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Gibba gobba
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hey last time I checked the tgc store i noticed that bond1's entire horror section is gone! whats going on?!

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Silvester
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 09:26 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 09:26
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Because that counts as 18+ content, which is not allowed on the TGC store. FPSC has recently gone over a revamp from the ESRB... Which is rather dull in my opinion, but oh well. Nothing we can do about it.

EDIT : Silly typos.


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Hmmm, so what happens to those of us who downloaded them and then in the future might need to reinstall them?

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crumbaker
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wow, so no verify age requirements or anything like that? Just gone?
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Quote: "Hmmm, so what happens to those of us who downloaded them and then in the future might need to reinstall them?"


i want to know the same



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I want to re-download my zombies, shroudling, and all that.

But I cant.

If bond re-uploads them to a different folder, with 18+ modifiers, then I still wont be able to download them.

If I was over 18, I still would have to re-buy them, because the TGC store isn't smart enough to recognize that it's the same object, in a different folder.

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Ridiculous, weapons and other things that cause injury or dead in a game.
Are still on sale in the store,without aplus 18 rating.
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 15:57 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 15:59
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it would appear.

Hopefully the issue will be properly resolved.


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I think an age restriction system is being done so hopefully they'll be back with an 18 rating. This is just speculation I'm sure bond will know better.



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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 16:06 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 16:19
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Don't hold your breath about them being back on the store anytime soon, I hear the ESRB is a pain to deal with.

I don't know if I'll even be able to sell them as a model pack at this point, which I had hoped to do. It was a large sum of money to just get Model Pack 22 rated by the ESRB at their lowest tier, and if that has to be done for each and every "gore" pack, well that just doesn't make financial sense for either me or TGC I think.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 16:10 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 16:12
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Nope. Doesn't seem like a good course of action.

When TGC decides what they want to do, things will hopefully stabilize.


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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 18:07 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 18:07
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awwwwww, those zombies aren't even gory! I'm so happy I got a lot of them before this happened but still, I really wanted that wall zombie...

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WOW..I am soooo glad i got my bid in.. maybe Bond1 should sell his models on a different website..i bet he will make a lot of money..just a thought...A note to Bond1...Please never stop making models like the ones that have been removed from TGC store.
Bond1, I Will always be your #1 Fan! I hope all have a great day.

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michael x
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i agree with tanya. well i guess it is best to make your monsters in packs. but im so happy i bought every character from the store and i got back up. but bond1 is not only monsters thats gone. i have a site in mind but saying it here might get me in trouble. well i wish the best of luck to tgc and everyone.

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I have to say I'm fairly concerned about this. Great models like Bond1's zombies attract new customers to sign up for GCS and that's to the benefit of all artists involved.

I agree that the zombies really weren't what I would consider to be gory either. With some of Bond1's "Urgh!" voice-overs they were borderline camp (in a great way). Really, in so many cases, it's all in the context of the game an individual develops as to if the result is "mature content" or not. Sheesh... what if someone wanted to make a game about the rewards of befriending ugly people or something LOL.

IMO, the ESRB is just a big mafia organization. They just show something to a random group of busy-bodies for a few minutes and ask what they think about age-appropriateness then charge the developer big bucks. Then you have the EAs and Activisions of the world putting out very violent WWII games (not gore but realistic, motion captured deaths, etc) and getting teen ratings while some silly zombies are 18+? Give me a break. I wish TGC could just have the tried and true "content subject to change with online use" disclaimer and be done with it.
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I agree with Errant AI, this was really a real issue for me.
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Errant AI, you hit it right on point there! it's just not fair.. when you tell us we can't have or buy something like Bond1 stuff..it just makes us want it more..casing point..i have a game called "GTA" for all that don't know what game I'm talking about it's called Grand Theft Auto..I love that game! reason being, i like doing drive bys..in the game of course..i know the difference between right and wrong..lol..for games like that i always get my brother got it for me..Errant AI, people just might try to remove your stuff too for having big Guns with fast bullets..lol.. I hope all have a great day.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 23:31 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 23:32
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For smaller companies like TGC and freelancers like me, it's just feels like bullying from the ESRB. Here's the thing, all it would take to protect kids would be an 18+ disclaimer on the page, and it would accomplish the EXACT same thing as an ESRB rating. But no, ESRB wants a large fee just for a logo that says the same thing.

I'm still waiting to hear back if the Model Pack 22 rating will cover all future content. But I wouldn't be surprised if ESRB wants a separate fee for every pack of new content - and that just won't happen. It's too big of an up front cost and too much of a gamble for a new, unproven model pack.

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2009 23:43 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2009 23:53
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feels like bullying?

It is bullying.

What authority do they have to even demand the rating in the first place? They're way out of their lane re: modelpacks. MP22 isn't sold in stores, advertised in magazines or on TV. These are the things which retail outlets and media hide behind (or cower in the shadow of) the ESRB. I must be missing something because I just don't get it.

edit: It should cover all future content. ESRB doesn't charge a fee every time someone builds an anatomically correct furry in Second Life

I guess they could always make a seperate FPSC-TEEN version which doesn't have the store or the ability add content
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I dont even trust ESRB any more.
The problem is my dad does

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i say why does the stuff has to be rated anyway. doesnt fps as first person shooter come to mind.that what this program is for. its down right pointless. why tgc store out of so many others. i guess tgc is making that much money that the ESRB feels they have to jump in. but i guess horror mod better watch there backs. make too much money from something then someone else comes around and wants a piece of the pie. its like paying taxes every time you make a sale. but game companies deal with this war alot. back in the day midway mortal kombat got a big slap on the risk. they payed good money to keep the game shelves. plus loss money from the ordeal cause kids could not just go out and buy game. its like saying you can only buy one piece of candy but if mom or dad buy it for you you can get more. bad for business but good for ESRB. like Errant AI says Great models like Bond1's zombies attract new customers to sign up for GCS. but video game has been getting a bad rap for a long time. i would hate to see GCS go side ways cause of this. cause the worst could be violence meaning weapons like guns. not just blood and gore.so yes Errant AI your right word for word. we should be concerned.

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Yeh, I remember when I was thirteen and I tried to buy Halo 2. I walked up to the counter, and the guy said I couldn't buy it because it was rated 16+. So I turned round towards my dad, gave it to him, and he "bought it", with the money I then gave him...

Isn't it kinda redundant when that event is actually legal?

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Quote: "Isn't it kinda redundant when that event is actually legal?"


It's a parent's right to decide what their child is allowed to play/not play. Not the right of the retailer or whoever. Retailers use ratings enforcement to avoid lawsuits.

Random memory but when I was a kid and wanted to see an R-rated movie I remember being able to get in without an adult but had to have a note (with phone number) to give them. They would then just call parents to get verification and even put you on an "ok to watch" list if the kids parents asked for it. It was pretty sweet because subsequently you could just go watch whatever movie and if there was any flak, just say "I'm on the list sucka!"
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Bummer, they should however implement an age system, that way at least us over 18 can still get a piece of some of the stuff

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It all boils down to Bad Parenting. Lazy parents who want the evryone else in the world to monitor there kids for them.

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I wonder which is worse, bad parenting or no parenting. But yes, I guess due to a serious lack of parenting, there are more and more rules forced upon us to try to protect our children. While I'm sure that in most cases the intention is good, I have to question the intelligence of those who make them. That, coupled with the rampant abuse of a greedy legal system gone mad, makes for some stupid rules.

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looks like I will be trying to sell my models on turbosquid instead of this unless it changes. This is game creation software not a game I don't understand why it's even rated by the ESRB.

First the fpsx10 lack of support, now this. TGC seems like they don't want any of my money. Again catering to becoming a larger business while forgetting the people that have actually paid for their product.
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Crumbaker, I understand your frustrations.. if i was you.. i would fill out the Survey and let TGC know dissatisfied you are with the service. just a thought. I hope all have a great day.

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crumbaker You hit the nail on the head

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Curious. Why doesn't bond1 just sell them on his own. If I remember right, quite a few people on here use to do that before the TGC store opened. I think that a pack of his would sell like hotcakes. This is just my opinion.
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Quote: "This is game creation software not a game"

Exactly, and come to think of it this makes no sense to regulate 3d media through the esrb.

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Ya man we need a revolution against ERSB!!!!!! I have a PLAN This is what they did to us This what is going to happen to Them Just joking!

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No seriously this is not right....

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This is just stupid!!!

The ERSB putting age ratings on 3D art is just rediculous!

Does this now mean if i want to sell a scary drawing the ERSB will put a silly rating on it!
Im completly with Errant AI this is Bullying!!!
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Does this now mean if i want to sell a scary drawing the ERSB will put a silly rating on it!"


Despite being a grammar Nazi I wholeheartedly agree. It's completely stupid, My mother is an artist and does nude paintings: Let's see the bloody ESRB putting an R18+ rating on her fricking coffee table.
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Quote: "Again catering to becoming a larger business while forgetting the people that have actually paid for their product."


This has always been TGC's modus operandi.

Word of caution: Members have been banned for not saying the right things about their products.

I know this for a fact.


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To Bond1

Will you be able to sell your models through another site since they have changed the terms of your agreement? I had put off buying only because I wasn't to a stage in my game making that I needed to include character models yet. I assumed like many that we could buy them later as needed.


To everyone else,

I think the rating system is a marketing tool that they have adopted to appear more main stream. Unfortunately it is expensive and restrictive.

I now believe TGC do not see FPSCreator as a legitimate Game Creation tool but as a game itself or as entertainment software only. That will cause some problems of its own. An age disclaimer is perfectly acceptable instead of resorting to ESRB, especially for a company that primarily sells online.


Just my thoughts,

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Quote: "Word of caution: Members have been banned for not saying the right things about their products.

I know this for a fact. "


This is not correct. Banning is done on members who choose to make the forums a less enjoyable place for the many hundreds of members who get along just nicely. You, however, have been banned yet again for misuse of duplicate accounts.

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What I would like now is a statement from TGC concering the ESRB ratings and why they are taking that path. Also what they plan on doing, if anything, to support the freelance artists who supply their product with great media which brings in more customers for them. I think this is fair since they, themselves, have brought this upon the community, TGC Store and the freelancers such as EAI and Bond1.

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Hi

This certainly seems something to be covered in the newsletter. Any chance you could clarify how this will be addressed in next months issue?

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Quote: "What I would like now is a statement from TGC concering the ESRB ratings and why they are taking that path."


I assuming that they don't want to get sued from parents who'll say that models like that should have an 18 certificate.



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What is his previous account's name?

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Woah, woah, woah, let's not get off track here. TGC has no say in this "path", it's not like it's an option. ESRB are the ones cracking down here. TGC is doing all they can to comply, including putting up the initial fees.

The official response from ESRB is, that if the content is comparable to Model Pack 22, then it will require a separate rating and additional fee. Zombies can't have blood or bones sticking out, etc. The solution to this in my mind is - make the packs kid friendly, then offer "unrated" texture versions upon request directly from me. Kind of like what I did with Model Pack 4 when it first came out.

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This is unbelievable. I don't understand why this is even happening. TGC is not advertising, and they don't even sell games!
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I can see what you're saying bond1 but again this is game creation software not a game. Is it being rated because they want to start stocking this at eb games or a similar store? My guess is that it is something like that, because otherwise there would be absolutely no need for this to have a rating.

I can understand TGC wanting to make money, but hurting your base that has been loyal despite a real lack of support (lets be honest the mods and modeling community are what keeps this software going) is a mistake.

I say screw it and go for a mature rating, did this stop GTA from selling? If anything making this look more adult will attract actual adults making real commercial games. Which is what is needed to get real attention to this software.

Please tgc don't turn this into a toy instead of a tool.
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This seams so strange and out of the blue, it makes no sense at all, is the ESRB doing this to model websites like turbosquid etc.? Most likely not. Shame.

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Quote: " ESRB are the ones cracking down here. "


Well, they shouldn't be! What gives them the right to start rating stuff that isn't games? Next thing they know they'll be wanting to censor forum posts with you posting your work!
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Wow. FPSC is now rated 17+ for reasons including "Intense violence" and "Partial Nudity". Excuse me?
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Quote: "Wow. FPSC is now rated 17+ for reasons including "Intense violence" and "Partial Nudity". Excuse me? "


I noticed that too. You now have to age verify to se MP9 and MP10 lol. They also have the online disclaimer as well.

In the end, I think this is likely the best possible outcome. I say "good on TGC" for taking the M rating because it should throw out the problem of additional packs/content needing to be rated. Ultimately, it shouldn't hurt their bottom line concidering that far and away, the most popular FPSC genre is horror.

I still think the ESRB shouldn't have any authority over game making software but I guess it's debatable as to what FPSC is marketed as.

I just hope that it doesn't screw with forum registration requirements, etc. There are a lot of users on here with varying ages and degrees of maturity... Maybe now we can have zombie children

Maybe they'll have to make a seperate T-rated version. Shouldn't be too hard. Just replace the stock blood decal for a dust puff like they do in MOH. I guess addons would still be an issue unless they had something in place to make them not install on underage version.

I remember reading something about the comming addition of "mature" content to GCS a while back. Is that dead now? I too would like to see a FULL article on this developing story in the next newsletter.
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its all just about money, like ok, my kids, I dont let them see sertin things.this is up to the parents.the goverment run programs like this one is all about money.thats all it stacks up to, shure kids should be protected from horror, but who is supost to protect them? us, the parents.soon we will all have a us goverment employe living in our homes to raise our kids.

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