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Puffy
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My lil code there should fix it...

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Posted: 13th Jul 2003 06:35 Edited at: 13th Jul 2003 06:37
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Thanks, yeah, it's possible to just see the seams if you look close enough but who's going to stare at the background in a game that long anyway?

Edit: Just saw Puffy's post, I'll give it a try

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ohhh.. my post got some responce.. thats nice to see more screenpictures please I just love to look at them

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Actually Exeat... =P leave mipmapping off.... so Set Texture 1,2,0 ... =\ I didn't look closely enough yesturday... but that one works perfectly...

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More from us. (For those that don't know, Minimark and I are in a secret allegience making games and planing to take over the world )

EDIT: My website don't like direct linking. Heres a site with the pics: http://www.freewebs.com/jellystudios/sivara/index.htm

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i used one of the .x models in dark matter(theres a whole folder with skyboxes and spheres)Yours looks cool exeat thanks for the code!

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Posted: 13th Jul 2003 13:40 Edited at: 13th Jul 2003 16:27
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In that case you need to use Puffy's code and it should fix it. Thanks for the compliment.

Quote: "Actually Exeat... =P leave mipmapping off.... so Set Texture 1,2,0 ... = I didn't look closely enough yesturday... but that one works perfectly..."

Yep, worked a treat so I can now remove the added 2 units to the plains which will in turn stop that tiny bit of distortion you don't notice. The end result however is no different to my screenshot so I guess either way works although yours is that little bit more effecient.

Should also mention that the command is now: "Set Object Texture 1, 2, 0" in DBP incase anyone was wondering lol.

Edit: Forgot to attach the new code (maybe Rich should put the Source Code field in the edit page also) so hopefully this will work:



Edit 2: I can't sepll either

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*Shrugs* I was close ... =P I just was looking at your code... tried to fix your problem... o_O and I did... read my sig... you know its true...

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You better believe it

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=P hehe... oh yes a new screenshot... with better textures/shadows... you can see where the waterfall river and creek are goingto be...

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beautiful!!! what does it look like on ground level??

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=\ It looks better from groundlevel... only problem right now is the skybox doesnt match the textures on the matrix... so I'm making a new skybox right now ... ^_^ I'll give some screenies from ground level when I put the river, lake, and waterfall in... not to mention a new skybox...

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Some real nice looking projects there guys .

About skyboxes:
I'm about to post a link in 3D Modelling with a new seamless skybox - it's had the UV's scaled down to give a 1 pixel border - means you never get those annoying lines, and does'nt need overlapped sides or special code.

I reckon the cheapest and easiest way to make skyboxes is to use Terragen.


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o_O Thats what I use... =P My textures used to be different so the skybox and the matrix don't look alike in that picture... I'm generating a new one right now... everything is maxed out so its taking a really long time per side...

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Ditto, I used Terragen for the screenshot on the previous page.

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Cool - Terragen is a life saver. I wish I could use Vue Du Esprit for the skyboxes, but it's not as easy - maybe one day .

Puffy,
How are you making that landscape? - I mean, I'm guessing you make it with memblocks, but is it 1 big object?. I'm working on the terrain for Stoked2, and use memblocks to make 8x8 tile segments which are added to 1 big model - then I have a basic occlusion system that only shows the surrounding limbs. Just wondering if anyone else is thinking like me.


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Correction... that right there is a classic heightmap... I take a 100x100 8bit image (the size in that pic)... then I blur it to smooth the matrix out... (the code does this) and finally I set every pixel to a tile... and set white to heigh (2048.0 is the max in this case) and black to low... (0...) then the matrix is created... You will find that using matrix's is a much easier task than models... you can just edit the tile height when you want something to happen... ;P you know... like an imapact by a comet.... ^_^ ask me if you need more help...

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So basically you

1.)Take 100x100 8bit image(or whatever size)
2.)blur it (how do you go about doing that?)
3.)set every pixel to a tile

I'm a little confused on that myself. I'll have to do a little more research I suppose .

That heightmap really looks awesome though.
I'm eager to see from the ground level perspective.



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Here's an early shot of Stoked2, only been working on the engine for a couple of days - lots more detail to be added.




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Looks awesome Van-B.

A great improvement graphically over stoked 1.



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sweet

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Van B... o_O Do you know how to change the textures to your liking in Terragen... like loading actual pictures???... Oh yes... and if you need any help just give me a shout... ^_^ That looks really good... I'd love to help... OH YES... I have some improvements over that pic I posted... like a waterfall/plants/water in the river and lake... =P Now I'm working on reflections... ...

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Oh yes... and Van B... an easy way to give a sort of shady lighting effect would be to normalize the object... I think... =\ as I remember from the matrix showcase it kinda makes a matrix shimmer... =P could add an interesting effect... ^_^ Plus don't forget heat waves...

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Quote: " Correction... that right there is a classic heightmap... "

Lol, that's what Terragen's main use is for although I wish there was a way to use the surface maps to texture a matrix based off a Terragen heightmap because that would just kick ass. Especially as it would essentially allow you to have your terrain exactly the same as your skybox.

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Thanks guys,

Puff,
The object is normalised, it calculates all the normals before making the landscape object, it's just that normals don't show up very well on that texture and the ambient light is still at it's default. There will be lots of smoke and dirt effects, on that level you'll leave a trail of dust behind you, sorta like a rally game - but I'm planning on having muddy levels too, I'll try and get as many different weather conditions in as possible .

Your terrain sounds cool, please post another screenshot of the waterfall when it's finished.


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^_^ Oh I will... o_O In one of your levels be sure to have some kind of "Sand Storm" warning... so if they don't wait they get a time penalty... just to show off some particles ...

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Yeah, there will be more deserty levels too - like big sand dunes that you need to keep control of the bike on (sand is pretty terrible to ride on, bike keeps sliding from under you). There'll be an explosion of particles when you wipe out as well, if I get my ragdolls working it should look great with the rider being thrown down a hill, kicking up dust all the way until he lands in a heap with his knee's back to front . That style of level is more for freestyle riding, a few racetracks will be carved into each level and the rest will be rougher off-road bits - a problem with Stoked is that the levels are so huge that you don't really get to explore, there'll be lots to find and do in the sequel. I reckon reducing the fog range and rolling some dust particles over the hills would do the trick. Maybe even make it so you have to avoid the sand storm for as long as possible, like a survival mode.


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DarthPuff - Have you got a 3D (3DS,Cinema4D etc) version of your logo, by any chance ?

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=\ I used to ... the background was made in 3DSMaxr3... I'm sure I could make one pretty quick...

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=P Oh and Van-B... you could make it so they can break there bikes right?

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Sorry, I meant your avatar by the way... If you've got one, any chance of e-mailing it to me ?

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Quote: "nPower - thats an electrical company...
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Are those the guys who made that awesome Flash cricket game? Boy that was a great game.

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Not unless our electricity companies are diversifing...

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What did youn use to make that city juso????
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Hey thanks for that little command. Fixed two problems that have been killing me.



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That looks much better... its running faster too... ... Ugh... actually I do MrTaToad... =\ but I'd rather have raven make me a new one...

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Okay

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Quote: "Not unless our electricity companies are diversifing...
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They must be then unless this is a different nPower: http://www.npower.com/ o_O

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Puff,

Yeah, you'll be able to buckle your bike, not break it up as such, but buckle the wheels and snap the suspension - the bike will eject the rider and go flying off cliffs etc .

I'm getting about 140fps in a 1.1 athlon with a GF2, not too shabby considering I have over 12,000 bushes on the terrain.


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As I had not really tried out the 2D stuff I thought I`d try a puzzle game, heres a work in progress shot:



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MrSevenHands,

I made buildings with TrueSpace: all 50 buildings are in one object with about 20 textures. Cars and people are from DarkMatter/GameMaker. Other things are done also with TS (they are all separate objects which I move from street to street where camera happens to be).
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thanks! looks good BTW.
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Juso your city looks awesome. What FPS does it run at on your comp?

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It run at 40 fps in patch 3, but it dropped to 20 in patch 4
Im waiting patch 5..6 or else I have to decrease number of objects in screen somehow. I have 1400 MHz AMD and Geforce 2.

Here is one more shot. As you see traffic lights are working!

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At runtime the camera flew around the matrix no problem at a framerate of 70fps with a lot more quality than a cropped & compressed jpeg.

No power? Hah!

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sweet city juso, are all the people are moving about too???
how big is the city???
nice shot kev, did you do that with your matrix editor??

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Yep! Finished the editor this morning, made a quick test matrix.
Unfortunatly I'm not good at textures, it could look better.

*stares in awe at the matrix higher up* How is that possible?

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Juso that's amazing...If I remember correctly GTA 3 only ran at 30 FPS so 20 isn't really that bad considering all that it looks like your program is doing at once

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Juso, I think the sheer number of people in the scene could be slowing the game down. I.e. If they're high poly then they'll slow it down a lot, from the distance you're at they shouldn't be more then about 200 poly each however if the player went closer up then the LOD could go up to about 1000 polys. That may be one solution to your speed problem

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