisingly well.

Then for the comments, your comments to the comments and the comments to your comments on the comments: First of all, TGC Forums, as they put it, suffer from deep, dark flaming dwellers who absorb happiness from people who dream. Okay, nine out of ten times they are right, but whatever. Let me flame the flamers. Listen: next time you do a project - don't post Paint drawings. You can't use them (unless as sprite, and this one wasn't usable neither) - so unless you get a 3D model, or a 2D sprite: Don't. Post screenshots - that'll do much better.

Thirdly: T3DGM, FPSC, DBC, DBP - whatever, I think we should be allowed to post every true W.I.P. here. T3DGM games are limited, so what? The creator chooses the language, not the audience. If you feel comfortable with T3DGM for whatever reason, great. I find it good to see someone standing for the program (however limited it may be).

Then, finally, for your attitude. Hell On Earth might be a fun game, and I have no comparison for T3DGM - but believe me, keep to this and you'll be fine, with whatever language, creating whatever game, on whatever forum.

* Thou shalt not rip.
* Thou shalt not swear.
* Thou shalt not boast thyself.
* Thou shalt not post fake, unrepresentative or unusable content.
* Thou shalt not speak of future riches.
* Thou shalt not present thyself as a CEO of a large company.
* Thou shalt not present an incomplete WIP, as stated by the rules in the WIP forum.
* Thou shalt not create a fake or uncomplying team-request.
* Thou shalt not be impressed, overwhelmed or intimidated by flamers, and shalt take lesson from the errors made.
* Thou shalt be honest about the state, future and creation of the game.
* Thou shalt take fair critic well, and shalt reply to these in a fair, mannered way.

* Thou shalt write English in the best way thou are capable of.
* Thou shalt be honest, open-minded and friendly.
* Thou shalt thank any fair criticaster or commenter and reply.
* Thou hast the right to remain silent.
* Thou shalt remain silent if not interested in a project.
* Thou shalt not give unargumented critics, or try to break ones spirits.
* Thou shalt not whine for screenshots, unless justified.
* Thou shalt not comment on content thou hast not seen.
* Thou shalt listen to the moderators publically.
* Thou hast the right to question any moderator through mail, and receive reply within a reasonable timeframe.

Guess what's up with the thick ones?

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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 20:20
Quote: "T3DGM, FPSC, DBC, DBP"


what about play basic?
or omega basic?

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tha_rami
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 20:23
Yeah, those too, and you forgot DBC Enhanced v1.13. You get my point, I suppose.

I think you should work on your social skills a bit.

zavix
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Posted: 12th Jun 2007 21:22
that's what i'm learning in school.

not now though.

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zavix
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Posted: 16th Jun 2007 18:46 Edited at: 16th Jun 2007 23:51
soz.


I figured out how to make characters in DBC.

use the media browser.

this means I have taken the 1st step to making a TPS.

yay!

Also, I'd like to say that 3DGM isn't as limited as you think.

I mean 3DGM lets you make FPS games, 3rd person games, flying games, driving games, and kid games.

FPSC just lets you make FPS games.

you CAN upload your own media to 3DGM. I uploaded a cylinder thing to it as a player.

so next time before you say

Quote: "T3DGM is limiting"


Stop and think of the diff.

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Posted: 17th Jun 2007 13:10 Edited at: 17th Jun 2007 13:13
Quote: "I mean 3DGM lets you make FPS games, 3rd person games, flying games, driving games, and kid games."


zavix, 3DGM is very nice and all, but to be honest with you, when you compare it's graphics and flexibility with DBP and FPSC, it looks basically worthless. Yes, 3DGM can make "FPS games, 3rd person games, flying games, driving games, and kid games" - DBP (and DBC, for that matter) will let you make just about anything, anyway you want it done, as far a genre goes, and it'll look a whole heck of alot better than something made with 3DGM. Sure, you have to learn how to code, but it's worth it.

True, FPSC is limited to FPS games. I was under the impression you're making an FPS game. Let me ask you, if you're making an FPS: Which will yield better results? FPSC, or 3DGM?

Finally, you said a ways back (or in another thread) that you can't model cause you don't have software. There's free software for that. Try Wings3D It's as easy as modellers come, it's free, and you can actually make decent looking stuff with it.

Good luck on your game. You obviously want to finish it, so keep it up. Everybody's got to start somewhere, guys.

"Variables won't, constants aren't."
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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 01:05 Edited at: 18th Jun 2007 01:07
I can't download it 'cuz it's an exe. I'm not allowed to download exe. files.

OK I'd like to say another thing too.

sure 3DGM is sorta pathetic. but not everyone knows how to program or likes FPS games. and 3DGM lets you make TPS games without getting worked up over programming and/or cartography skills. I have 3DGM and I love it. (K not like "In love" with it) plus it's excellent for beginners and others alike.

I use it to make horror games and other cool Third Person Shooters.
and I'm also using it to make this game too.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 02:11
You can't download cause it's an exe? Can you download .gif files? I'll rename the file to whatever.gif and you could change it back then. That would prolly work.

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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 03:34
hope u can go for this.

to the ones thats trapped inside of you, this is it!!
zavix
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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 04:08 Edited at: 18th Jun 2007 04:27
I really don't understand.

but the reason I can't download exe files is because it's probably an installer.


I ain't installing things on the com.

Quote: "if you're making an FPS: Which will yield better results? FPSC, or 3DGM?"


honestly, I don't really use 3DGM for FPS games that much. sure FPSC is better at making this, but I don't care. I mostly use 3DGM for games like Space Wars.

So my hands are tied. 3DGM is my choice.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
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usually installing things help...

Hello
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Really, you don't install things, wonder how you got Windows and T3DGM... But besides, zavix, good luck on Hell on Earth - it was kinda fun to play, now just work it out. Show us what T3DGM can do, eh?

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Posted: 18th Jun 2007 23:10
You guys, he's probably not allowed to use installers without permission because he using somebody else's computer and whoever that is doesn't want it randomly messed up.

"Variables won't, constants aren't."
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never said he wasnt. Just said it helps Good luck with this game dude. Hope you finish it and do well on it.

Hello
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 03:31 Edited at: 22nd Jun 2007 03:32
Quote: "3DGM is very nice and all, but to be honest with you, when you compare it's graphics and flexibility with DBP and FPSC, it looks basically worthless."


well, think about it.


what about non-coders

what about people who don't like FPS games.

3DGM is what that's for. not everyone likes to spend hours coding or likes FPS games.

and t3dgm fixes that issue with it's ability to make TPS games.

besides, I used DB and I got results crappier than t3dgm.

look at monster hunt. that game (no offense) is worse than a game made in 3DGM.

so please. be nice to 3DGM. I made up this law of game making and I live by it every day.

Use all forms of creativity. no matter how simple it is.

I don't care what they say. T3DGM Rules!!!
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Posted: 22nd Jun 2007 03:44
Quote: "besides, I used DB and I got results crappier than t3dgm.
"


*Ahem* You do know t3dgm was made in dbc right?

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